Fool's deck

[faint orbit]

Fools can affect spectral cards, -1 hand size.

[past pebble]

What happened to spamton 1

[faint orbit]

Dead

I mean retired

[past pebble]

Imagine getting soul tho

Yikers

Sadly, soul exists

[gaunt pagoda]

-1 hand size is too punishing for the embodiment of “meet potential deck!”

[faint orbit]

Copying fool with perkeo for infinite of any spectral you get from a pack is pretty good compared to -1 size

[gaunt pagoda]

yes… because you get perkeo in every goddamn run

[faint orbit]

To be fair, thats why its not -2 or something

Also, i wouldn't say -1 hand size is that bad

[gaunt pagoda]

its already terrible as -1

it is that bad

gold stake used to be -1 handsize

everyone hated it

-1 hsize would be excusable if it was a notable upside but this is a very luck based deck

[faint orbit]

Also, soul cards are spectrals

sooo

[gaunt pagoda]

0.3% dude

[faint orbit]

still

[gaunt pagoda]

you cant just say my deck is good because you can get this specific card

its not

[past pebble]

Make it that you cant level up hands beyond level 10

[wind lion]

as i said in a hot take before, perkeo shouldn't be considered at all, it should exist outside the game's balance, nothing should change just because perkeo exists, and nothing should be good JUST because perkeo exists

[past pebble]

True

[wind lion]

same goes for most legendaries

you don't go "The boss blind is useless because of chicot"

[past pebble]

This deck is good other than the fact of perko, soul and blackhole existing, and -1 handsize being dumb

[gaunt pagoda]

TRUE

SO TRUE

sorry thats just a good ass example lmao

[past pebble]

I got an idea to handle the downside

-1 CONSUMABLE SLOT

[gaunt pagoda]

fuck no

thats just worse nebula

[gaunt pagoda]

and yes it is worse

in order for this deck to do anything at all you need to
find a good spectral (doesnt happen every run)
find a fool right after (not very likely)

[past pebble]

Minorr nerf then…

[gaunt pagoda]

to make use of nebula’s upside all uou have to do is take planet packs

[past pebble]

Wait i just got a fire idea for a decl

Brb

[vapid oar]

-1 hand size makes the earlygame insufferable which snowballs into having a horrible lategame

the upside is also worse than the effect that ghost deck has

[gaunt pagoda]

yes literally

“ohh but u can copy soul!! isnt that so op!!” that is LITERALLY WINMORE

[faint orbit]

what the hell are you talking about anymore 😭

[gaunt pagoda]

a point you brought up

that this deck is good because you can get more souls

[vapid oar]

saving a fool for an extra copy of cryptid would be a reasonable scenario but

[past pebble]

True

[vapid oar]

that's not an upside worth a black deck level downside for

[gaunt pagoda]

yes exactly

[faint orbit]

ok??? 90% of spectrals are good anyways

[past pebble]

I love black deck

[gaunt pagoda]

not 90%

[past pebble]

Hot take

[gaunt pagoda]

lmao

[gaunt pagoda]

good for you

most spectrals are pretty situational and some are rng whether they’re good or not

[faint orbit]

this entire deck is just making fool a bad perkeo in exchange dor 10 dollars and resetting until you get paintbrush early

[gaunt pagoda]

r holding is not a good philosophy to balance decks around

at all

[faint orbit]

much more balanced deck

[gaunt pagoda]

and having 0 dollars by round 2 and no jokers is horrendous

[gaunt pagoda]

this is not legitimate

shocker i know

[faint orbit]

WOOOOW

REALLY???????????

[gaunt pagoda]

yeah man

great joke

[wind lion]

btw same goes for the soul card since its a legendary by association

[gaunt pagoda]

yeah thats what im saying

plus soul is basically a wincon by itself

i guess chicot isnt really run winning but its still very good

you dont need two souls

and the idea that that somehow balances this deck out is just wrong

its like saying showman is good because he gives you a second blueprint sometimes

actually… people do say that

[wind lion]

he really badly wants to get the secret legndary jimbo

[gaunt pagoda]

lol maybe

[faint orbit]

bro i need sly joker so bad its so unfair hes a legendary

[vapid oar]

let's take a look through the ones that aren't a 0.3% chance

• Familiar: decent early on when you want gold cards and also helps scale hologram, though it loses out on usefulness later in if you're not relying on face cards

• Grim: same as familiar but it also helps set up 3 and 4oak builds

• Incantation: also same as familiar but the range of ranks and amount of created cards makes it worse

• Talisman: money gwneration similar to that of gold cards, works well with retriggers

• Aura: a potential foil could help close the gap on chips

• Wraith: sometimes worth it on ante 1, detrimental if you have more than 10$

• Sigil: inconsequential effect due to flushes falling off in blue stake and above

• Ouija: literally always a detriment outside of painted deck

• Ectoplasm: helps for stickering but the extra joker slot is usually unnecessary and you're likely doing well if you don't have anything worth selling

• Immolate: self-explanatory

• Ankh: useful in ante 1 or 2, becomes far worse when you have more than 1 good joker

• Deja Vu: red seals are decently useful with certain enhancements, though overrated

• Hex: same as ankh, except a little better because it doesn't use an extra joker slot

• Trance: blue seals are a super consistent way to scale without using joker slots

• Medium: purple seals are a great source of tarots and snowball extremely quickly with deckfixing

• Cryptid: useful for getting more of a certain strong card

so it's more like 70% of them are atleast decent past earlygame

[past pebble]

Then again, you need the fool

[vapid oar]

the effect still amounts to being worse than ghost

and ghost doesn't need a downside to balance it out

[wind lion]

in case you didnt know if you have every legendary and use a soul card you get Joker since the legendary pool is emptied

[gaunt pagoda]

might i add that fooling ankh or hex usually wouldnt be worth doing

[faint orbit]

Objection! Fool's deck buffs sigil an INSANE amount, due to it being in your inventory. This helps set up flis 5s and flush houses. Same goes for ghost deck, but this is easier to get consistantly

[gaunt pagoda]

simply because with ankh you’d destroy the copy unless it was eternal and with hex the joker would already have an edition

[prime belfry]

this deck+the manacle 🥹

[gaunt pagoda]

okay so you just have to get a fool every single round

easy

[faint orbit]

fools arent that rare to be fair

[gaunt pagoda]

its not consistent cuz sigil is random

[prime belfry]

also this doesnt really feel that good tbh

[faint orbit]

still flush

[gaunt pagoda]

they arent, but you almost never get the same tarot every single round

[wind lion]

like this would be bad even without the -1 handsize downside

[vapid oar]

changing a bunch of suits randomly is still inconsequential

[prime belfry]

cool you copy spectral cards but… why?
what are you even copying? immolate for money? thats about it and you cant thin your deck too much

[gaunt pagoda]

it would be pretty mid

[vapid oar]

flushes fall off massively past blue stake

[gaunt pagoda]

yup

[vapid oar]

they're not consistent enough to justify their slow scaling

[gaunt pagoda]

flushes are mid boy

[faint orbit]

thats why... im suggesting... this...

[gaunt pagoda]

this… does not solve anything… regarding flushes…

[prime belfry]

how does copying spectral cards help flushes???

[vapid oar]

and this is on the offchance that you happen to get fool and sigil early enough for you to not have commited to another suit already

[faint orbit]

having a SIGIL in your inventory does not help with flushes. Ah. Yes.

[prime belfry]

the problem is not you getting a flush…

[gaunt pagoda]

sure with sigil you can get one guaranteed flush per round but then what? they still have mid ass scaling, and you’d still have to draw more for the rest of your hands

and again

you dont get a fooll every single round

it never happens

[wind lion]

since the way i like to see it, you get to pick from any deck, you could have any of their sick effects, from a simple +1 hand or +1 discard to plasma's busted effect, by picking this deck, you lose out on any of these good abilities for something as situational as anaglyph

[gaunt pagoda]

and even if you do

there’s better uses for the fool

than getting a guaranteed flush one time

[faint orbit]

than just use any other spectral if it doesnt help you

[prime belfry]

only good uses I see for this are copying immolate and wraith if youre really desperate

[vapid oar]

why use it to guarrantee a mediocre hand when you could use it for extra blue or gold seals

[prime belfry]

wow its almost like you cant guarantee you get the spectral card you want

[gaunt pagoda]

you arent helping the case you made earlier

*than

wait

*then

:3

[faint orbit]

thats the point of the deck

[prime belfry]

bro

you still have to get the spectral card first

[gaunt pagoda]

so the point of the deck is something that doesnt happen

[prime belfry]

then get a fool

and by that time who knows what happened

[faint orbit]

its SUPPOSED to help with hands that arent arent constant

[wind lion]

this doesnt guarantee shit, it just makes it easier to get what you already got

[gaunt pagoda]

it doesnt

the problem with flush isnt consistency, its scaling

[gaunt pagoda]

up areow

[faint orbit]

two cryptids and a card. Flush 5 right there

[gaunt pagoda]

one time.

two cryptids, let me just summon that with the game mechanic that does that

[steady talon]

Ok wait, I have an alternate idea for the deck

[faint orbit]

The point is not to guarantee a hand, but to make it more consistant

[gaunt pagoda]

it doesnt

[vapid oar]

so it helps flushes less than checkered, marginally helps 3oak and 4oak and doesn't do much to help set of straights

[gaunt pagoda]

using 2 cryptids does not mean you’ll be drawing flush 5s very often

[vapid oar]

that's not worth the downside

[gaunt pagoda]

painted helps all of these hands better than this deck does

[faint orbit]

Fools are more common, so you can add preyyu much infinite of the card

[vapid oar]

abandoned deck already serves the pourpose of making larger hands easier due to starting with 3/4ths of the deck

[gaunt pagoda]

you cant get infinite fools

[faint orbit]

you know what i mean

[gaunt pagoda]

or “pretty much” infinite fools

and plus

you’d wanna be taking pther consumables than just fool and cryptid

[vapid oar]

i'd say you only get them like

[steady talon]

When Boss Blind is defeated, create a copy of the last used consumable card
-# (The Soul and Black Hole excluded)

(Note: If the rare spectrals haven't been discovered, they show up as ???)

[vapid oar]

once an ante

[gaunt pagoda]

thats part of winning balatro

[prime belfry]

this is better off as a joker than a whole deck imo

[gaunt pagoda]

meh

probably but i still dont like it

[vapid oar]

this would feel modded as a joker

[steady talon]

This would actually create some interesting strategy, as it does allow for spectral duplication, but you can only use it consistently if you play carefully

[gaunt pagoda]

could also just be used for 20 dollars per ante

now that sounds nice

[steady talon]

True, but you still have to manage your resources carefully

[faint orbit]

The original idea, but arcana packs always spawn and fools are always in them. These packs are 1.5x price

I do not think this is balanced, but to hell with it.