AI Art - Common

[cosmic heath]

+1 mult for every duplicate of a card you have (im bad at words)

If you have 3 ace of spades, 1 7 of clubs, and 6 stone cards, +2 mult from aces, none from clubs, and 5 from stone cards

Maybe change numbers or rarity

[vernal cape]

So, most of the time it is ice cream but better?

[spark sierra]

"AI Art"?
why is that the name?
should be a joker that only has downsides lol

[rough umbra]

ai art
+1 mult for every card copied

[eternal marsh]

name aside

hc slop

[cosmic heath]

Lemmie re explain and tweak

Redone the whole thing

[spark sierra]

mh, still nope
at the point this is becoming useful, you're so deep in the game that you should have a lot more good stuff going on

[strange goblet]

I still remeber d&dg had that "AI Generated Card" and I ended up with a funny move using it that unfortunately didn't see it go off (killed the foe before they started seeing the AI-gen cards)

[cosmic heath]

Yall should i do a minigame here

2 real ideas
1 AI
Lets see if ai can take our jobs

[eternal marsh]

hell nah

dont even bother touching clankerware

[soft scroll]

I tried having chatgpt make joker ideas a monþ ago and its first attempt was a rare conditional +5 mult so i þink itll be pretty easy to figure out which is which

[cosmic heath]

Itd be funny

I may do it

[rigid topaz]

monb

[spark sierra]

next thing you tell me is that ß is a B

[rigid topaz]

my point is that thorn looks stupid when used in english

[spark sierra]

it's just a matter of getting used to it, that's all

[rigid topaz]

i CANT

im too used to p and b

and th

[tame moss]

close enough that its not worth using tbf

[spark sierra]

yeah, because you're USED to them
you can get used to many things
thorn is one of them

[tame moss]

thorn sucks ass

[rigid topaz]

ive known them since i was a chikd

[tame moss]

no normal keyboard has it available to type

[spark sierra]

ayayay, spicy opinions here, wow

[rigid topaz]

cant really relearn it and honestly cant be assed either

th works just fine

[tame moss]

and thus even trying to use it is cumbersome

[rigid topaz]

tkaes the same amount of time to type

[spark sierra]

"can't be assed" is the only valid reason here

[tame moss]

more or you lock your ctrl v for eternity for thorn

terrible sacrifice

[rigid topaz]

okay i could theoretically relearn it but why? for the like 5 people who actually use it?

[spark sierra]

looks like that's the only reason you can come up with?

[rigid topaz]

no need on mobile

[rigid topaz]

its good enough for me man

[rough umbra]

what is this argument even about

[rigid topaz]

thorn sucks

[tame moss]

mr andrew insisting on bringing back a defunct confusing letter

[spark sierra]

people hating on something benign

[eternal marsh]

@obsidian dirge

[eternal marsh]

something that makes me have to do a double take every time

something about "þorn" just doesnt look right yk

[spark sierra]

I have no idea what you're talking about, can you explain?

[eternal marsh]

i will not

because you know exactly what im talking about

[spark sierra]

[rain fern]

Yeah, thorn is stupid and doesn't need to exist

It's always more confusing than just using th

If we're going to add new letters, let's add more vowels, because those are the most ambiguous and confusing parts of the English language

There's already plenty of consonants and we definitely don't need more

Let's start by getting rid of C (which is always confusing because it can sound like K or S) and Q (which is entirely useless because all it does is pair up with U and make the K sound)

[rough umbra]

que

[eternal marsh]

ㄲe

[formal hazel]

lowk we need a consonant for the kh sound

[spark sierra]

[rain fern]

?

[eternal marsh]

thats called x

[spark sierra]

saying something is stupid and confusing about a thing you're just literally just not used to seeing is a take of all time

[eternal marsh]

its stupid and confusing because no one uses it ✌️

if something as common as

oh i dunno

a fucking letter

[rain fern]

I'm saying that thorn is unnecessary because th isn't confusing

[eternal marsh]

isnt immediately understandable for everyone

then its a failure at its job

(communication)

[formal hazel]

what

[eternal marsh]

in every other language ever

except english

because english is stupid

[spark sierra]

another one of those "thorn is stupid because we're not used to using it" takes?

[formal hazel]

english is never beating the 5 languages in a trench coat allegations

[eternal marsh]

dont tell me you support that thing

[spark sierra]

I support the spirit of using it

[rain fern]

I never made that argument just to be clear

[spark sierra]

I'd love if english was using the thorn

[rain fern]

I'm saying that thorn doesn't need to exist because th does its job just fine

[formal hazel]

im pretty sure i made a nightmare script that makes me use as many unnecessary letters as possible lemme find it

[eternal marsh]

that "spirit" is called stubbornness and refusal to understand that its unnecessary as hell

[spark sierra]

just had to add the "almost", eh?

[formal hazel]

ƒøʉŋð ɱʎ ɔɑŋɔəɾ ſɔɾıƿŧ

[spark sierra]

lolwut?

[formal hazel]

ʎəɑħ ȝʉʎſ ŧħıſ ıſ ɔøɱƿłəŧəłʎ ƒıŋə ɑŋð ɾəɑðɑƀłə

[eternal marsh]

give me one valid reason to use it

[rain fern]

Yes, I modified my message

[formal hazel]

ŧħıſ ıſ ſø ŋøɾɱɑł

[spark sierra]

I respect people trying to make a move for a change, especially if it's something so benign, like, idk, adding pronouns to your bio

[formal hazel]

ok yeah never again

[eternal marsh]

at least pronouns in bio dont get in the way of communication

[rain fern]

Nothing in English is "perfect" because it's a confusing language, but th is an example of a consonant pair that does fine

[eternal marsh]

horrid analogy btw

[formal hazel]

also have þe þorn script þat automatically turns all þ in my typing to þ

[spark sierra]

in german we use "ae" sometimes instead of "ä"
"ae" does the job as well, but man am I glad we got ä, ö and ü

[eternal marsh]

what does german have to do with jack shit

[rough umbra]

we're really still on this?

[spark sierra]

it's not a good one, I know, but the first that came to mind

[eternal marsh]

its an irrelevant one

[spark sierra]

are you from the US?

[eternal marsh]

unfortunately i am but we arent talking about fucking german

we're talking about the dumpster fire thats english

[spark sierra]

we're talking about language

[eternal marsh]

...

what?

you arent worth wasting my time on

[spark sierra]

and the thorn comes from the nordic languages that fused with the english at a certain time

languages are cross connected, especially when it comes to letters, the way things are spelled etc

[rough umbra]

civil discussion

[spark sierra]

oh wow, got blocked for talking about language

wild

[formal hazel]

þis script is so stupid lmfao, þe þiry þree balatro players in þe suggestions channel þought þoroughly about þe consideration of þ

[eternal marsh]

exactly

[rain fern]

If we're really going to replace a consonant pair with its own letter, why not ch instead? Sometimes it makes its own sound (chair, child, chamber), sometimes it literally just makes the K sound (chroma, chasm, ochre), and sometimes it makes the SH sound somehow (chute, machine)

[eternal marsh]

its stupid

its clunky

its unnecessary

[rain fern]

Th pretty much always makes the th sound except for very specific scenarios

[spark sierra]

that's more like it!
Yes! Replace ch as well!

[eternal marsh]

we dont need to make new letters at all if meaning is conveyed

itd make phonetics easier but communication harder

[formal hazel]

þe issue is meaning aint always conveyed

not everyone has english as a first language

[eternal marsh]

meaning is conveyed even less when using thorn

[spark sierra]

meaning is conveyed through learning

[rain fern]

Ok, I'm not arguing against making new letters, I think the English language should absolutely be made easier to understand

[formal hazel]

im more so specifically talkin about ch rn

[eternal marsh]

yeah english isnt exactly my first language either

[spark sierra]

careful, you might get blocked lol

[eternal marsh]

it should for sure

[rain fern]

It's just that th is a stupid consonant pair to replace

[eternal marsh]

but introducing sudden changes isnt how to do it

like whole ass new letters

[rough umbra]

the biggest issue is that it looks similar to both p and b

[eternal marsh]

this exactly

[spark sierra]

it has been done by many cultures all throughout history tho

[rough umbra]

it would be better if it was more distinct

[formal hazel]

i never saw the word ochre before btw this is the first time i see this, i woulda pronounced it oshre if it wasnt next to examples like chasm and chroma, oh i also used to spell chroma and chasm as shroma and shasm too

[rain fern]

This also, yeah

[eternal marsh]

"þorn"

imagine someone whos never heard of or seen thorn before

reading that

[spark sierra]

distinction of letter design is also subject to becoming used to it

[rough umbra]

?

[spark sierra]

like I and l (capital i and lower cas L)

[rough umbra]

that is an issue with most fonts

[spark sierra]

yep

[rain fern]

Sure, but if you want to integrate it into language, the design should be distinct enough at first that readers aren't confused

[formal hazel]

lowk had to zoom in to make sure it was different

[rough umbra]

but the position of the letter should be enough to tell you what letter it is

[eternal marsh]

unless its a word where more than one could apply, in the case of thorn

[spark sierra]

I'm not saying the letter is perfect, but it's definitely subject to a learning curve

[eternal marsh]

"to the store"
"to þe store"

you have to consider this from the perspective of people who literally have never seen this letter before

"to be store? to pe store? what the fuck are you on about?"

[rough umbra]

rhythm game boss song titles:

[formal hazel]

throws me off guard a bit when i see it outside this place but since being in these evil suggestion forms has conditioned me to accept it from some people i can read it pretty normally

[rain fern]

My opinion is that in cases where a letter or consonant group can make multiple sounds and there's no consistent rule to determine which sound it makes, then it makes sense to create a new letter. That's why I think splitting ch makes sense, but that thorn is unnecessary

[eternal marsh]

and if you have to explain that it replaces "th" every time you meet someone new

[spark sierra]

idk, I have dabbed into learning mandarin and the distinction between þ, p and b sounds silly to me tbh

[eternal marsh]

unfortunately this is the case

[eternal marsh]

sure

[eternal marsh]

...then thats a problem

[spark sierra]

"problem", as with anything new that has to be learned

[rain fern]

I think it would be much easier to integrate new letters if they evolved somewhat naturally rather than assigning what most English speaks would consider an arbitrary symbol

Like for example, W evolved literally from the merging of 2 Vs

[eternal marsh]

this makes sense

but if you really think about it all letters are arbitrary symbols

[rain fern]

Like here's an example of what I mean

[eternal marsh]

also the dollar sign

[rough umbra]

th being a crossed u would be odd

[formal hazel]

also preferably should be doable in one stroke

[rain fern]

Sure, it would be odd if you jumped straight from step 1 to 4, but if you go through sequentially, it feels more natural

[rain fern]

One stroke is certainly preferable, but there are plenty of English letters that can't be written in one stroke

[formal hazel]

yeah its like, aim for it if its possible so its easy to write out in paper

thats why i like that ch h looking thing

[spark sierra]

naturally evolving letters are a thing of the past though, mostly.
Because back then people would write per hand and copy stuff that way, translation was not a universal thing that followed guidelines and many other things that resulted in things changing gradually over many years

nowadays there's countries that just change things, through a reform or such things, and it works

I'm not saying thorn is the perfect solution for a jarring problem. But if it was part of a bigger reform, it has potential to make english easier for readers and writers

that's a point I was trying to make when I brought german in.
another example is how china changed their whole fucking written language. And people are just used to the new symbols now (traditional vs simplified chinese)

[formal hazel]

evolving letters a lot harder to do over text i think that much is obvious though

[spark sierra]

it just wont happen is my take on that.
Because when we type, all the letters are pre-formed and mixing letters will not happen

[obsidian dirge]

can't be assed you say

[rain fern]

To be honest, I'm not sure the alphabet will ever be able to change for a long time since Unicode standards exist

[zinc kraken]

the issue with inserting the thorn this way is that it impedes communication

the entire point of language is communication. if your change is unnecessary and temporarily impedes communication, it will never be adopted.

umlauts came to be because people needed to save paper, so they developed shorthands by writing e on top of other vowels, which over time simplified down to two dots iirc

in other words, they were necessary

but the thorn is absolutely not necessary

trying to force it in is a fool's errand

[rain fern]

Yeah, I guess you could say it's a 's errand

But yeah, I totally agree