#Opening Act - $5 Rare

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gentle ferry
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Guaranteed to draw a [most played hand] on the first hand of round

This won't guarantee the rank of the hand pulled, just that it will be of the hand type most played. It will not draw the impossible, though (such as drawing a full house of Jacks and Kings on Abandoned deck)

rough arrow
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what if the most played hand is a 5oak but there isnt 5 of every rank bc i destroyed one in shop

gentle ferry
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Then the joker just goes nope when first hand drawn

alpine prism
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uhh

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this can be solved by making it most played hand of the round

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is there even a joker that uses your most played hand across all runs

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anyways i like the idea if its the most played hand of the run

gentle ferry
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It resets when you play your most played hand

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Oh, across runs? No

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And this joker wouldn't either

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It's implied that no joker/card/Boss effect is across runs

alpine prism
gentle ferry
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Just the first thing I could think of for "the impossible"

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Like, if you only had 2 of each rank in your deck and your most played hand type this run was a three of a kind, it wouldn't magically make a 3rd copy of a rank

abstract tinsel
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But that isnt a joker

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Oh wait you said across all runs

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Nvm

alpine prism
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i like this

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maybe ill try figuring out how to mod it lol

gentle ferry
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it wont

alpine prism
gentle ferry
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it won't materialize a random card

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Just based on what's already in your deck

alpine prism
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yeah ik

gentle ferry
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oh wait, I misinterpreted your post

alpine prism
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@gentle ferry does this have any blueprint compatibility to be taken in mind or is it unduplicatable

stone arch
alpine prism
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but for stuff like flushes and shortcutless straights

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it would exceed normal hand size limit

stone arch
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yeah

alpine prism
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im probably gonna make it like discard x amount of cards then like find a way to make it draw random cards that create the desired hand (where x is the most played hand's required card number)

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lmfao what if the most played hand is a high card

stone arch
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it could be reworked to guarantee something like a straight or flushes after your first discard if you have at least 40% of the required cards to make said hand

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like you discard some cards but leave 2 diamonds in hope for a flush and opening act guarantees that a diamond flush will be drawn

alpine prism
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i think thats way harder to make mr_bones

stone arch
gentle ferry
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No compatibility

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With copying

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I was thinking the code works like this:

  1. Shuffle the deck normally
  2. Determine the most played hand type (for the rest of this example, assume it is a Straight)
  3. Select the first card at the top of the deck (assume it's an 8)
  4. parse the rest of the deck and find the cards compatible with the most played hand (say up next is a Jack, then a 10, a 9, and finally a 7)
  5. Reorganize those 5 cards to be at the top of the deck
  6. Deal those cards, then draw from the deck as normal
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@umbral river why don't you like this?

odd canopy
alpine prism
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to get that joker of itself is luck

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like oops all sixes is as big of a luck removing example as it could get

frosty jetty
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Completely eliminates the point of deckfixing and discards

alpine prism
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jokers of themselves can be forms of deckfixing

frosty jetty
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Jokers help deckfix, but don't ever go all the way

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You always supplement with tarots and whatnot

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This just lets you bypass the core gameplay of making sure you can draw the hand you need

alpine prism
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its not the exact hand btw its the poker hand

frosty jetty
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Most builds only need the poker hand

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or you'll have built so that that is the only possible poker hand

alpine prism
frosty jetty
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That's a High Card build, which this Joker doesn't apply to

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You pick this Joker up when you've already semi-built to a specific hand type

alpine prism
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you get the point im trying to make tho, exact cards do matter for seals, enhancements and whatnot

frosty jetty
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But Joker scoring, which the builds this Joker is for tend to use, tends to only care about things like ranks and suits--which, by the time you'd pick up this Joker, you've built your deck so that the most likely--or for 5oak/flush 5, possibly only--possible hand is the one that you want

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Honestly this Joker is kinda winmore

robust nebula
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i dont like the "gurrantees draw of hand" joker ideas entirely because isnt deckfixing and stuff like shortcut and four fingers how you improve consistency? not just getting it handed for free

frosty jetty
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You pick it up when you've deckfixed to the point that it's not possible to make your most played hand out of cards you don't like (Which you probably already did for a 5oak/flush five build), and this takes you over the edge by letting you draw it immediately and not worry about getting rid of the rest of the cards

robust nebula
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also this being for most played hand means this cant really pivot which i find is boring

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at least a bit

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actually jokers rhat fuck with draws in general feel weird

frosty jetty
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fucking with draws feels modded tbh

robust nebula
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since no vanilla joker does that

frosty jetty
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i'm gonna ⚙️ it but i'm keeping the nope because ⚙️ implies that it'd be good in a mod

robust nebula
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and the most id see a vanilla joker do is push 2 aces to the front as like a cheaters sleave or something

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not something this widely applicable

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thats another issue with this actually

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it just makes what you already played most easier to play

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which is winmore or stupid

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or both

gentle ferry
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This only works once for the opening draw and it doesn't guarantee ranks

odd canopy
gentle ferry
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Fibonacci and hack?

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Ride the bus?

odd canopy
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paredolia?

gentle ferry
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Those are builds that get use out of specific ranks

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this joker isn't going to hand you the key to one-shot every single blind

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you'll have to make this work with deckfixes, tarots, and other jokers

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this just means you aren't going to be up shits creek without a paddle

frosty jetty
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And if either of those are your most played hand, unless you've made some atrocious deckfixing decisions, the rank is guaranteed

forest oriole
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Also, what if your most played hand type is a 5 card hand and your hand size is less than 5

alpine prism
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well my attempts in modding this are going very well so far

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just a tiny quirk i noticed is that a hand type is technically capable of drawing another hand type by sheer luck

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a straight or a flush could draw a straight flush by accident lmao

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same thing with 5oak and flush five, or full house and flush house

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well i havent seen one of those happen yet but its possible in theory

crude oxide
alpine prism
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may not be the most balanced but i think its funny and i like it so i made it

alpine prism
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@gentle ferry

gentle ferry
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Do try fixing it

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If I have a straight build and I have Straights at Lvl. 12 but Straight Flushes at Lvl. 2 I would prefer getting a "worse" hand

alpine prism
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gotta make anti-flush checks then to make sure its not "upgraded" by stupid luck

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also i must mention

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this does NOT take into account whether or not four fingers or shortcut is present

gentle ferry
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Probably easier to ignore them

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Actually, could I see your code?

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my limited programming experience is in Java so I might not immediately get it but I've also heard Lua is human-friendly

alpine prism
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its dogshit but sure

alpine prism
gentle ferry
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OK nevermind I have no idea how Lua works

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So when does that "rigged" message pop up?

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When the joker can't get you your most played hand?

alpine prism
gentle ferry
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I see

alpine prism
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since it "rigs" the deck to give you the hand you want

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although right now it just discards then draws as i have no idea how to change the order of which decks draw from

gentle ferry
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Really? I would've thought the cards in your deck would be an array or something you can pull from

alpine prism
alpine prism
alpine prism
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well this is basically ready now except for one thing

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@gentle ferry our joker is kinda artless

ashen pewter
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please jimbo i need this

gentle ferry
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I imagine the art would be jimbo playing a rock guitar or something

knotty monolith
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"but guys, this doesn't work in pair build" ahh joker, apart from that, I gotta say it's not that bad, after considering the pros and cons I think I like this joker

gentle ferry
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Given that @alpine prism was kind enough to make this a real mod so it can be field-tested

alpine prism
alpine prism
spring solar
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If 4oak is your most played hand already then you don’t need a joker to get you a single 4oak

alpine prism
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from my testing it just makes getting big hands consistently easier

alpine prism
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i got 4 more aces of hearts meaning i could do a flushfive and then i just siffled through until i got them enough then never had to worry about discarding several times for it and sometimes not getting it at all

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but to be fair i did do my run around it, i never let a hand get more than like 4 plays i had to spread it out to make the flush five easier to get

alpine prism
gentle ferry
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hell yeah

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And if I wanted to test this out, I just gotta download a file from your github

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?

alpine prism
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hold on

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gotta actually update it

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so right

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i forgot to mention

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you know how i said this discards then draws

gentle ferry
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Yeah?

alpine prism
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well it turns out to properly rig the deck, it cant be done due to an issue in SMODS itself, an issue recently fixed but unreleased, so i made 2 versions of the joker, and to use the version that rigs the deck instead of discard-to-draw you gotta go to smods/main and download that dev versopm

gentle ferry
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Good to know