add roguelike elements to balatro (edit: mom I'm famous)

[dense olive]

I really like balatro, but I think that it needs to have some roguelike elements. The concept of balatro would work really well as a roguelike, and its a shame that that potential has not been reached. Maybe a seperate gamemode that is a roguelike? Or a challenge within the game structured as a roguelike? Thank you @local thunjk

[oak mango]

cant tell if this is satire or they genuinely dont know

[dense olive]

wdym

[oak mango]

balatro IS a roguelike

[dense olive]

well hold on

elden ring neithreign is a roguelike

how is balatro like neithgraieng

[oak mango]

elden ring is mostly a souls-like game, where difficulty and sotrytelling is a big factor

[rich hemlock]

sheet yourself?

[dense olive]

no im talking about night reign

its like a half sequel that came out not long ago

and its a roguelike

unlike balatro

[dense olive]

huih

[rich hemlock]

i refuse to believe someone genuinely doesnt get that roguelikes are run based gameplay that resets on death

[oak mango]

well how is balatro not a rogue like when it takes most factors that roguelikes take

[rich hemlock]

thats what roguelikes and balatro by extension are

[oak mango]

permadeath, upgrades, casual

[rich hemlock]

permadeath run based and randomly generated are what id classify as a roguelike and balatro has all 3

[dense olive]

yes like nighrrein

how does balatro have any of these elements

it is not perma death

you get upgrades (more card unlocks and new stakes)

its a progression

[oak mango]

it is?

[tawny stirrup]

rougelikes can have meta-progression and unlocks

some of the best rougelikes i played do

[rich hemlock]

it is since when a run ends you dont get to keep going

do you think roguelike means rhe file gets wiped on death?

[dense olive]

pleasen dont say that ive 100%ed all souls games

[oak mango]

im saying it like it is. not like i didnt know

[tawny stirrup]

when you lose a run you can't redo it

[dense olive]

no bc seeds

[tawny stirrup]

unless you copy the seed

[dense olive]

so its not permanent

[rich hemlock]

seeds are optional and disable unlocks

[dense olive]

what roguelikes do that

[oak mango]

❓

[dense olive]

theres none

[oak mango]

very wrong take

[dense olive]

no it isnt

[rich hemlock]

are you the type of person who genuinely differentiates between lite and like

[dense olive]

when you die in mario you cant redo it

[tawny stirrup]

megabonk and vampire survivors but now i think we are starting to confuse rougelike and rougelite

[dense olive]

is maro a soulslike

iu mean roguelike

[oak mango]

i dont even know the difference myself so i just group them together

[dense olive]

still

[rich hemlock]

i think the difference is stupid and just say roguelike

[tawny stirrup]

amma be honest idk the difference between rougelike and rougelite i group both of them together and i like both

[dense olive]

welpyou arent giving any examples

[kindred nova]

start a new save file every time you play

[dense olive]

no what is lite

[tawny stirrup]

brother i gave 2

[kindred nova]

hope this helps

[tawny stirrup]

^^

alsoooo

built in unlock all button

[dense olive]

i dont want to do that

thatll reset my progress

[dense olive]

where

[kindred nova]

kick rocks ig

[dense olive]

oh i see

[rich hemlock]

the evil roguelike tag on the steam page

[tawny stirrup]

you can have multiple save files

[dense olive]

bro im trying to make a suggestion tthat will make the game better chilll

[tawny stirrup]

in the menu click on the icon on the bottom left-ish that says P1 (or P2/P3)

[dense olive]

thats so inaccurate wtf

its not a roguelike LNAO

[oak mango]

I smell bait

❤️‍🩹

[dense olive]

im not baiting

i want to make the game better

sorry

[tawny stirrup]

hot take i dont think the unlocks are a major part of balatro's gameplay

[dense olive]

regardless it makes it not a roguelike

[kindred nova]

I think we should make the game worse by removing the shop

[dense olive]

it needs roguelike elements

[tawny stirrup]

since like, you can just skip all of unlocking with an option the game gives you

[dense olive]

think elden ring nightreign

[oak mango]

true

[rich hemlock]

if we wanna use roguelike examples im not using the aaa game ngl.

lets think spelunky

[oak mango]

elden ring neightreign is 90% souls-like why are you trying to use it as an examle for a roguelike

[dense olive]

fromsoft is NOT triple a game studio

[dense olive]

bro have you played this game

it is souslike and roguelike

[rich hemlock]

spelunky is a randomly generated run based platformer with each death sending you to the start

[dense olive]

yes exactly elden ring night reign is the same

[rich hemlock]

balatro is a poker based game with randomly generated runs with each death sending you to the start

[dense olive]

exactly and its not a roguelike

it needs roguelike elements

[tawny stirrup]

at first i did a few unlocks, made a P2 with unlock all option just to try out some stuff, but ended up sticking to it more than my P1 with unlock progression because i just prefer having the options to make some builds without going through a long while of unlocks for stuff like getting each deck to gold stake so i can even attempt those runs

[oak mango]

now that i think of it, minecraft hardcore is technically a roguelite

[rich hemlock]

a lot of modern roguelikes have unlocks for more options to gradually ease the player into the mechanics but thats like standard

[rich hemlock]

is it not a roguelike because its based on poker and not an action genre

[tawny stirrup]

idk cuz i feel like a major part of every rougelike/rougelite/rougewhatever is that every run has to end eventually

[oak mango]

true

[tawny stirrup]

even endless runs in rougelikes/lites have to end

[rich hemlock]

because if thats your reason thats kinda dumb

[oak mango]

it does take most of the category though

[dense olive]

yeah sort of + it just doenst have the markers that make a game a roguelike

[rich hemlock]

what are those markers?

[dense olive]

i doint know

[rich hemlock]

like genuinely theyre permadeath and a randomly generated run each time

thats all a roguelike needs to be a roguelike

[dense olive]

wellll looks im sort of in a bind

[rich hemlock]

balatro has both

[dense olive]

je ne sais pas

i guess i see your poiunt

but theres not perma death

and seeds make it not randomly generated

like mario is as randomly generated

power ups and stuff

[oak mango]

so what youre saying is its not permadeath because you can replay the seed?

[dense olive]

yeah

exactly

[rich hemlock]

the main way of playing balatro is random runs

[dense olive]

like if you die you can try again

[dense olive]

no

[abstract quest]

what is this

[rich hemlock]

seeds are an extra option without unlocks

[oak mango]

he uses a static game as an exmaple

[abstract quest]

😭

[dense olive]

read the suggestion maybe

[tawny stirrup]

i feel like a ton of rougelikes have seeds tho, seeds are a main part of many games

[rich hemlock]

balatro isnt a roguelike because you can enter seeds

[dense olive]

wym

[abstract quest]

im reading bait

[rich hemlock]

wish i was kidding

[tawny stirrup]

slay the spire my goat

[abstract quest]

?????

[dense olive]

yes bro that is not a hot take

[abstract quest]

its an objectively incorrect take

but ok

[dense olive]

now that is a real rogue like

[dense olive]

no what

[oak mango]

Thats what were trying to tell him but...

[rich hemlock]

you can also input seeds in spire tho

[dense olive]

youre just not engaging with the conversation

[dense olive]

no you cant what

[abstract quest]

[dense olive]

wait what

[tawny stirrup]

tf does slay the spire do different, it has seeds, it is mainly around deck building and playing cards, it has unlocks, and every run ends in permadeath

[kindred nova]

This is a psyop made by

[dense olive]

can you?

no

[tawny stirrup]

yeah you can enter seeds

[abstract quest]

if this isnt bait id be genuinely surprised

[oak mango]

social experiment by the mods

[dense olive]

are you being serious

[abstract quest]

true

[dense olive]

i did not know htat

okay i guess its not a roguelike

[abstract quest]

so now its suddenly not a real roguelike

what

💀

[dense olive]

yeah

cuase i learned new info

my opinon changed

what

[abstract quest]

and you say this with a straight face

[dense olive]

yeah?

bro what

[abstract quest]

lmao ok

[rich hemlock]

half of all roguelikes include seeds as stuff you can use

[tawny stirrup]

some of my favourite runs were on funny bugged-ish seeds with goofy fucked up rng, in both balatro and sts

[rich hemlock]

bgw

[dense olive]

no bro

elden ring neight ren

[oak mango]

this a social experiment i cant imagine this 😭

[dense olive]

it does not havfe seeds

[abstract quest]

psyop

just block them

[tawny stirrup]

also over all, if you DONT like seeds, DONT use seeds, very simple concept

[abstract quest]

this is a psyop

[dense olive]

yeah thats cool and all and a good feature but not roguelike

im asking for roguelike elements

[abstract quest]

localthunk alt designed to ragebait people

[dense olive]

sure but i need roguelike lements

[tawny stirrup]

name a few

[dense olive]

bro please sybau im trying to engage in conversation

[dense olive]

bro idk thats the devs job

[tawny stirrup]

perhaps we are blind and op is actually cooking with a fire id- nvm

[abstract quest]

what did they say

[tawny stirrup]

bro doesnt even know what he wants

[dense olive]

LMAO bro im being serious though

i just like roguleikes

i dont see an issue

[rich hemlock]

every roguelikes runs on seeds btw. you cant generate content without a magic number to toss into background math

[tawny stirrup]

i was waiting for him to name like a rougelike element because thats the whole point of the suggestion, to add a few, i thought just MAYBE he had a fire rougelike-ish idea to suggest just MAYBE i tried the benefit of the doubt and he went "idk thats the devs job"

[abstract quest]

LMAO WHAT

[dense olive]

well ai

[abstract quest]

thats like saying

[dense olive]

well yeah because it is

im not local thunk

[abstract quest]

"add more content"
"what content?"
"idk thats the devs job"

[dense olive]

i dont control the game

[tawny stirrup]

bro's suggestion is to tell the dev to make an update

not what to add tho, not what to update, he justs wantin something

[dense olive]

a roguelike update*

[abstract quest]

i have a gif for this but i cant send gifs

[dense olive]

add roguelike elements

[abstract quest]

its someone saying "suggestion: fix bugs" in a suggestion channel

[dense olive]

simple as that

[rich hemlock]

running a bunch of math is far nicer on your pcs existence than running ai. and ai only became a thing a couple years ago. how come roguelikes came out way before that

[dense olive]

then there are no true roguelike before ai

definitionally

seeds make it not a roguleike

therefore there are no roguelikes without ai

[abstract quest]

500 blocked messages holy yap

[rich hemlock]

the only true roguelike is rogue everyone. everything else is simply a false prophet

[tawny stirrup]

does he know even AI has seeds technically

[abstract quest]

dont tell me that this mf said roguelikes need ai

[dense olive]

does it??

id ont htink so

[tawny stirrup]

computers can not do randomness at all

not true randomness

[dense olive]

chaos theory

[rich hemlock]

any input data is a seed for ai

[dense olive]

have you ever heard of chaos theory

[rich hemlock]

ANY

[rich hemlock]

he did

[dense olive]

according to chaos theory, true randomness does exist

[abstract quest]

can yall relay their messages back to me i dont read blocked messages

[dense olive]

it is literally the formula for randomness

[abstract quest]

pfft

thats stupid

[tawny stirrup]

not something computers can do

[dense olive]

therefore ai can tap into that

[dense olive]

bro you loiterawlly can on desmos

ill send you a ss

[tawny stirrup]

seeded still

ok time to explain to a 9 year old what psuedo rng is

so basically

computers can't simply make something up

they require SOME input

the can not make an output without an input

"seeds" or seemingly random things are given to it to simulate randomness

for example and most commonly

your system's time in milliseconds

[tawny stirrup]

because since time always moves it can never be the same twice

but it has a pattern

[dense olive]

chaos theory

[oak mango]

How does this correlate to rng

[dense olive]

simple as that

[dense olive]

its random

[tawny stirrup]

but its not truly random as i said

[abstract quest]

is this guy saying that computers are actually random

[tawny stirrup]

it uses some bits of data that is never the same to pretend to be

[dense olive]

sin(4x)+cos(3x)+tan(25x)(sin(x))

[abstract quest]

💔

rng is seeded

[oak mango]

yes. ❤️‍🩹

[abstract quest]

by definition

[oak mango]

pure random literally CANNOT exist

[abstract quest]

mf talking about some shit he doesnt even understand like an expert

[rich hemlock]

every random thing on a pc either uses date and time to randomise or a seed like roguelikes have. and that seed generates from....date and time

[dense olive]

clearly you guys did NOT take precalc, it is 100% possibloe

local thunk could totally incorporate it

hes just choosing not ot

he made a fantastic game with balatro, hes like a genius

he should just inorporate roguleike features

[oak mango]

I dont think YOU took precalc

[dense olive]

it would make his game soo much better

[abstract quest]

ad hominem?

[tawny stirrup]

trng or true randomness, in most cases is still not random but is more random than normal random, aka, using things like specific radiation readings because those are almost impossible to predict unlike system time, but still, radiation and everything had to come from somewhere, and while more random, is still not pure random

[oak mango]

ur right ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich hemlock]

hey go learn computer programming and tell me how pc randomises numbers

[oak mango]

my bad

[rich hemlock]

thanks

[abstract quest]

also what the fuck does precalc have to do with

programming

like basic programming

[dense olive]

thats not my job, its what the devs should do

[abstract quest]

even i know this shit and i wouldnt consider myself well versed in programming

[rich hemlock]

and its so clearly not bait

[dense olive]

the burden of proof lies on them,

[abstract quest]

computers need a seed to do rng

[dense olive]

no they do not bro

chaos theory

[tawny stirrup]

i can explain that rq since why not, the MOST BASICS OF COMPUTER SCIENCE: logic gates, and of the main things computers calculate stuff, most notably, it takes an input, and an output

[abstract quest]

ofc not

it would never be bait

bait? in the suggestions channel? impossible

[rich hemlock]

if its bait then well done but claim your damn prize already

[dense olive]

yes sure and chaos theory makes those outpust random

input-> random output

[abstract quest]

yeah its dragging too long

[rich hemlock]

unpredictable and truely random are different

[dense olive]

deadass alyssa stop baitingt

[dense olive]

legit how

[rich hemlock]

you cant predict your next balarro seed when you hit new run so it might as well be random

[dense olive]

if theres no way to trace the input to the output how can it be not random

[abstract quest]

confidently incorrect people are the most annoying

[dense olive]

but you can because of seeds

[tawny stirrup]

for example, AND gate, takes usually 2 or more inputs to make an output, assuming there are 2 inputs, and inputs being the bits, aka 0s and 1s, if you pass in 0 and 1, it would return 0, because AND returns 1 only if both inputs are 1, if both inputs are indeed, 1 and 1, then it returns 1

[rich hemlock]

AFTER THE RUN ENDS

[tawny stirrup]

but WHAT are bits?

bits are 1s and 0s

which represent a true or false state for whether or not electricity is present

[dense olive]

sure but if you factor in chaostheory

[dense olive]

still though

its not random because of the seeds

its predictable

if you know the seed you know the output

[oak mango]

you cant see the seed when you start an unseeded run

what is this argument

[dense olive]

therefore input -> output (not input -> random output)

[dense olive]

yeah obviously because its unseeded

but if you play seeded

[tawny stirrup]

0 being lack of electrons, 1 being electrons are present, and notice how that all these gates, and all the components of computers, rely on there being an input that determines an output, that if it lacked an input, would have a static output (always 1 or always 0)

[oak mango]

well of course you can predict what would happen if it was just a seeded run

[dense olive]

have you even taken chemistry bro

i got a 5 on the ap chem exam ik what im talkig about

trust me electrons are not that simple

thers an electron cloud

[tawny stirrup]

im paraphrasing for simplicity's sakes

[dense olive]

yes exactly, meaning its not a seeded run

i mean roguliekje*

roguelike*

its not a roguelike

[tawny stirrup]

that is why its physically impossible for computers to generate true randomness, as they can't calculate an output with no input unless that output is absolutely constant

[dense olive]

ahhh i seee

okay

[oak mango]

then just dont play a seeded run

then you cant predict what would happen

[dense olive]

but once again, if you factor in chaos theory, this becomes not true

[tawny stirrup]

see, there is some minor truth to it

[dense olive]

but you can because the game generates only based on seeds

[tawny stirrup]

unfortunately

chaos is chaotic

[dense olive]

not ai

[tawny stirrup]

you properly heard of the phenomenon where cosmic rays flip a bit

that CAN happen

but like

you cant control that

[dense olive]

yes exactly

with ai you can

i swear

[oak mango]

HOW would you reverse find a seed from the start of a run

[dense olive]

plug it into the formula that localthunk

posted

its like solving for x

x being the sead

[tawny stirrup]

how the fuck do you force the sun to send a cosmic ray to target the computers of every one who plays your game on a very precise little bit of of the trillions in their pcs

[dense olive]

did you even take algebra

[oak mango]

youre argument is taht it isnt a rogue like because it isnt perfectly random

any computer rogue like isnt a rogue like by your definition then

[dense olive]

yes

[tawny stirrup]

i agree with this mf on ONE thing

[dense olive]

no because ai, woirking in tandem with cahos theory, makesw this false

[tawny stirrup]

does bro even know how AIs work

because if we are speaking properly here, true AI doesnt exist yet

[dense olive]

yes it does have you taled too chat gpt 5

[oak mango]

hes asking for something that physically cannot exist yet

just so he can rest easy pl;aying a computer game

[dense olive]

yes it can and it does|

seriously, el

]

[oak mango]

because the randomness was just too predictable one day

[dense olive]

elden ring night rein

it

[tawny stirrup]

thats not a true AI, thats a LLM, aka a large language model

[dense olive]

it uses chaos theory combined with ai to create true rndomness

unlike balatro

[oak mango]

blud

[tawny stirrup]

fromsoft did NOT do allat twin

[oak mango]

its balatro

[rich hemlock]

large language models are just a pile of math and data

[dense olive]

have you even listened to any interviews with miyazaki

that dude is a genius

he 100% did that

[dense olive]

yeah thats all video games are

[rich hemlock]

genius enough to break the laws of physics?

[wind niche]

ai isnt random
chaos theory =/= complex rng

[dense olive]

he didnt break anything, chaos theory is physics

[oak mango]

miyazaki can technically create pure random which DOES NOT EXIST

[dense olive]

yes it does exist

again, chaos theory bro

plus the cosmicrays from the sun

which ik youve heard about

[wind niche]

only source of true randomness is quantum mechanics
yeah lets go ahead and add a quantum computer thats still indev to balatro

[dense olive]

cause you also mentioned it

[dense olive]

im being serious yes

that would make the game so much betgter

roguelike elements

[oak mango]

asking for something that does not exist yet to be in a $10.99 mobile game

hes a roguelike purist

[dense olive]

that is NOT a mobile game

[wind niche]

i mean
it only costs a couple thousand dollars! how bad could that be

[dense olive]

its on steam, chud

[oak mango]

Balatro is on mobile too

[wind niche]

yeah its also on app stores :3

[dense olive]

i thought local thunk looved his game

[oak mango]

How do you not know this

[dense olive]

regardless

[oak mango]

regardless what

what then once you achieve pure randomness?

[dense olive]

regardless its not a mobile game

[dense olive]

you incorporate that into balatro

to create a roguelike elements

like nightreign

the technology exists

the processing exisst

[wind niche]

well once that happens the entire games seed generation system breaks and high level gameplay is fundamentally ruined

[dense olive]

the coding exists

they can do it

[oak mango]

nightrein DOES NOT HAVE THAT PROCESSING

[dense olive]

thats not true

[dense olive]

bro yes it does

have you played night reign

or watched a miyazaki interview

he ise seriously a genius

[oak mango]

TAS rng manipulation turns to dust 💔

[dense olive]

idk what tas means

can you explain that to me

[oak mango]

😟

[wind niche]

course it exists
the question is do we want that in balatro and the answer is no
minecraft isnt true random but players havent run out of stuff to do in 16 years

[dense olive]

yeah and minecraft isnt a roguelike

theyre 2 different games

thats comparing apples to oranges

[tawny stirrup]

more infodumping
Ai, aka, Artificial intelligence, does not exist, because there is no actual thinking happening in chatgpt or any other "AI"
these are called, and refer to themselves as LLMs, aka large language model, what an LLM does is just predict the next word
you know gboard, aka that google keyboard on your phone, and how it has those 3 little options that try to guess your next word based on what you've wrote on the past, thats what an LLM is to almost a tee, but instead of it's "context" being limited to like your past like 1000 messages, chatgpt and these models like it, have almost the entire internet's data on there, which is why they seem "smart"

[dense olive]

making balatro true randomness would change the game in such a good way

[oak mango]

I think theres a video that goes into the maths on how to 100% minecraft on every seed on every version doing everything possible. the universe legitimately would not exist by the time they eve got close with the first seed

[wind niche]

it uses predetermined rng seeds
which is what you made this discussion about

[tawny stirrup]

i saw that video too

[dense olive]

and since chaos theory exists, you can manipulate these llms to make true randomness

its basic computer programming when you get down to it truly

[tawny stirrup]

elaborate

also

also

also

chaos THEORY

[wind niche]

wtf
chaos theory is about apparent randomness in chaotic systems

[tawny stirrup]

its a THEORY

[rich hemlock]

ok this conversation is going nowhere i suggest everyone just leave honestly

[dense olive]

yeah me 2

[tawny stirrup]

not PROVEN FACT

[wind niche]

chaos theory does not create true randomness

[oak mango]

I was about to say this 20 minutes ago

[dense olive]

balatro is chaotic

and its a system

[oak mango]

But he always had something else

[dense olive]

well the pythagoream theorem is a theory but its real too

[oak mango]

❤️‍🩹

[dense olive]

yeah my points are countering yours becase im right and you cant accept it bruh

[dense olive]

yeah like chaos theory

[tawny stirrup]

theorem.

[oak mango]

theorem = theory

we cant be serious

this is bait

[wind niche]

im sorry
youre saying you can use chaos theory, which is about the apparent randomness in chaotic systems, to make a chaotic system random

[dense olive]

no what

[tawny stirrup]

theorem is a theory that has been proven true

a theory is yet to be proven

[dense olive]

yes, i dont seee whats crazy about that

[dense olive]

theory of relativity

are you saying einstein was wrong

theory of evolution

are you denying evolution

[wind niche]

um
well i definitely do
because chaos theory doesnt create randomness it studies apparent randomness in deterministic chaos

and you wanna use that to make a chaotic system truly random

[tawny stirrup]

im saying my ass and no one else's ass has been near a black hole for long enough to experience proper time dialation

[oak mango]

i think double pendulums fall under waht the chaos theory observes

[dense olive]

determinsitc chaos meaning balatro

randomness in balatro

roguelike

[wind niche]

they do

[dense olive]

it could be a roguelike

[oak mango]

and they are semi deterministic

[wind niche]

theyre purely deterministic under ideal circumstances and still chaotic
thats what chaos theory covers

[dense olive]

has anyones ass been near a^2 b^2 and c^2 to expereince the pythagorean theorem? that doesnt prove your point

you guys arent engaging with the topic bro

[wind niche]

this man is taking a double pendulum and observing its apparent randomness as if that makes it random

[oak mango]

i dont even know how we got to this point

hes complaining that his balatro isnt random enough

[tawny stirrup]

just looked up tf this mf talking about
chaos theory is about how THERE IS NO TRUE RANDOMNESS

[dense olive]

\this is a really good suggestion and you guys are twisting my words to make me sound dumb

[oak mango]

then uses GPT-5 to do something to it?

[wind niche]

no...
this suggestion is trash and youre propping yourself up on paper straws

you clearly have no idea what any of the concepts you bring up are actually about

[dense olive]

thats kind of a bar, but still i dont see how this is a bad idea

[abstract quest]

are we still engaging with this shitty bait

💔

[wind niche]

its pretty fun honestly

[tawny stirrup]

and those paper straws are secretly plastic and a turtle will still choke on them and ngl we the turtles falling for this bait

[dense olive]

i know what im talking about

[abstract quest]

exactly

[wind niche]

ive never seen this kind of argument before

[abstract quest]

just dni

block

whatever

[oak mango]

honestly true

[wind niche]

its like
chatgpt if it had strong opinions

[abstract quest]

ive seen a billion of them

ive seen so many kinds of bait

[oak mango]

chatgpt if it didnt accept it was wrong ❤️‍🩹

[dense olive]

im not wrong

[abstract quest]

[dense olive]

seriousloy roguelike elements would work so well in this game

[wind niche]

chatgpt arguments be like

[dense olive]

its such a shame

[wind niche]

evidence: i hallucinated a wikipedia page

[oak mango]

its like when people argue with grok on twitter

[abstract quest]

lets be fr this guy is probably getting his info from some ai

[tawny stirrup]

alright you got us good, you can reveal yourself now

[dense olive]

clearly you dont know about what an llm is because chatgpt doesnt argue with you, it preditcs the next outcome\

[oak mango]

expecting it to change its mind after reading the proven facts

[tawny stirrup]

we (yes we) accept the defeat

[wind niche]

um
well
this is funny

[abstract quest]

what is it

[wind niche]

yes chatgpt is a computer that i put words into and it guesses the next word
100%

[abstract quest]

whats Blocked message

[dense olive]

bro i am NOT local thunk

[oak mango]

"clearly you dont know about what an llm is because chatgpt doesnt argue with you, it preditcs the next outcome"

[tawny stirrup]

you got us good localthunk

[wind niche]

he says
i dont know what an llm is because chatgpt cant argue

[tawny stirrup]

this was incredible bait

[wind niche]

🔥

[dense olive]

bro stop

[abstract quest]

how does everything he says get dumber

[dense olive]

im trying to engage with a serious conversation

[abstract quest]

cant argue with that

its good bait

[dense olive]

im not local thunk

[wind niche]

cause hes dumb? sounds obvious enough to me :3

[oak mango]

one of the mods is controlling this account
theyre cackling in mod chat rn

[abstract quest]

people are falling for it

[abstract quest]

no shit

but like

[wind niche]

this guys funny i like him

[tawny stirrup]

proof chatgpt is not random:
if you give it the same input of "should i kill a baby"
it will give variations of the same output "no"

[abstract quest]

it just gets worse

[abstract quest]

really? let me check with my shadow mod powers

[dense olive]

im actaully a 15 year old boy from salt lake city utah who lets jusy say, knows hi shit

[dense olive]

KEY WORD: VARIATIONS

[wind niche]

its the famous redditor school of debate

[abstract quest]

yeah alright

[wraith fiber]

this is one of the dumbest threads I've ever read

[oak mango]

👀

[abstract quest]

you got us good mods

[dense olive]

those variations is what makes it random

[oak mango]

💔

so true

[wind niche]

where they start by trying to sound smart then default to making chatgpt claims

[dense olive]

exactly

these guys dont know what theyre talking about

[wraith fiber]

Balatro is a roguelike.

[abstract quest]

where they pretend to know what theyre talking about

[dense olive]

definitionally, youre wrong

[tawny stirrup]

but it never says yes

cant be true random then

[wraith fiber]

technically, a rogue Lite until you finish unlocking everything

[wind niche]

since you trust ai so much

[dense olive]

add roguelike elements to balatro (edit: mom I'm famous)

[wind niche]

that seems conclusive to me

[wraith fiber]

The standard gameplay loop is roguelike

[tawny stirrup]

brother thinks he is in YT

[oak mango]

zeba hes saying that balatro isnt a roguelike because it used seeds to determine randomness instead of PURE randomness that does not exist at all
but elden ring neightrein definitely has it so it should install what they did into balatro

[dense olive]

thats al ogical

[dense olive]

logical phasaly

[abstract quest]

the poker roguelike

gg

[dense olive]

catch up bro weve alrady been over this

[wraith fiber]

what roguelike game doesn't have seeds

[dense olive]

elden ring night reign

[abstract quest]

localthunk says its a roguelike

and it is

[oak mango]

he says elden ring neightrein

[dense olive]

well maybe local thunk was wrong

[wind niche]

"thats al ogical
logical phasaly"
-onlichoban 2025

[dense olive]

its not a roguelike

[dense olive]

straight bars

[oak mango]

quotebot 🥹

[abstract quest]

someone pull it up

🙏

[dense olive]

also WHERE

[oak mango]

oh moderators!

[dense olive]

proof?

[abstract quest]

hi im here

im a real mod

[wind niche]

you should become a rapper
miles better than the mumbling trash we have rn (god i hate rap music)

[abstract quest]

you can tell because my name says police

[dense olive]

someone @ local thunk to basck me up

[wraith fiber]

You know it still has a seed internally right? just because you can't manually enter one in doesn't mean the game doesn't play based on one

[tawny stirrup]

guys what if in reality it doesnt really matter because the definition of a rougelike and a rougelite arent even solid or consistent and generally just float around the same 3 concepts and that 2 games of the same genre can be so inheritly different from each other in almost every aspect except the loose few that define a genre

[abstract quest]

youre right

[oak mango]

"man named police tries to arrest a man" 😭

[abstract quest]

miles (yuno miles) is the only good rapper

[oak mango]

he deleted his album because it sounded too good 😭

[dense olive]

no you dont get it, the way it uses chaos theory ensures that theres no seeds

• LLM

[abstract quest]

didnt he try to genuinely improve

i miss the shitty yuno miles

[dense olive]

everyone please stay on topic

yuno miles is not on topic

[wind niche]

you dont get it do you
hes saying balatro needs to have the thing they have in elden ring night reign or whatever where it asks space what numbers to use
QED sheep

[dense olive]

use #🃏・off-topic for that

[wind niche]

yuno miles so peak

[oak mango]

i wish i could go back

[abstract quest]

💀

[tawny stirrup]

@dense olive you aint avoiding this one bro

[abstract quest]

doesnt matter what race the rapper is vro

[dense olive]

wym

no way were forging ss now

somebody @ local thunk PLEAS

[oak mango]

second witness

[dense olive]

i need backup

[wind niche]

hell yeah we are
forged right from the fiery pit of... your mouth?
ok just a regular pit

[dense olive]

this is a good point i have here

[dense olive]

NOT bars

[abstract quest]

bottomless one apparently

[wind niche]

you do it

[tawny stirrup]

guys

[dense olive]

no it doesnt work

[tawny stirrup]

i get it now

there IS true randomness in the universe

[abstract quest]

you finally realize its bait?

[abstract quest]

ohh

i get it too

[tawny stirrup]

the only source of it is @dense olive's mouth

[abstract quest]

its the stuff this guy spits

yeah

[dense olive]

SEE

[tawny stirrup]

such a cosmic rare thing

[wind niche]

TRUE

[dense olive]

yes and therefore local thunk can incorporate it

[wraith fiber]

I can't find anything online about that existing, it sounds like a ridiculous idea

[dense olive]

WWHAT

[wind niche]

no i still think he wants us to tell thunk to have balatro ask space what joker to make

[abstract quest]

the only "true random" in the universe

[dense olive]

no

whuat no you are tweaking

[wind niche]

damn i guess you just suck at researching

[dense olive]

true randomness exists\

i am being logical

[wraith fiber]

okay go fuck yourself I guess

[tawny stirrup]

yeah its you bro

[wraith fiber]

op is right

[wind niche]

:3

[dense olive]

yeah exactly

[abstract quest]

in what world

[dense olive]

this breaks the rules

you need to be banned

[tawny stirrup]

we gotta kidnap him and put him in a machine and enslave him to constantly speak shit to create the perfect trng system for balatro!

[dense olive]

nvm

[wind niche]

zebra no like joke :(

[tawny stirrup]

its a small sacrifice for the greater good right @dense olive

[dense olive]

you dont understand how this works bor

bro

im done here

[abstract quest]

yeah

[oak mango]

which mod was it

[dense olive]

you guys didnt engage with the conversation

with the program

[wind niche]

"ONLICHOBAN THE PLAYER REROLLED SAY SOMETHING"
"..."
"all right, got it, give the player another eternal rental delgrat and a neptune"

[dense olive]

divorce, roll out

[abstract quest]

we need to collect the essence of this ones consciousness and bottle it to make balatro a real roguelike

[oak mango]

whos behind that mask 🤩

[abstract quest]

its localthunk vro

[dense olive]

alrighjt, divorce, lets roll out

[wind niche]

MEN, THROW HIM INTO THE CARD MAKER

[oak mango]

it could be

theres never a non zero chance for anything*
-# sometimes

[tawny stirrup]

guys i was actually localthunk the whole time and this was my evil twin, globalthinking

[wind niche]

localthunk seems like the type to spell better

[abstract quest]

true

[dense olive]

guys new slang term, localthink

im doing some serious localTHINKING and i think thatyou guys need to take precalc

[abstract quest]

photochad

[wind niche]

i skipped that one

[dense olive]

that explains it

[wind niche]

it was all just unit circle trash

diffeq next year

[abstract quest]

skipping like skipping blinds from balatro (the poker roguelike)

[dense olive]

okay guys, singing off, im glad some friends talk to you later4!!!!!!!

[wind niche]

yeah and the tag i got was hs credit by exam

[oak mango]

but you skipped out on a shop that is objectively better than the $9 from Handy

[wind niche]

precalc is dumb why would i take that

[abstract quest]

i mean

sometimes handy gives you like

30 bucks

[tawny stirrup]

lowk i take that one 25$ on boss blind tag in the early antes

[oak mango]

true but most of the time the shop is always better (unless its like ante 35 and the score is literally impossible unless its the serpent)

[abstract quest]

investment ante 1 is usually the only worthwhile skip

[wind niche]

ante 1 investment tag my beloved

[oak mango]

thats a good skip tbh

[dense olive]

guys can we hang outg

[wind niche]

cant stop me from taking holographic and coupon tags anyways

its all for the love of the game

[abstract quest]

rare tag into eternal rental stuntman (baron build)

[tawny stirrup]

cuz like in ante 1 i avoid the shop anyways im trying to rack interest

[wind niche]

i hate rare tag hell no

[oak mango]

roffle thumbnail

[abstract quest]

photochad

[oak mango]

the comments are all the same joke its funnier the 300th time

[abstract quest]

ofc

[tulip bridge]

are we deadass

[rich hemlock]

i have a recommendation dont bother with this thread.

like this felt like talking to a brick wall

[tulip bridge]

least obvious balatro server ragebait

[dense olive]

I swear it isn't ragebait

[wraith fiber]

sorry

[dreamy marten]

Ok, ignoring the blatant misdefinition of roguelike, lierally what is the suggestion

Like what "roguelike elements" are you even suggesting

[rich hemlock]

apparently removing seeds and making every run use ai to generate instead

because seeds arent how roguelikes always work

Definitely

[wraith fiber]

nightreign 100% uses the same kind of rng as any other game

[brazen yoke]

This guy goes in the Hall of Shame

[neat lake]

Replace "seeds" with "seeds with extra steps"

[tawny stirrup]

why we keep bringing this shit back to top page let it die

[sleek agate]

But what if I didn't want to

[tawny stirrup]

@dense olive dude get your alt off here

[stone scarab]

How did you get 700 messages out of this bit?

[noble quail]

what in the hell is this thread