X8 ante base. Starts appearing in ante 5. All cards are retriggered once for each time they would be triggered.
Example: you play a red sealed stone card with 2 dusks on the final hand. It triggers, the festival retriggeres it, the red seal retriggeres it, the festival retriggeres it, the 1st dusk retriggers it, the festival retriggeres it, the 2nd dusk retriggeres it, the festival retriggeres it.
Total triggers: 8. From festival: 4.
I think this is a fair boss blind given that you get 2-3 retriggeres per card from the boss usually, and even at worse you get 1.
#The festival
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crimson mist
what if your build doesnt use on scoring effects
and specifically xmult on scoring effects since jow the hell are you beating 2 walls stacked on top of each other
also way too complex of an effect for vanilla
fiery rivet
aren't bosses meant to make the game harder?
The 8x is the difficult part
crimson mist
this one makes it harder because any build that isnt on score xmult dies instantly
fierce raptor
oh I didn't see that :3
crimson mist
this is a boss blind designed for endless while every other boss blind is designed for anye 8 runs
thats also a problem with this
fiery rivet
Yes it feels like serpent for endless runs but only for endless runs now
Instead of serpent being helpful in ante 8 runs too for most builds
fierce raptor
photochad runs 🤤
fiery rivet
It still would be bad but if it retriggered jokers it wouldn't pigeon hold you into a very small selection of jokers
crimson mist
its still too modded as youd basically force players to calculate their triggers on a boss blind
fiery rivet
its still too modded as youd basically force players to calculate their triggers...
Yes
I agree
The idea of a even bigger wall that helps you overcome it just doesn't work
crimson mist
wall can be beat with a single 2x and is threatning as hell. this requires a 4x if youre not running specifically the build this helps which is on score xmult
fiery rivet
Unless you wanted to do something like 8x ante size - x per [suit] played
fiery rivet
wall can be beat with a single 2x and is threatning as hell. this requires a 4x ...
Exactly
Its bones synergy
crimson mist
a bigger than average boss blind that helps you would be fun imo but not like this
i actually have an example of something like this from another game i played
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For anyone that thinks this is too difficult: Wall is a double-sized boss that has no other ability. Even if you have NO card effects other than base chips, they will give you twice as much, which usually ends up slightly less than doubling your score, and if you play low scoring hand, such as high card, you HAVE some held in hand effects that can be retriggered by this boss
In other words: at worse, this is roughly a slightly more difficult wall
brisk lark
huh
why are you acting like base chips matter at ante 5+
also there's like 3 held in hand effects that actually scores
and 2 of them are xmult triggers before not on score +mult jokers
proud tulip
I think it’s fundamentally flawed, either the boss helps you or it doesn’t - it shouldn’t be a glass card check
brisk lark
it's fine for a boss to punish one dimensional playstyles (plant, suit bosses) but forcing you to play a specific playstyle is a different thing
especially since on score jokers are usually bad against other bosses as well
crimson mist
most on score jokers are flat mult and chips. you need specifically xmult on score effects
thats extremely specific
brisk lark
well it does also retrigger held in hand effects but still
crimson mist
this is a boss blind that punishes any build that doesnt use base hand mult and held in hand/on score xmukt
crimson mist
this is a boss blind designed for endless while every other boss blind is design...
so basically
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You just need any + mult from cards to profit, because you get twice as much chips and mult from cards effects. And chips are a guarantee to have cuz base card score. By ante 5, you usually have that, alongside a few steel cards. IF you don't, it's RNG screwing you, which can and has happened to me once with the wheel, when it turned THE ENTIRE DECK faced down, and I had to guess what everything was
proud tulip
Even if we assume a flush 5 of aces it’d only +55 chips which is literally nothing compared to 8x base score
And there’s barely anything that gives mult on played cards besides glass, and that’s bad game design to require glass or steel to beat a boss
And it’s not a thing about rng screwing you over, it invalidates any build with +mult jokers (80+% of ante 8 builds)
brisk lark
even if we assume that every single one of these 5 cards were mult cards, the retriggers would only be +20 mult, which is nowhere close to x4
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even if we assume that every single one of these 5 cards were mult cards, the re...
Also twice as much chips from these cards
brisk lark
...so 50 chips and 20 mult is x4 for you...?
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...so 50 chips and 20 mult is x4 for you...?
No, 2x. Wall is the basis for the blind size cuz it has no ability
brisk lark
50 chips and 20 mult is 2x for you???
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Usually you have xmult from steel cards or something else that triggers on cards by ante 5
And some boss blinds can force you to sell out of a joker to survive them in the base game, such as plant when you have paredolia, and smeared joker with any of the suit debuffers
brisk lark
okay but you have to sell 1 joker
selling 1 joker doesnt do shit to this
and also plant and smeared joker doesn't kill you if you don't rely on on score effects to score
well smeared maybe
but it's not like "have very specific jokers or die"
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but it's not like "have very specific jokers or die"
There is a lot more than you think that triggeres on cards.
brisk lark
most of them are +mult
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most of them are +mult
In addition to the additional chips from card ranks, it actually becomes a lot more than you think
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care to elaborate on "a lot more than you think"
OK maybe not a lot more, but there is Something you definitely didn't think of: double wee scaling, you can also try to farm lucky card triggers for lucky cat, or buy and use IN THE BOSS BLIND a tarot for either a steel card or glass.
brisk lark
wow scaling
thats totally going to help when you're going to die
and again steel and glass is totally dependent on your source of +mult not being from levels or on score
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Personally, unless I get a boss blind that cannot screw me over, I always take a tarot that can bail me out potentially to the blind.
brisk lark
???
im not saying steel and glass are worthless
im saying that they won't help if your source of +mult is something like green joker
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So, for me, this would be a fair boss. If you think 8x is unfair, then what would be fair?
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When I see them, it's right before the needle, when I barely score enough to survive.
Or before the finisher
brisk lark
i really really don't wanna come off as condescending, but how many gold stake runs have you done
crimson mist
genuine question if you got offered a green joker and baron what are you taking ante 1
the issue with this is that it really only is easier if youre using on score xmult which doesnt work with a lot of good flat mult jokers