Chameleon

[warped silo]

When an Enhanced playing card is scored, replaces its enhancement with a random different enhancement and gains +5 Mult.

[warped silo]

There's clearly some sort of meaning behind reacting to a message with the ☝️ emoji, but I'm new, so could anyone explain it to me?

[west mango]

👍 and ☝️ are being used to upvote
This is a good suggestion!

[warped silo]

Ah alright. Thanks!

Can I upvote replies too?

[west mango]

Here's some info, there's more places here called "Unwritten rules" about the whole interaction thing in Suggestions
#1405413818443632682 message

[acoustic tendon]

This is way too strong

[west mango]

It doesn't state rarity, is only +Mult and also dependant on enhancements

[acoustic tendon]

Just with an chad its 15 mult per hand

[west mango]

BUt sure, numbers can always be tweaked

Well, a Photograph is x8 Mult just with a chad

[acoustic tendon]

Yea but thats not scaling

[warped silo]

All the tarot cards that give enhancements being partly ambigious is a huge disadvantage

[west mango]

true, but synergie makes some jokers stronger than others regardless (regarding Mijba's last comment)

What exact number the +Mult should be and what the rarity of the joker may be can be found out through playtesting.
But the concept is cool

[warped silo]

Yeah yeah yeah, when I have an idea for a joker I just plop numbers in depending on my gut. But the intuition might of course be off, and I'm open to nerfing/buffing until it feels right

[worldly light]

this joker doesn't need you to draw the enhanced cards again for it to give the +mult and relies less on planets

i think +3 per enhancement would be fine

[west mango]

But it also is just linear scaling, unlike PhotoChad

[worldly light]

photochad stays at 8x until you get more copies

[west mango]

the scaling lies in planets, that's about it

but that makes it exponential

[worldly light]

isn't planet scaling only barely faster than linear

that also relies on you drawing the planets in the first place

[west mango]

Planets alone is linear scaling as well
But the fact that photo doubles it over and over makes it exponential

[worldly light]

isn't the scaling still linear

just 8x faster

[warped silo]

No, it becomes exponential since the growth speed increases with every iteration

[west mango]

I started doubting, checked the math, and @worldly light is correct, it's still linear, just stronger

More retriggers of the Photo is what makes the growth of score exponential, not the planet levels

[warped silo]

I meant with hanging chad the growth is exponential with each retrigger

[west mango]

That, yeah, you were right
My mistake was saying that the exponential growth lies within the planet levels

[warped silo]

Oh ok

And how does chameleon tie into that

[worldly light]

i think it'd get like +10 mult per hand by ante 5 or so without retriggers

which is faster than every other +mult in the game

[warped silo]

Like I said, having every enhancing tarot card be essentially worthless is a huge disadvantage

This joker is already not at all viable for deep endless runs, even if a negative one comes up

[worldly light]

you could just not play the higher value ones like gold

which you don't want to be playing anyways

potentially missing out on lucky and glass cards does suck but the latter wouldn't do much with this kind of scaling

[warped silo]

hmm thats true

what would happen if i changed it so everytime an enhancement uses its ability, it gets changed

Would every run using it fall into anarchy or would interesting stuff happen (probably the first)

[west mango]

I think tying it to enhanced cards scoring is the way to go. It feels very vanilla. Just less mult per activation

[warped silo]

thats probably what i wouldve landed in, just a thought

Made some art, decided to rename it to "Radiant Joker"

Pretty basic though, will probably rework it later when I have the energy

[hazy crown]

+1 mult when a card gets an enhancement on top of base thing

[potent bridge]

i like the concept but it scales too quickly

[warped silo]

+3 Mult maybe?

[potent bridge]

1

or 2

[west mango]

I think +2 is the minimum. This joker would only be able to appear after you enhance your first cards, with this specific synergie with enhanced cards this might be an Uncommon anyways.
+2 is like Flash Card or Spare Trousers. And it only gets easier the more you fix your deck (you have to play enhjanced cards for it to grow anyways)

But I think +3 is pretty reasonable.
You'd have to get quite lucky with a lot of enhancements very early and/or retriggers to let this joker go off hard

[west mango]

it's cute, but I think I would love to have the flavor stay with Chameleon and could have the art represent it, like:

[warped silo]

I wanted to go with chameleon but chameleons are hard to draw >:(

[analog swift]

I think adding the scaling mult isn't necessary

[warped silo]

Better art!

[west mango]

For less words: "replace Enhancement with a random one and gain +3 Mult"
Also needs the "[Currently +0Mult]" thing I think

But cute art! Well done :3

[potent bridge]

does the joker or card gain mult

[warped silo]

Yeah I realized that soon, I was gonna add it now since I didn't have time (the currently +0 mult thing)

[warped silo]

Joker

[potent bridge]

oh then 3 is fine

[warped silo]

And as for that, i feel like the desc needs to make it clear that its replacing it with a DIFFERENT enhancement, your version might confuse people into thinking theres a chance it doesnt change.

[warped silo]

Also do you think rare is fine or should i downgrade it to uncommon

[potent bridge]

are there any other rare flat mult scalers

[warped silo]

Not many

Yeah uncommon will do

[stray iris]

Can this suggestion actually get to the game?

[warped silo]

What exactly do you mean?

[west mango]

through a mod, yeah
official? highly unlikely