#Full house deckfixing joker (rare) + square joker rework

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verbal crystal
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If played hand contains a two pair, add a card that matches the rank of one of cards in played hand to the deck

This joker is designed to make it easier to have a large amount of two different ranks. I feel like a huge reason full houses aren't used often is because its so easy to deck fix for one rank but deck fixing for two is much more difficult.

Please note that it doesn't make a copy like DNA instead it just adds a matching rank

I've jumped back and forth on weather to make it add a match of rank for both ranks involved or just one but if it was both I think its to much adding of cards.

Square joker rework
This joker gains +9 chips if played played hand has exactly scoring cards (ie two pair and 4 of a kind or stuff with splash) this makes

its design with this more focuses on lesser utilitezed hands and puts it in more of a runner role than high card spam. 9 is also coincidentally a perfect value as the condition is easier than runner but its also a square number.

I couldn't find a rework that was like this when I looked so I think this a safe new rework but still was to scared to leave it alone

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React here to hate on the square joker rework

hollow crypt
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No self upvotes

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I like it though

signal axle
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i don't think square needs a rework

verbal crystal
verbal crystal
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Just in my opinion

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I thought I might as suggest it as im trying to design around two pair right now

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And that's what's this one would end up being

signal axle
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i don't think anything will stop chip jokers from being good with smaller hands

verbal crystal
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I get it though

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True but I mean at least it let's me play two pair till I stop leveling it

sand socket
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I'm confused on how the square joker rework works, does it give +9 chips if played hand contains exactly 4 scoring cards?

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If so, I could get behind it honestly

turbid saffron
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i feel the current amount of jokers that work with high card and pair dont need to be changed mostly

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or at all tbh

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if more jokers existed that just incentivized bigger hands itd be cool

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(you cant take square joker out of the pair spam mold without making a new joker even the rework here is basically a chips version of trousers which means id just stop scaling it if it becomes inconvenient)

long quartz
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MFW square gains +9 if hand contains scoring cards

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(My mean way of pointing out minor typo)

orchid hollow
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This copy the suit too?

hollow crypt
verbal crystal
sand socket
verbal crystal
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Nor to me

verbal crystal
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And seals

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It isn't just better a DNA

plain herald
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are you stupid

verbal crystal
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Everyone talks about the square joker rework but nobody says anything on the original concept

signal axle
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i don't see myself using it outside of hologram

turbid saffron
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the issue with full house isnt the deckfixing its the fact it has no scenerio its a good hand to use over other ones

verbal crystal
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And all my scoring suggestions are more so two pair stuff

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Shame

orchid hollow
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This can currently give you a lot cards of one rank bcs randomly picks a rank, making full house less consistent and four/five of kind are better options. I think for this to really make full house consistent I should add a card from the lowest amount rank on the full deck (compare only ranks scored). This way, when you have more cards of one rank than the other, it will balance them out to the same amount more easily

sand socket
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Right now, Earth gives +2/+25, which is barely better than Venus's +2/+20, so there's really not much reason to use it

signal axle
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yeah that's the whole issue

sand socket
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Granted, even 3oak isn't that great, since if you're deckfixing for 3oak, 4oak is usually better

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But that's irrelevant so idk why I brought it up lmao

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Earth being +3/+25 feels like it would be about right

verbal crystal
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Yeah it should most definitely

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Right up with straights

orchid hollow
turbid saffron
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and sometimes you dont get enough to go for 4 of a kind

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transition hands are good too the issue is full house isnt one of those

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its a nothing hand with no real time to use it

signal axle
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plus 3oak's consistency makes it better with card sharp or burnt

sand socket
minor sluice
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i'm not sure how powerful the first one would be, but i would really love a full house/2 pair joker

verbal crystal
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I love the idea of two pair and full house

verbal crystal
ivory phoenix
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I like the full house joker, but it's pretty powerful. Rules as written, you can add 3 or more of your ideal ranks to your deck every blind, as opposed to DNA's 1(and you don't even have to give up as much scoring as before). However, I like the fact it picks a rank at random from the two, forcing you into full house.

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as for the square joker rework, I know people are opposed to high card spam and high card spam jokers, but I think the ones that exist have a place in the game. If square joker were reworked, I'd like to see a joker that works like the old square joker did(maybe requiring you play less cards to get the bonus). Without that new joker, I'd be inclined to leave square as is.

verbal crystal
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Alright I kinda see the point for the og square