Nerf to High Card

[limber cargo]

Pluto no longer scales the Mult of High Card, forcing it to only gain mult from jokers

[plucky raven]

high card already is the worst hand you can play 😭

is this bait?😭

[limber cargo]

No. Most joker suggestions that favour low hands get called "slop" so this is an idea that might permit more joker ideas in future

[river zodiac]

This is not the way to nerf HC

[dense bronze]

and leave pairs untouched?

[storm dawn]

?

[river zodiac]

You cant realistically take away pluto either, blue seals need to spawn something after a HC wins a hand

[split pendant]

He said he would nerf pluto

[storm dawn]

Delete high card atp

[dense bronze]

also it's only slightly worse than pairs

[split pendant]

Nerf everything, balatro is too powerful

[plucky raven]

it's still worse

[dense bronze]

and what does that have to do with your stance of it being the worst hand

[fiery pond]

pairs and high card are strong but gutting their planet from giving mult is like a very bad way to do it

like as much as pair spam sucks that its the best lets buff other things first and maybe not touch the non offending part of the planets

like i if more jokers just favoured non pair or high card playstyles and were added by defintion pairs get nerfed

or if not nerfed well if you get a good lets say 3 of a kind joker youd easily play that instead

[dense bronze]

i think nerfing the chips would accomplish more

[fiery pond]

nerfing mercury to 10 and pluto to 5? or maybe just making both 10

making something reliant on mult from other sources feels really gross tho if you balance things

[dense bronze]

but we need to see the state of the game post-blue stake rework to see if nerfing mercury is still necessary

[fiery pond]

id guess that post blue stake (assuming added jokers become good jokers for other hand types) that pairs would be consistent but weaker (moreso that theyd score slower and youd be able to play the big hands anyways with 3 discards)

also id like a flush buff because with a reworked blue stake that shit needs more chips from jupiter

[safe vector]

i don't think a flush buff should happen

New players should learn that their typical strategy isn't working and move onto other kinds of hands

[fiery pond]

ruining a hand type for tutorial purposes sounds lame tho

[safe vector]

i dunno

i think it is the tutorial hand type

clear cut way to discard for it

interesting jokers that seem good in the beginning

[jagged bobcat]

Beats the point of high cards and planets in general since youre supposed to gain chips AND mult from planets so the hand is in general better

Plus its the worst hand you can play anyway

I think instead of "fixing" hc so "slop" ideas arent "slop", we should instead actually balance the so-called "slop" so it isnt op with high card

[grand magnet]

High card is by far the best

[fiery pond]

pairs are better

but planets not giving flat mult is not a good idea

[plucky raven]

in terms of raw score, it's the worst

[red sky]

????????? High card is one of the best hands

[dense bronze]

not really

[maiden gorge]

No one is forcing you to play high card, wherre is all this hate coming from?

[dense bronze]

it's the hand that benefits the most from steel and you can always play it multiple times

[dense bronze]

ideas that focus mainly on smaller hands not being well liked because those hands are already the best in the game

[plucky raven]

it is?

that's off topic though

[dense bronze]

they quite literally have the highest scoring potential in the game if that's what you mean

[river zodiac]

Only with certain jokers yes

[indigo talon]

Raw score vs reliability

You can always get high card

And most cards are powerful with it

[plucky raven]

my argument was about raw score..

i know high card is the most reliable hand

[indigo talon]

Yeah and? You gotta take it all into consideration when saying power

But yeah the planet itself isn't the issue

Its the selection of jokers

And how little there is for 4-5 card hands

Oh my beloved 2 pair

[river zodiac]

The “high card jokers” work on any hand, I just hate how most of them scale harder with high card compared to other hands

[indigo talon]

Well ehh

I mean most are directed towards all

But like one can not tell my that ride the bus, supernova, and green joker are not high card jokers

Same with half card

And I mean lots of xmult jokers don't care

Like hologram is quite a high cardish joker

[fiery pond]

3 of a kind half joker gaming early is fun but when a joker wants spammed hands to scale or has deck bloat as part of it then the bigger hands are not effective for it

technically square ride the bus constellation can be done with something bigger but uhh why would you do that

[indigo talon]

Exactly

[fiery pond]

more jokers that help play certain stronger hands like shortcut would be welcome honestly

or jokers that deliberately encourage bigger hands

with blue stake being reworked if more jokers were added that very much wanted big hands that would be good

and non early game mult ones

that doesnt count

[storm dawn]

Something that can scale per hand but also the scaling gets stronger the more cards played

[fiery pond]

those are still high card and pair jokers tho

you dont scale runner and trousers in gold stake to keep using the big hand you scale them to play pair using that scaled joker later

[storm dawn]

Maybe something like reverse half joker

[fiery pond]

xmult reverse half joker would maybe work actually

[indigo talon]

Yeah i made a 2 pair joker a while back that was like that

It was cool

Very proud of it

[river zodiac]

Ehhh… feels like a very easy condition for simply xMult

Besides nothing is stopping me from still playing 5 cards and scoring high card

Unless there’s more to it

[fiery pond]

if played poker hand has more than 3 cards

[storm dawn]

I mean we kinda already have this in the duo trio tribe family thing

[fiery pond]

would be how id do it

make a generic big hand xmult like a 2x that rewards bigger hands

even if that idea sucks nerfing reliable hands instead of making other bigger hands have stronger jokers would be weird

[storm dawn]

Bigger hands should be rewarded more

[fiery pond]

which is why flush and full house should get a planet buff

[storm dawn]

Eh flush is fine i guess

[fiery pond]

flush needs some chips on its planets

[storm dawn]

Maybe buff the chips

[fiery pond]

full house is just kinda awful compared to every other hand

[storm dawn]

Full house not having any dedicated jokers is weird

[fiery pond]

its because full house is a three of a kind and 2 pair in one i guess?

honestly the issue is that scoring wise you never wanna play it over other hands

[storm dawn]

There's just no reason playing it other than a few extra chips

[fiery pond]

the consistency of 2 pair and 3oak are just unbeaten for a slight scoring difference especially with 3oak

3oak is 5 chips less than full house on its planet

[indigo talon]

I think 2 pair and full house both need help

[fiery pond]

and if you can deckfix to draw the same ranks for full house you could deckfix for 4 of a kind

i find 2 pair has use when pair levels dont come

full house has no situation id use it

[storm dawn]

2 pair scaling feels a little low

[fiery pond]

its pretty easy to draw so it makes sense

again its a case of more joker to make playing it good rather than the planet i think

[storm dawn]

Fh has neither

[fiery pond]

correct

[indigo talon]

Yeah i want full house and 2 pair jokers