Flipped Jokers

[knotty sinew]

• Stacks with every other Joker edition
• Visual: Flips the joker 180° Degrees
• Can only be bought, no Tarot can create it
• Swaps Chips and Mult after applying effect

[wet goblet]

interesting

[scarlet thorn]

i assume this trigger is in normal scoring order because "triggering" a joker is not well defined

[wet goblet]

it’s not nice to trigger a joker

[knotty sinew]

yeah im just deriving it from retriggering because when a flipped joker is retriggered it also swaps cm

[scarlet thorn]

you cant retrigger jokers

[knotty sinew]

or whatever

it

usually is

update: i swear i thought you could reactivate a joker somehow

[granite oar]

Oh

My

Fucking

GOD

WHY CAN NONE OF YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS THAT SWAPPING CHIPS AND MULT DOES NOTHING IN ALMOST EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE

LOOK

[knotty sinew]

here's an interesting scenario
start with 5 chips 5 mult
+2 Mult (5C 7M)
Flipped (7C 5M)
+4 Mult (7C 9M)
= 63

without the flip
+2 Mult (5C 7M)
+4 Mult (5C 11M)
= 55

[knotty sinew]

i mean, if the flipping is the last action, then it does absolutely nothing

but otherwise, its actually better to flip because most jokers act on mult and not chips

closer to a square number, etc

also why are you nopeing me, im right

[cold wind]

Doesn't feel vanilla

[obtuse heron]

You’re definitely right, but it doesn’t really feel like a mechanic that makes sense with current vanilla balatro

It’s only useful when set up in a non-intuitive way

[fiery patrol]

what's stopping you from using a chip joker instead

[pulsar sundial]

Bull flip wee vs bull wee

[wet goblet]

yeah it’s the common mistake

[swift cove]

that difference barely matters tho

[swift cove]

why would i use 2 chip jokers when i can use one and a mult joker tho

also flipping chips and mult feels a bit too modded for my taste

nothing in game does something like that to your score

plasma comes close but thats just math still

[pulsar sundial]

Chips jokers typically scale faster than mult jokers, if you flip after 1 chips joker, you are effectively converting it to a mult joker, thus allowing you to get another chips joker enabling a higher overall sum of chips and mult without the issue of creating an sub optimal distribution of chips and mult that exacerbates the proportional falloff of additive increases.

[swift cove]

still feels modded as all hell tho for a niche effect

[proper stump]

validest crashout

[surreal shadow]

I guess it still feels kinda useless
Its kinda got like 2 use cases and thats it
And for a game where combos are everything, I just dont see any combination that could benefit the player in a meaningful way

[pulsar sundial]

I think the issue with it is it has the potential to bloat gameplay mechanics. However it is quite useful. It opens up entire new builds that largely eliminate the need to have to focus on keeping mult and chips somewhat balanced.

You can choose to run only chips jokers and actually have a good chance at winning.

Say for simplicity I have 2 ice creams, so 100 chips each and a gros michel, 15 mult. Normally this would score 200 × 15 or 3,000. However if the gros michel had the flipped edition, it would(with the optimal layout) score 115×100 or 11,500, an increase of nearly 4× from a single edition. That is of course a fairly optimal situation for this edition, but I hope you get my point.

[surreal shadow]

I guess Yeah

[fiery patrol]

"a game where combos are everything" me with my any scaling +mult, any scaling chips and any trio of xmult build:

[cold wind]

All of the synergy jokers are average or below

[drifting elm]

Rare Christian Weston chandler sighting

[worthy gate]

I disagree

Not that I think this is a worthwhile addition

But swapping mult and chips can go crazy

Especially if you have a heavy chips or a heavy mult build

Assuming that this is one of the first things to trigger