Planetarium

[lone field]

{Rare}
Planet cards no longer level up hands. When a planet card is used add its Chips and Mult to this joker instead.

[glossy rivet]

will this also take levels from stuff like space joker or burnt jokr

[frosty fox]

Neptune finally becomes a good planet, the joker seems a bit strong but it is a rare and it seems difficult to change the balance.

[frosty fox]

Does it really need to be any stronger though?

This would be the fastest mult scalar in game, not even mentioning the chips.

[glossy rivet]

true

[frosty fox]

Like it needs some creative nerf that doesn't make it overly complex

Maybe just rng honestly

When planet card is used, 2/3 chance to add its scaling to this instead

[gilded mantle]

Or add its chips or mult? (Like a 50/50 split)

Although I like just making it chance more

[harsh palm]

I think the nerf is already there with not being able to level up pokerhands. This can be quite bad for jokers like ancient jokers so won't need a nerf in my opinion.

[silk thicket]

isnt this just a very lame high card joker

the whole risk reward of higher scaling planets for stronger hands is them not being easy to spam

this makes it so high card can use the scaling of literally everything else and bypass having to get other jokers for your flat mult and chips

this rewards high card and pair spam which are already the best hands

this needs a nerf. maybe like it taking only a half of the planets value

or just not existing because lowkey we dont need another flat mult scaler for pairs

[alpine perch]

upgrading an unconditional joker is almost always better

[silk thicket]

also yeah this seems balanced when youre in the endless base mult on score xmult train of thought but on higher stakes this just breaks the game

[fading pasture]

The only world this is worse than levels is for 1 finisher who debuffs a random Joker, and steel/baron

[harsh palm]

What about Photograph and any other joker that applies XMult before jokers activate. I do think that this can be quite of a downgrade for some builds so you'll need to build around it.

[alpine perch]

it usually isn't

[grim pagoda]

maybe if it was a legendary

[fading pasture]

There are 4 on-score Xmults i can think of

So ur right, we gotta add 4 jokers to make 6 jokers (StM added) and 1 boss

Quite the downside for basically being a free win Joker

[silk thicket]

most gold stake runs rely on joker scoring with no on score xmult. this is a better scaling flat mult and chips then a lot of others and only 1 slot

[harsh palm]

What about making it only store chips and therefore being an uncommon?

[gilded mantle]

If it only stored chips it would be more interesting as than planets would give no mult anywhere and thats cool

But itd still be a rare as it would grow faster than wee

[grim pagoda]

no mult planets is a pretty crazy tradeoff

i suppose if you get it after you've leveled up your hands significantly, it's good

[gilded mantle]

It still validates the hundreds of chips you can get in a single shop

[serene gust]

Seems fairly balanced as is

-# can't rlly see where the nopes are coming from

[gilded mantle]

Also it would encourage you to use other flat mult options

[serene gust]

Is it the chip bonus?

[gilded mantle]

A neptune is 4 mult and 40 chips and thats added to the card. All you would need to play is a high card to access insane that scaling

[serene gust]

I mean

You still have to find it

And pay for it

Definitely a bit overtuned, but nothing madenning

[gilded mantle]

The joker or the planet?

[serene gust]

Planet
-# even if it is three bucks

[gilded mantle]

Because planets are really easy to get

I mean look at red card

[grim pagoda]

what about red card?

[serene gust]

4-8 bucks for 3 mult

Twice a turn

[gilded mantle]

Red card is a common but like red card only gives you 3 mult for something that's more limited and doesn't help you

[grim pagoda]

which is why not many take red card

[long citrus]

i think the idea is kinda cool but like

this kinda op as shit

[gilded mantle]

And its concedered really good (because it is)

[long citrus]

eris spam highcard build 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[errant coyote]

I originally thought this was just a worse constellation at first but this actually kinda allows the player to not care what hand type they pick to level up as ideally the one that gives the most will always be selected by default. And it won’t matter what hand is played as all your levels are combined into one

[long citrus]

but yeah like

really cool idea

how to balance it though?

i dunno

this makes HC runs like

way easier

because u get MAD scaling from planets

i have an idea that's like

super modded though

planet cards only affect everything higher

so like mercury levels up pair and above

jupiter levels up flush and above

etc etc

so it's like a big hand joker

[errant coyote]

Bruh

Pluto is basically a black hole at that point

Ain’t no way is that vanilla

Or balanced

[long citrus]

i mean like

idk man

i wasn't thinking about level ups but rather add to the joker still

[errant coyote]

I have an idea actually

The joker scales by taking away a level of the played hand but adds the chips and Mult lost from the leave loss to the joker

[long citrus]

pluto adds +1 mult and +10 to everything still

[alpine perch]

this would be around the same amount of money for both mult and chips

[lone field]

Oh my god i just woke up and see 37 comments on my post

I was thinking about having the rng, like 1/3 chance would make it not so fast at scaling

[lone field]

Or this

This would work as well

[serene gust]

Actually

½ sounds really cool

Cuz instead of just failing

You level up a planet

But then since this joker encourages spamming planets you'll never use

It might be a miss (yet feel less bad since you still get something)

[lone field]

So remove the "Planet cards no longer level up hands." Text and make the second part a 1/2 chance to trigger?

I'm thinking either that or Gifty's idea of having it take away the level of the played hand, sort of "storing" it in the joker basically