Medusa joker concept

[ancient plover]

I've seen the use of the creature "medusa" as the idea of a lot of jokers and i js got an idea for another "medusa" joker

Name: Medusa
Price: $6
Rarity: Uncommon/Rare
Bp compat: Yes
Sticker compat: All

Effect:
When blind is selected, destroy joker to the, add a stone card to deck and gain chips equal to quadruple that joker's sell value
(Currently +0 chips)

.- Notes -

I like it going to the right to go with dagger and bp but it could go left or to the middle joker or smth if the similarity is not liked, tho i'd say the effect by itself is quite different to dagger

[tawdry cobalt]

Better Marble Joker?

[ancient plover]

fuucccck

[upbeat merlin]

Medusa is already the name of a challenge deck, and it is pretty much dagger + marble joker

[ancient plover]

forgot marble joker

[upbeat merlin]

for chips, ofc

[ancient plover]

ok nvm

this is bad

[tawdry cobalt]

Quad chips is a little underpowered as well

Normal ratio is about 15/2

[ancient plover]

for scaling is a bit weird tho
square is +16 and grimbo is +4

[tawdry cobalt]

Even if we take 4/1, this is still about half as powerful as it should be, but it does have two effects.

[neat vapor]

Those aren't comparable, Green Joker requires you to use no discards to get that rate

[neat vapor]

Having 2 effects is kind of an issue on its own

[tawdry cobalt]

yeah....

[upbeat merlin]

I could see it being interesting if it was a much bigger multiplier of the chips, and they were applied to the stone card that was actually added to the deck

then you could argue it's one effect of just turning the Joker into a stone card

[ancient plover]

ooh

that's cool

like get 20x sell value and add it to the stone card's chips

only problem left (imo) in that case would be marble overlap

[tawdry cobalt]

using the extra chips feature, that could be interesting.

[upbeat merlin]

well, it wouldn't always add a stone card

also I feel like this has the potential for a cool little Easter egg for each joker to be assigned a rank+suit? if the card underneath stone isnt just random ofc

[tawdry cobalt]

you could have it do something interesting, like retain the editions (other than negative) of the card being turned to stone.

[upbeat merlin]

truuueee

[tawdry cobalt]

that's a cool idea.

[ancient plover]

baron turning into king of (hearts?) is just appropiate

[neat vapor]

I think it's a fun idea, but I'm iffy on whether it should be included or not

I could see a strategy using this actually being viable if you have Vampire, and so then it ends up being a lot of information hidden from the player

[ancient plover]

tbh if it was added to vanilla it would be to replace marble joker rather than being a 151th joker, that's the only way i could see this on basegame

ah, did you mean the easter egg thing?

[neat vapor]

No I think the Joker itself is cool, I meant the easter egg

[upbeat merlin]

you mean the easter egg? because you could just put different enhancements on Stone anyways

you don't need a vampire to take that off

[neat vapor]

Yeah that's what I mean

[neat vapor]

Sure, but vampire is definitely the easiest way to do it consistently

[tawdry cobalt]

accessing a vampire isn't always a given, accessing like 5/22 tarot cards is way more likely.

[upbeat merlin]

I mean strategy isn't really part of the design of Easter eggs lol

[ancient plover]

it would be slower for deckfixing than just using tarots anyways

and getting various copies of the same joker is very improbable

[upbeat merlin]

but yeah it would be really hard to keep track and figure out what every single Joker is underneath the stone, because you would have to do it one at a time or else they basically get shuffled

[neat vapor]

Even so, it is a possible strategy, and it's information that's not at all obvious to the player

[neat vapor]

You don't need copies of the same Joker, you just need Jokers that share the same rank

[upbeat merlin]

a wiki mode thing just like misprint or matador or ante score requirements deep into endless

It's just a knowledge check which I think is okay

Not saying Matador is okay to be clear

[neat vapor]

Misprint can be guessed if you look at the shifting numbers, Matador is being reworked, and ante score requirements past ante 16 don't come up for most people, but I see your point

[upbeat merlin]

you can only figure out the range of misprints actual scoring through trial and error

I think the specific rank underneath the stone would not matter nearly as much as the sell value of the Jokers anyways turning into chips

[neat vapor]

Maybe Misprint should be listed as +0-24 Mult only in the collection

[ancient plover]

yeah, 99.9% of people would get this for the +100 chips stone

[ancient plover]

it would be kinda weird for it to be different than in-game and miss the point of the joker, would also remove its easter egg unless you have it in your setup

ok so i'd like to update the post with the new idea and credit the contributors of it, only if that's okay with you all ofc

[upbeat merlin]

fine by me

ftr i think collection should only ever show default values

being incentivized to go all the way into the menu and back is lame

[tawdry cobalt]

0-23 mult, also:

Misprint's glitchy description reveals the next card to be drawn -- at one point in the cycle, "Mult" changes to "#@[number][letter]". The number corresponds to the rank of the card to be drawn (2 to 10 is face value, 11 for Jack, 12 for Queen, 13 for King, 14 for Ace), and the letter corresponds to the suit (Clubs, Diamonds, Hearts, Spades). This can be checked at any time in the Collection, once Misprint has been discovered for the first time.