Muddying definitions

[wary wagon]

Start with an eternal Paridolia and an Eternal Negative Smeared Joker (don’t want to make it only 3 slots)
The Plant is guaranteed not to show up

[bronze wraith]

where is the challenge ?

[crimson sky]

The plant and all the suit debuffing bosses

[bronze wraith]

they don't count

i mean sure, you will have to deal with 2 suits debuffed instead of 1 but that's definitely manageable

simply providing two jokers for the sake of it doesn't make a challenge out of them

[calm crystal]

I think there should be pant

[wary wagon]

okay the smeared joker is not eternal AND the plane is guaranteed ante 8

plant

[bronze wraith]

you cannot guarantee the plant on ante 8 because it's a finisher boss blind that will appear there

and smeared not being eternal doesn't change the fact that there is no challenge here

[wary wagon]

it’s a challenge

challenges can bend the rules

[bronze wraith]

true, but not to the point of rewriting the core rules of gameplay

one of them being : "the boss blind of ante 8 is a finisher blind"

[analog hatch]

Ehh, I kind of disagree with this sentiment

Another challenge suggested was one that makes every blind a boss blind and that got plenty of ☝️s

[bronze wraith]

there can be discussion about what makes the core of the gameplay

[bronze wraith]

there have been a billion duplicates for a boss rush challenge, but still, do you think having a finisher boss on ante 8 is part of the core ?

personally, i do

[analog hatch]

It's as much a part of the core as "first blind is a small blind, second blind is a big blind" is

I don't think messing with the game's core is the issue here though, it's that the rest of the challenge is really easy, so adding The Plant to Ante 8 feels like a half-hearted fix to a greater issue

[bronze wraith]

at least we're agreeing on the point of "there is no challenge here"

[analog hatch]

Yeah I definitely agree on that

[bronze wraith]

and this is quite contradictory with the original post where plant is banned