black alpha

[stone thicket]

each card has 2 in x chance to be debuffed, where x is the number of copies you have of that card in your deck.
hands played containing only debuffed cards don't score

[chrome cedar]

that seems weirdly complex. why do the debuffed full hands of cards not score

this just does nothing usually it seems since most builds are either very commital to specific ranks so each has a 2 in 10 or something to be debuffed or the deck is just a vessel for gold cards and all your scoring doesnt come from card triggers

[pearl burrow]

that second line is overly punishing

playing a heart flush against The Head at least gives you the base score of a flush

if this was x in 20 chance, this would at least be an interesting counter to NOAK builds

[chrome cedar]

nerfing builds that arent the most reliable anyways is unnecessary

[stone thicket]

the idea is this is a finisher that tests how consistent your deck is

without the second line, it can just end up as a weaker vessel even with bad deck fixing

[spiral fern]

bosses never have two abilities

[spiral fern]

there are already bosses that achieve this much better

[chrome cedar]

the eye exists already

[spiral fern]

the needle the water the mouth

what else

the manacle maybe

[stone thicket]

the other option was to make a new status effect that does this

[spiral fern]

uh i dont remember status effects being a mechanic in balatro

[stone thicket]

and all of them are REGULAR bosses. this is supposed to be finisher

[spiral fern]

and they’re harder than this

this blind is just get lucky

[stone thicket]

there's two vanilla: debuffed and faced down

[spiral fern]

basically

[chrome cedar]

more statuses are unnecessary

[spiral fern]

like what if im playing straights? this doesnt properly read the consistency of straights because they have many ranks involved

[chrome cedar]

also adding more boss blind that wall builds last second since theyre finishers is lame

[spiral fern]

its literally just fuck you if you arent lucky enough for straights

[stone thicket]

if you have a lot of the same card, like you PROBABLY have at ante 8, you're good if you don't have oa6s

[chrome cedar]

the finisher bosses arent supposed to eall specific builds harshly

[spiral fern]

probably? most runs you wouldnt have a lot of the same card, surprisingly deckfixing isnt quite that simple

[chrome cedar]

so this finisher boss entirely wants you to spam 4 of a kind. wonder

you should never make a finisher boss force specific hands and expect it to not be rng bs

[spiral fern]

yeah you’re actung like 4 or 5 of a kind is the only build ever

you can win with anything

[stone thicket]

there's 3 main builds in balatro: baron, which has a lot of the same cards, idol, which has a lot of the same cards, and 5oak/ flush five. you can make other things work, but for most, this are the go-to late games

[chrome cedar]

by ante 8 youre no longer able to pivot out of your preferred played hand so this is just more brutal than violet vessel even

[spiral fern]

what if i build for flushes (for some reason) and dont copy ranks only suits

[spiral fern]

nanlet

there are millions of builds you can win the game with man

stop playing so much endless

[chrome cedar]

on gold stake its 80% pair spam and 20% other

[stone thicket]

a NORMAL boss punishes you for that

[chrome cedar]

baron is ass in gold btw

the normal boss punishes one suit not all 4

[spiral fern]

yes and so is idol

and 5oak/f5 are rarely ever viable

oh yeah theres also a blind that exists that already counters baron!!

the fucking plant

[stone thicket]

it does if you're unlucky enough to have to rely on wild cards, which happens to me 99% of the time cuz my luck sucks

[spiral fern]

oh wait this boss rewards baron

myb

[spiral fern]

theres literally no situation that you need to rely on wilds

[chrome cedar]

why tf are you relying on wild cards for flushes just change the suits directly

[spiral fern]

you cant expect to get a unch of the same rank by the end of the game if uou need to rely on wilds for flush builds

[chrome cedar]

pick 2 suits and then you have insurance if one gets debuffed

[stone thicket]

EVERY f*cking time i open a arcana pack, i see this three: useless stone, a glass that shatters after 1 play, and a really bad wild as my options. and for the bigger packs, emperor and empress are added. the worst part is that this isn't a lie.

[spiral fern]

so if this is what you get in “every arcana pack” how the hell are you getting so much of yhe same rank at the end of the game

are you getting dna ante 1 small blind every game

no

some runs cant deckfix that much because rng is a bitch

[stone thicket]

emperor occasionally giving death and another emperor

[chrome cedar]

ok so i dont want to get caught in a never-ending skill issue arguement. just know that everything in game is balanced for gold stake mostly. not endless white stake

[spiral fern]

occasionally isnt going to be enough to make this consistent

for reference

you need FOURTEEN of the same rank to make this the same odds of debuffing as the wheel

and wheel just draws them face down

[chrome cedar]

so yes green joker and square joker are good even if theyre bad for endless

[stone thicket]

usually, i just lose to a ante 1 needly cuz i am force to play a high card

[spiral fern]

?

the needle cant appear ante 1

[chrome cedar]

needle cant show up ante 1?

[spiral fern]

you also dont have to play high card

[stone thicket]

somehow it does. i am almost certain that my copy is corrupted

and that also would explain my bad luck

[spiral fern]

why didnt you say any of this earlier brah

[stone thicket]

cuz i forgot

[spiral fern]

you should try and get that fixed

[tawny glen]

Cope

[pearl burrow]

I think they mean things like debuffed or face-down

[spiral fern]

…….

my guy

they clarified that

a long time ago