[Ortalab Add-On] balatrO - The Mirror to The Mirror

[lavish minnow]

Making this as a Community thing if people wanted to turn this into a reality.

[ivory lotus]

yay i get to add another thing to shinku's name

idc if it's just concepting

also the thread is named ortalaB not balatrO

[late basin]

i think ortalaB would grab more attention tbh
but idk if the name should be one or the other

[lavish minnow]

Oops one seco

[Ortalab Add-On] balatrO - The Mirror to The Mirror

[lavish minnow]

I think re-redeem means it chooses a voucher you already redeemed and redeem another one

I'm just trying to understand the craziness of an old sheet

I'm not gonna do a whole Ortalab 2 after the year and a half of Ortalab 1 in terms of a lead, but... I am willing to do a bit of concepting and art and stuff

[late basin]

ok but like Redeeming say Grabber (+1 hand) again wouldn't do anything because you already own it however
if it meant that it changes how getting the same voucher again works then actually work then ok but other wise it does nothing

[lavish minnow]

Hang on

I'm gonna simulate this

you then do the re-redeem of a voucher

[late basin]

right but in base game if you buy a voucher you already own it does Nothing
if the idea is to change that then sure

[lavish minnow]

Not true

I did 2 grabbers and while it shows i only redeemed 1, I have 6 hands

Same thing with stuff like pulse wave, it triggers 3 times instead of 2 times despite getting the same voucher

I'm sure there's some that don't work but it's like matador then

[late basin]

if it worked like that the whole time mb but i though for sure it didn't

[nimble nova]

I'm leaving my mark what do you think?

[late basin]

sounds cool
i'd say it's strangely balanced too
because having all the enchantments makes having wild in hand to get the benefit more difficult

[nimble nova]

It is also a worthy buff for the Wild Cards.

[nimble nova]

Would they be a chameleon or an octopus?

[late basin]

ortalab already has a chameleon joker so probably octopus if it's not used else when in this mod

[nimble nova]

Thanks for your suggestion.

[shell swift]

oh right
i will put myself forward and offer to contribute with coding, but i do not currently have the time/energy to lead the coding side of things (or do it all solo)

also, potential idea for legendary jokers theme

[lavish minnow]

^

I like this

[nimble nova]

Here's the rest, which one ya like more?

[shell swift]

blake needs a bit of clarification, do you mean 2X the random card's sell value?

[nimble nova]

Yes.

[shell swift]

oki
anyway i don't particularly see why salman needs that "all but one" thing, feels like an unnecessary nerf that only makes the effect more complicated to explain

[nimble nova]

Well, it would be bullshit if he gave you money from a mult or chip value of a Joker, it would be broken.

[shell swift]

? i'm confused now

is salman's effect not "all but one pack in the shop is free"? i don't see where money or joker values come into play here

[nimble nova]

Salman's effect is actually what you said. Change it if you wish.

[shell swift]

ye i'm just thinking it should be "all booster packs are free", i'll change that if that's alright
especially with the hit and stand blinds removing booster packs from the shop that follows, there's no reason to nerf that

[nimble nova]

Aight.

[late basin]

i haven't looked through all the joker effects but is there a lot of pack synergy?
i saw that the tags(badges) make like 5 packs

[nimble nova]

Maybe it might get a buff from using stuff from packs and make you lose cash for skipping em.

[shell swift]

oh true some of the badges do make a lot of packs
i don't think it's too bad but yea i'd be inclined to rework it now that i'm aware of that

[late basin]

well if there are lots of packs them being free would be nice but if there isn't then it's pretty useless for a legendary
most packs that are generated are typical free
but the 5 tags that make 5ish packs aren't free
and then ortalab makes the "1st" pack free if you have the T2 voucher

[nimble nova]

Guess the shark fella can be tweaked to be a Joker that gets buffed by using stuff from packs, but lose cash from skipping stuff.

[late basin]

i'll see if i can get a Overveiw page set up because seeing all the stats could be interesting

[lavish minnow]

Imagine we get another one set up that’s ortalaB - The Mirror’s Mirror’s Mirror

Just telephone the balatro mod

[late basin]

a Balatro but it was translated too many times mod would be pretty funny probably

[lavish minnow]

I think that exists

[late basin]

nice

[reef cape]

Are we still calling it Virtue?

[dapper timber]

Vice

[lavish minnow]

Would probably be something else

I mean ortalab didn’t call the jokers joker

So this probably would have a different border and a new name

[lavish minnow]

Vices could work

It also gives a bit more room for art

[ivory lotus]

I might do a little for this 🤔

The billiards cards seem really cool

I have a fun idea for the art

i also like vices

sounds cool

[nimble nova]

It's actually funny how I accidentally made a reference to a murder case in real life. (And technically Ace Attorney.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Nf1zWJzTU

Guess Peter can be a grey parrot.

[lavish minnow]

what?

I'm sorry, What do you mean this is a real murder case

[nimble nova]

yeah... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40665520 2017 but ok.

Did I accidently made dark comedy?

[ivory lotus]

Cue Ball

?

[ivory lotus]

???

me when feedback:

[late basin]

maybe an empty board with the sticks instead of the other balls?

[ivory lotus]

mmm

idk

that's kinda what the cue ball does
ya know
hit the other balls

Here it is without the triangle thingy
Didn't make sense

[late basin]

yeah but to highlight it out of the others without cutting off any ball to keep the table feel

cause the other cards are either going to have the Cue ball as well or have the rest of the balls in them i'd assume

[ivory lotus]

I was thinking there would be some indication as to what ball it is
in this case its that trail
in other cases it could just be an outline

[late basin]

that's probably a bit too subtle (i wouldn't mind it)
but we've had that complain for color differences on the Zodiacs in Ortalab

[ivory lotus]

mmm

[late basin]

tho now idk if you could have both the sticks and the cue ball on a card if 16 ball doesn't exist?
i was just wondering if it does but i'll see if i find anything on a 16th ball(that isn't the Cue ball)

[shell swift]

this billiards game used balls numbered up to 21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_pocket_billiards

[late basin]

hmm interesting wonder why i only found Carom/French Billiards' list of the balls when i ask for all of them

[ivory lotus]

here ya go

template

[lavish minnow]

That’s crazy

[lavish minnow]

So what would we do for the others then? we hit them?

[ivory lotus]

idk

should it just be the one ball actually?

[lavish minnow]

Maybe?

[ivory lotus]

because that is so boring

[lavish minnow]

Unrelated a little but thanks to looking for billiards balls... I did find this

https://youtu.be/fFN9Jq7XT8U?si=L0caE6sFmwKyL1dv

[ivory lotus]

idk how to make it interesting

[ivory lotus]

yoo

I'm a coolmath games 8 ball sweat

[lavish minnow]

Also hot take, if we do more billards ball types than the traditional + cue ball...

I think we should have a different look for them than restarting the stripes

for Example: Black Ball, Snooker

[lavish minnow]

Oh my gosh this game has ACTUAL PLANETS AND BASKETBALLS

[nimble nova]

AND GREY LENO-

[lavish minnow]

Imagine: https://youtube.com/shorts/lpAD2dTmr_E?si=pU0r_nUojY-1k2QD

(this is all i can imagine)

[late basin]

on the sheet it already reps some of the solid color balls (not even a number) and a 16th ball the shows up in a baseball style Billiards game (along with balls 17-21 and maybe 22 as well)

[lavish minnow]

Oh?

I didn’t deeply look at the chart

[late basin]

i could tell

[lavish minnow]

Tbf last time i did look, we were ortalab’ing still

[late basin]

yeah some of the "overhall" changes didn't make it to this sheet
but i don't really want to change the ideas here as they're really good imo

[lavish minnow]

Hey, it’s fine to keep it with the outdated if it’s good

Afterall, we didn’t do 1:1 changes in Ortalab over time

[late basin]

right but the ideas that i liked were the one that came from our 1:1 ideas so like 1:1:1

[lavish minnow]

I mean it’s more like 1:1.1:1.1 if that makes sense

(Wait that’s just at that point looks like a test IP address)

[late basin]

in a current since it is that but with what was/is on the sheet it'd look more like 1:1:1

[lavish minnow]

I thought 1:1:1 was like… A->B->A

[late basin]

i was thinking A->B->C
but now some are A->E->C

[lavish minnow]

Ah okay

I get what you mean now

[nimble nova]

You gotta admit, the legendaries for this mod being animals make sense because of the animal cards, right?

[late basin]

i don't really mind what the Legendary theme is more about the effects having some Legendary feel (that could be just with this mod, base game, or it's "parent" mod Ortalab)

[coarse rain]

Congratulations nerds, you created #1267615217613803580 again

[lavish minnow]

I'm sorry, but you do realize that even if you SEE a mod first, that doesn't mean it came out first

Familiar - Started 7/29/2024
Ortalab - Started 3/14/2024

And you do realize this was what the first post of familiar is

[lavish minnow]

So how about this... You don't insult the people here by calling them nerds, get off your high horse, have your Appy Juice and watch your Cocomelon while the adults work on something they enjoy. Okay? Sound good?

Btw, none of this is towards Familiar, I still wanna see how that turns out

[lavish minnow]

Oh and btw, since i see you typing, which means you can see me

This is to give someone ELSE'S idea a chance to be an actual mod

[coarse rain]

First of all no need to fly off the handle for a simple joke. Fine, maybe using "nerds" as an insult was a bit too much
Second of all, how dare you presume i browse cocomelon
I go on shady sites to watch anime like a cool person

[lavish minnow]

No actual cool person goes to shady sites to watch anime.

The fact you had to say "like a cool person" already implies you're trying too hard

You insult someone regardless of joke, you're gonna get insulted back.

The rest is me showing that Ortalab came first, which in either case could be taken as an insult to both familiar and ortalab considering they both shouldn't be compared to each other and instead should be taken as great products by both mod makers.

Saying Familiar is a Clone of Ortalab or Ortalab is a clone of Familiar is a massive insult to both mods imo.

[ivory lotus]

inverse balatro is not incredibly original by nature but ortalab exists as the best possible scenario with high quality content

[lavish minnow]

That is also true. Inversing an inverse with a game of telephone basically. That's just a fun game at that point

[carmine vine]

God, I love telephone games. Always fun to see how they turn out in the end.

[true kite]

I feel like this could be a really cool mod! Maybe it could turn out better than ortalab (i really do not like playing ortalab on the ortalab stakes)

Where can I contribute?

[lavish minnow]

(Ouch)

Contribute here

[true kite]

sorry it's just... I feel like the simple deck fixing and leveling was removed and it just feels wrong. I do not like loteria cards. But at least it adds ESCALERA OOOOOOO

[lavish minnow]

Loteria supremacy

[nimble nova]

I wrote some ideas for some possible designs for the decks for the mod, check em out.

[lavish minnow]

As long as the original decks were still there

Like it’s everyone edit not comment

[nimble nova]

I wrote ideas for Prismatic, Spotted, Employment, Spender, and Brand New btw.

[lavish minnow]

oh in terms of design not effect

my brain thought design as effect

[late basin]

Prismatic Deck is Needs a new name tho
as some of Ortalab's Decks changed, one becoming called Prismatic Deck already

[wooden wave]

originally meant for something else but honestly i think these could fit very well for alternatives of bull and bootstraps

if those don't already exist

[late basin]

out of every thing on the sheet it's only missing 2 tag (aka Badges) effects

idk if Familliar is still being worked on but you could send this to them
this mod is next in line after Ortalab
meaning the alternates are of Ortalab stuff rather than Balatro stuff

[kindred vine]

one ball thats close to the front as the focal point and probably either a cool background and/or have some other balls in the background as filler detail

[kindred vine]

im pretty sure you can turn on vanilla content on the ortalab stakes, unless the stake effects themselves you dont like either

[wooden wave]

guys maybe these are better 💔

no makes sense

[kindred vine]

which

[crude magnet]

feels kinda weird for ophiuchus's replacement to not be a "room" card
like, thats kinda the thing about black hole/ophi, right?

[kindred vine]

i just realised you dissed loteria cards
incorrect opinion
always gamble yippeeeee

[lavish minnow]

Very incorrect opinion by them

ALWAYS GAMBLE

[kindred vine]

rusty card superiority

[late basin]

Maybe the Animals could be one related to a room and one related to billiards? if that's possible

[late basin]

but also that one's effect seems to be "room" like to me it's just instead of Levels its treasures

imo the other one could have an effect more based on the theme of the Billiard effects (which it says is consistency)