79 jokers that are sorta ok i guess

[vivid badger]

feedback welcome :3

[patent folio]

79??????

[vivid badger]

i think so

couldn't be bothered to count em out tho

[patent folio]

There's megathreads and then there's this

You even had to do a file attachment so you could fit them all

[vivid badger]

that happened automatically when i pasted 236 lines in :3

[patent folio]

I haven't looked at them all yet, but these ideas seem pretty well thought out actually

[vivid badger]

thanks :)
i focus more on the design and name than i do on making the jokers sensibly balanced

[patent folio]

I was a bit concerned that having 79 of them meant they might be lacking in quality, but these seem pretty good

[vivid badger]

but i went through a round of rebalancing them all to match joker design guidelines

[patent folio]

I don't think Daydream should be able to copy The Soul or Black Hole

[vivid badger]

uhh
what would you say if i told you that was intentional :3

[broken carbon]

I’ll read it later but someone could make giant mod

[vivid badger]

designed it to be able to copy anything because without that it would probably(?) just be worse hallucination

[patent folio]

It's very clearly intentional since you made a note about it, but I think that's unbalanced

[vivid badger]

fair enough 👍

bunch of these are sidegrades to existing jokers in both design and balance, so hopefully reference points for balance are easy

[patent folio]

Facsimile seems like it's better than Invisible Joker

[vivid badger]

yknow what
idk what i was thinking with that one

it's balanced off of blueprint and brainstorm rather than invis which is probably not the way to go

[patent folio]

Blueprint and Brainstorm are not good balancing points, they're arguably the best and second-best non-Legendary Jokers

[vivid badger]

mhm
i just realized that they were significantly above the other jokers and balancing from invis would have been so much better

[patent folio]

Don't feel dissuaded btw, a lot of these are really cool

[vivid badger]

tysm 💖
i do my best

i have a handful of documents somewhere on cloud storage that contain concepts for as many jokers as are in the game as well as multiple new mechanic systems
those are significantly less cool :3

[patent folio]

How long have you been building this document?

[vivid badger]

took me
um
3-4 days?

i just tossed ideas together when school wasn't bombarding me with work

[patent folio]

You came up with 79 Jokers in 3-4 days??

What kind of dark magic are you using lmao

[vivid badger]

yes

[vivid badger]

it was a loop of
"why isnt there a joker that does [_]"
"ok i made 8 of them"

[patent folio]

Lol I suppose that's one way to do it

[vivid badger]

eg. "why is the only thing for editions on playing cards the aura spectral? seems like a missed opportunity"
-> complete series of jokers built entirely around playing card editions

[supple minnow]

girlie...

79?

[odd frigate]

No way bro 😭

Guess I'll read em all

[ebon oyster]

Fusion reactor is pretty niche

[vivid badger]

79 :3

[supple minnow]

heheodksn dndkskdbdksmsbdkdlsh

[vivid badger]

admittedly it’s one of the worst designs here
but it was too funny to not include

[supple minnow]

mucho texto

[sterile onyx]

Wadahel

[vivid badger]

ig we’re collecting scroll reactions now huh

:3

[ebon oyster]

Alyssa you need to put your mucho texto emoji on this

[supple minnow]

i only have it on my computer

and i cba to get my ass out of bed

[odd frigate]

I know you weren't going for the balance, but I'll give some thoughts anyways

1. Clay pigeon is boring and has too many numbers. I think I'm missing the connection between the ability and the name also.
2. I like the reference but it outclasses photo.
3. This one is interesting. I think common is reasonable for this one though. It's kind of a worse version of the order tho
4. I dunno... I don't see why it should copy the big 2 spectrals. I don't even see how it can
5. I love this one!!
6. Not sure about 2/3. It's pretty easy to get that going. I do like how it teaches new players a good way to get tarots
7. I like this one!
8. Nah. Weird mechanic and very similar to trading card.
9. Interesting. Pretty consistent way to get rid of lower cards
10. Oooh!! Is this permanent level removing? I love this idea either way!!

[patent folio]

Revolver doesn't necessarily outclass photo

One, you have to play 5 cards, and two, you lose out on chad synergy

[odd frigate]

Oh shit you right

Somehow I always played photo with 5 cards

[patent folio]

Does Dropshot remove the levels before or after the hand is scored?

Because if it's before then I think it'll be very hard to use

[odd frigate]

Good point

Didn't consider that

[patent folio]

Bamboo seems fine, but I don't understand why it starts at +2 Mult

[odd frigate]

Though I do still like the idea even otherwise

I thought bamboo seemed a little boring. I dunno why it starts at 2 mult or why it's so comically expensive for a common joker

[patent folio]

Bulletproof Glass and Tempered Glass are very similar, I don't think they should both be added

Of the two, I think Bulletproof Glass is definitely more interesting

Volcanic Glass is... ehh

Space Station is an interesting idea for sure, but I think it's trying to do too much

Flechette Dart is pretty much the textbook example of a winmore Joker

[odd frigate]

Heart locket definitely outclasses lusty joker

Or whatever the red one is

[patent folio]

Prismatic Joker is pretty interesting, I feel like it would fit better in a mod though since vanilla has no quantum enhancements

Repeater's fun, probably remove the held in hand part to make it consistent with other retrigger Jokers

[odd frigate]

Yeah I think that's mime's niche

[patent folio]

Whale is a cool idea; as it is, though, it's most likely going to be outclassed by The Order and The Tribe, so I think it should be demoted to an Uncommon

Nvm I'm stupid The Tribe is X2

I still think it's better as an Uncommon honestly

[odd frigate]

Mint condition is boring

[odd frigate]

Really?

I think it's ok as a rare

3x is pretty big

Also I do like the synergy with Midas mask

[patent folio]

Maybe you're right, I mean Driver's License is similar and it's a Rare

[odd frigate]

Cursed tome is pretty abysmal unless you get it very early

Maybe if it gave a cryptid or something

[patent folio]

Sundial is nice, Diamonds really need more synergy

[odd frigate]

Retrovision looks fun

Wow I love reshuffle

Hmm. I'm not sure just how op suppressor would be, but it's for sure an interesting concept

Wait what does thunderclap even do

There's no benefit

What

😭 that's so ass

Incinerator is also a better trading card

Found footage is interesting

Mosaic is op as hell

Chrysalis and butterfly are alright

[patent folio]

I wouldn't call it "OP as hell", but it could probably be an Uncommon instead (and maybe it doesn't filter cards without enhancements)

[odd frigate]

But that's so many wild cards

[patent folio]

Yeah, but wild cards aren't that good

[odd frigate]

It makes ancient joker trivial

[patent folio]

Yeah maybe

[odd frigate]

They're a free straight flush, or worse, a flush house

[patent folio]

Found Footage is a cool idea, but it mentions a card by name, which is something that vanilla Jokers don't do

[odd frigate]

If you were building before it, it's a shortcut to flush 5 💀

[odd frigate]

Yeah that's the issue with a few

Unfortunate

Fusion reactor looks interesting

Maybe could use a bit of a buff in exchange for halfing your output

[vivid badger]

since I can’t always tell which joker you mean I’ll give it my best guesses

1. clay pigeon hits middle ranks as a ref to target shooting, although 5x on a center straight is certainly something
2. is this revolver? yeah it’s generally better with the caveat of you have to think ever so slightly about the hand you play
3. sorry I have no idea what this is
4. see above ^^ I agree with removing that note from daydream. it can happen since if you pull those from a pack then daydream hits the 1 in 3 it would give them to you in consumable slots
5. thanks 💖 idk which it is tho
6. also, which?
7. see 5
8. assuming it’s either afterburner or cremator? both do seem like slightly powerful thinners
9. see 8 ^^
10. um, dropshot? if so then yeah it’s permanent and intended to parallel constellation sorta

[vivid badger]

before, yeah it’s kinda tough to make work

[vivid badger]

started at 2 because uh I was stupid
and it’s expensive because it felt really easy to scale (but maybe it shouldn’t be outside the normal range)

[vivid badger]

tempered was an afterthought :3

[vivid badger]

😔 sorry about that one

[vivid badger]

heart locket
uhh
heart locket is like a common version of cold snap before i nerfed it

[vivid badger]

what's a quantum enhancement?
anyways yeah sorry it definitely also makes wild cards more useless

[vivid badger]

sure, that was honestly something i was going back and forth between

[vivid badger]

whale was intended to function somewhat alongside drivers' license

[vivid badger]

it made sense in my head until i went and immediately stuck 24 karat after it

[vivid badger]

true
intended as early to middle ante deck fixing where you could pick it up for a couple free deaths and then drop it

[vivid badger]

really? i thought sundial was a little too powerful for how easy it was to use

[vivid badger]

had to pull the file up and check which one that was
thanks :) it's meant to function similarlyish to anaglyph deck's gimmick

[vivid badger]

i'm having trouble balancing suppressor relative to garnet and butterfly

any ideas are absolutely welcome

[vivid badger]

thinning and nothing else

maybe i should buff it to 1 in 2 or 1 in 1?

[vivid badger]

sorry about that one 😔
the design should(?) be fairly self explanatory, and i wanted to do something with all spectrals but couldn't get that to work well

[vivid badger]

it's um
exclusively good with xmult on card trigger (photo, trib, ancient, glass, idol, etc.)
terrible balance i know ;-;

anyways
sorry to both of you for the 79 pings you're gonna return to

thanks for all the feedback 💖

[vivid badger]

shoot i keep forgetting i can turn off reply pings 😔

im an idiot

[broken carbon]

Same heart emoji

[worthy pilot]

flechette dart is kinda cracked

[odd frigate]

1. ah thanks didn't know what a clay pigeon would've been used before actually. interesting!
   2, yeah that's revolver. ah that makes sense.

for the rest of them i ordered them by the order they appear in the msg.txt

[odd frigate]

no worries lol

i like the pings

[odd frigate]

sure!

i think the best idea is to implement this in a mod, to see how it would run

i dunno if 0.05 is going to be crazy or weak as hell

it really depends on which joker you're using

that plus mime plus a bunch of steel/gold cards is going to go WILD

[odd frigate]

Yeah i think 1/2 is pretty reasonable. it is a pretty good thinning card

[odd frigate]

yeah i figured. :( I do like the buff it gives to hc and pair and stuff without it being horribly op

(also i just remembered to stop pinging 😭)

[odd frigate]

yeah i liked that idea. jokers that mess with skipping and tags are real fun

[odd frigate]

for sure. it is pretty good in the early game tho

shit did i ping for that?

whoops

[odd frigate]

lol

😭 i keep firing and forgetting

[odd frigate]

yeah actually i was thinking about that one. that does scale pretty fast

i like it

fun for teaching players about scaling jokers

i think it could have a downside in exchange for going so high though

god i love dropshot!

we gotta mod that in somehow

really creative suggestion

[vivid badger]

no it's ok to ping

[vivid badger]

thank you
it's one of my personal favorites

[white wedge]

I love Sculpture sm, stone cards need more attention 🙏
i didn’t get to read all of them but I’d totally see them being official

[ocean rover]

Hiya! Hopping in to say, as a lead dev of a mod, these are some really good and innovative ideas. Consider sharing more in the future, these are great!

Balance is a little off personally to me, some should probably swap rarities, but at the end of the day the concepts are super unique

[vivid badger]

aw tysm! working on improving balance of stuff, and I’m currently working on a list of boss blinds, new spectrals, and 71 more jokers to match these 79 and total to balatro’s 150 :3

[ocean rover]

Hell yeah, that’s an admirable goal. Are you planning on modding, or is it just for fun?

[vivid badger]

I draft concepts for multiple games in my free time with the knowledge that they’ll never be added
It’s fun

[ocean rover]

Fair. Would you mind if I potentially used some of these ideas as inspiration for my mod?