Hoarder - Uncommon (Hyper)

[fringe ore]

Hoarder (Uncommon)

Create a Negative debuffed Joker when Blind is selected

Blueprint/Brainstorm Compatible: ✅
Perishable Compatible: ✅
Eternal Compatible: ✅
Buy Price: $6
Sell Price: $3

Note:
This cannot spawn legendaries, much like Judgement.

[carmine rain]

Hmmm needs to take 2 joker slots

[fringe ore]

what

why?

[carmine rain]

Think about it, it’s literally a hoarder

[fringe ore]

yeah lore balancing is not good

[carmine rain]

Also because it needs something to balance it out

[fringe ore]

if anything this is too weak

there's no way to un-debuff jokers so its a mid value generator/store blocker

which is its main purpose

store blocking that is

value generating's just an extra perk but even then im worried its a lil weak

[carmine rain]

Actually wait… no… this is pretty much just a money making joker

Wait

No

That joker is overpowered

Swashbuckler basically turns it into a tank

[fringe ore]

yea?

its a cool synergy

like gift card/swashbuckler

[twin swift]

i don't think 1 synergy is enough to determine if a joker is too strong

[fringe ore]

it is not

[carmine rain]

Idk I’m kinda mixed on it

[fringe ore]

photograph is a eh joker outside of one specific synergy

[twin swift]

same

[carmine rain]

Honestly if it creates a negative Debuffed joker it has to be a regular joker. With a sell value of 2$

[fringe ore]

debuffed jokers have less of a sell value anyway

[carmine rain]

Yeah but I mean like a debuffed normal joker

You do not know how many synergies it will work with it

[fringe ore]

if you hit the 3% chance of a legendary spawning i think you deserve the 10$

[twin swift]

the legendaries are a separate thing

they can only spawn from soul

[fringe ore]

there would be a precedent for the wording only spawning normal jokers cause judegement

[twin swift]

what

[fringe ore]

ykw ill make a note of that

[carmine rain]

Dang these are pretty good synergies

I do have to say, I don’t think that the Hoarder Joker should be an Uncommon since it works with so many jokers

I’d say it’s more of a rare

[unborn fable]

because both are common jokers, its a very good and relevant synergy that can happen in every run

[fringe ore]

abstract would be +3 flat mult a round which scales worse than things like RtB, green joker, or supernova
dagger ill give you
campfire would be 0.75x a round which sounds strong until you realize that you lose it each ante

campfire synergizes much better with cartomancer, another on-blind uncommon

given at worst its the same 0.75x a round and at best if you generate emperors or high priestessess you get a lot more

riffraff also has more synergy potential

but given the limit on joker slots that it forces

[lime zinc]

aw hell naw lore balancing balatro

[fringe ore]

i used to be active in the balancing community for a game called town of salem

basically mafia

and lore balancing was a plague

[lime zinc]

yep i was there too, mostly lurking

[fringe ore]

oh lmao i saw the mutual server

yeah before BMG sold it feels like they were hopping on the lore balancing train

now i play blood on the clocktower

[swift bramble]

I think this is cool but idk about it in vanilla, but for modded

[rustic shoal]

Maybe if it was a reverse perishable or something

[lime zinc]

then it'd be very OP

[karmic bane]

I can't believe everyone forgot about temperance.

[torn terrace]

I like it

[fringe ore]

Yeah? That would be one of this joker’s niches

[fringe ore]

Bump

[marble compass]

mfw this is strictly better than cartomancer for campfire

you're getting 1 fodder regardless, but a negative joker sells for quite a bit more than a tarot card

[fringe ore]

You get 1 fodder regardless for cartomancer with the potential for more

[marble compass]

you get 1.1 fodders on average with cartomancer i guess, but its irrelevant compared to the extra $5-6ish that this is making per round

anyways, i feel like this is really good joker, would be probably fine as a rare though

[dire scroll]

This with invisible joker or ankh

[fringe ore]

Ankh would require you to sell out of everything and invisible joker would require the same or crazy luck

[dire scroll]

But you could make debuffed jokers work again

[cerulean pine]

No?

[fringe ore]

Yeah that’s really not that strong if it requires you to sell out of your entire lineup

Also does that work

I don’t make a habit of taking perishables

[fringe ore]

bump

[inner fox]

This needs to be a rare

Also i would make it at end of round for variety

[cerulean pine]

Why would it be a rare, it is bad econ and temp value

[inner fox]

its about same as riff in terms of econ but you also can stockpile it

its great for temprence

[cerulean pine]

And riff raff is common

[inner fox]

esppecally if you have gift card

[cerulean pine]

Riff raff also makes 2 jokers

[inner fox]

and it locks out other jokers from appearing in shops

[inner fox]

1 negitive

negitive

[cerulean pine]

It's not rare level good

[inner fox]

how is it not

you can remove a ton of jokers so your more likely to pull better jokers

and again insane for temprence

[cerulean pine]

It isn't that insane for temperance only a bit better than egg, and in 24 rounds you would only on average remove 1 rare from the pool,

[inner fox]

and a lot of commons and uncommons

and 5-6 dollars a round is better than egg

[cerulean pine]

If you remove every single common that doesn't increase the chance of getting blueprint, or brainstorm, or any other rare joker

[proper lance]

Doesn't feel vanilla

[inner fox]

didnt say that but you can weed out till you get the commons you want

the abilty to sift through any rarity is great

[cerulean pine]

It already isn't that hard to find specific commons

And removing 17 common jokers doesn't even help that much, 6 uncommon isn't even noticeable, 1 rare is useless

[proper lance]

6 uncommons can be the difference between a showman and a constellation

[cerulean pine]

It can be but it isn't likely to be

[inner fox]

even if you wanna argue that its blocking skills isnt that usefull its econ is still great

you can max out a temperace and then sell it

[cerulean pine]

But is it rare great? I don't think so

[inner fox]

not even costing you a slot

arguably yes

[cerulean pine]

Same with gift card though

I would call rocket better and it isn't even rare

[proper lance]

the real downside is that it makes your joker slots really ugly

[inner fox]

true but again it doesnt have sifting abilities

[proper lance]

this is wrong

[inner fox]

good point

[proper lance]

like factually

rocket is +$2 every boss blind this is at least +$3 every selection

[cerulean pine]

Rocket is +1 every blind then after a boss blind +3 then +5...

This is only scaling by +3 if you have perkeo

[proper lance]

I didn't know rocket had exponential scaling

[inner fox]

a temprence every two antes is gonna be way more than rocket can in 8

[proper lance]

(It doesnt)

[cerulean pine]

I never said it did?

[inner fox]

????

what do you mean

[proper lance]

I was referring to how rocket scales 2 dollars every boss blind

you said that rocket increases its scaling by +2 every boss blind

[cerulean pine]

This doesn't scale 3 dollars per round unless you can get a temperance every single round

[proper lance]

You can get a temperance once per ante

Come on

[cerulean pine]

Otherwise it only gives 3-6 dollars a round or 3 to 6 dollars a round a temperance

[cerulean pine]

Not necessarily

[proper lance]

Reroll

[cerulean pine]

I had a run with 0 temperances with tarot voucher t1 and t2 and overstock plus early and opened every Arcana pack

[proper lance]

You didn't roll deep enough

[cerulean pine]

In theory there could be a seed where even if you reroll 1e1000 times you have 0 temperances

[cerulean pine]

There could be one with 0 temperances period

[proper lance]

There isnt

[cerulean pine]

Where's your proof

[proper lance]

There's like 4 billion possible seeds

[proper lance]

To be frank you dont have any proof either you're speaking in theory I dont know why you brought this up

[cerulean pine]

So? Also I think there's more but if you haven't checked every. Single. Seed. You can't say that there is no seed with no temperances

[cerulean pine]

Because it isn't factual that this is better than rocket, also you can't reroll to infinity without econ to infinity

[proper lance]

Rebate

[swift bramble]

Yes it is, if you miss it for 3 rounds then it’ll have +$9 sell value, so the temperance you get will have been increased by $3/round

[native dirge]

doesn’t feel vanilla at all

this has probably been said already but having like a billion jokers in your slots is going to get very messy very quickly

[worldly cloak]

Yes yes yes! We need this

[wanton pebble]

hoarder plus gift card plus swashbuckler
quadratic scaling :3

[vagrant axle]

No

The campfire synergy is huge

Humongous

Also +6 mult every blind is nothing to sneeze at

It's good

Very situational but good

You know what, it's not even that situational

[vagrant axle]

Oh my God I forgot about this

You can store block like crazy

This is good

Considering it only takes one joker slot

This would require some ui reworking

[vagrant axle]

Oops I'm stupid I thought it was 2 random jokers

[fringe ore]

That’s the primary purpose

Store blocking is a fun mechanic

Perkeo is really the only joker that interacts with it

And that’s for consumables

[torn terrace]

Original post

[torn terrace]

Swash

[random token]

This would be TOO OP for Gold Stake stickers

[torn terrace]

I like it