Booster Boxes

[supple aurora]

A third option besides Deck and Stake (only applicable if further updates bring more Jokers into the game).
A Booster Box would be the specific roster of Jokers you can get during a run when choosing the specific Box.
The first Box might contain all the Jokers that are currently in the game. Other Boxes could contain a mix of old and new ones and some might just be completely filled with new Jokers.
This adds more strategy and variety to the game while combating Joker bloat (re-rolling shop thousands of times to find a specific Joker will become harder the more Jokers get added after all).
It could include Box specific legendaries that will be shown on the Box art.

Main thought is to combat joker bloat which could be a problem if more jokers get added. Being able to reliably find certain jokers (which can already be a problem).
Flavorwise I thought this fits the most with these Booster Boxes as in the picture. They are called Booster Boxes, right? (I left trading card games a long time ago)
Any thoughts?

[gentle oyster]

Mucho texto

But I like this idea and it could be fun but also feels a little modded

[supple aurora]

Yeah I was guessing people would say it feels modded since it adds a whole new layer and all.
But I think there are some roguelikes out there that do a similar thing. Where you can choose which pool of items/upgrades to activate for a certain run

[gentle oyster]

Does sound very fun though

[supple aurora]

Speaking of mods:
This might be great for people who run mods as well. A modder could also make a DIY Box where you have to assign a certain number of common, uncommon, rare and legendary jokers and have that be your custom pool for the run. Could be fun

[toxic remnant]

Yeah I feel like that's a great idea especially to be able to showcase and test new jokers

[fluid snow]

This is what I've wanted for any future content updates

Why? It allows us to keep the bonus jokers seperate from C++ in both grind & actual reason for it to be seperate

Im 99% sure I've suggested smth similar in the past in passing remarks- which isn't a complaint, it's to say i wholeheartedly feel this is the best way to add more content to the game

[narrow bough]

My problem with this is that there’ll undoubtedly be some configuration where one set of booster boxes is stronger. But also, being able to disable some chunks of content encourages digging for specific synergies rather than taking what you’re given with a larger pool

I’m fine with this as a mod, might be really cool being able to select which mods you want. However, it’d be a for vanilla personally

[fluid snow]

That first point- I can't really argue on and I see what you mean- that'd definitely be an issue.

On that second point- that only rings true if you leave half of X synergy/build line in each booster box- which is to say it wouldn't be a problem if the boxes are intentionally/well designed.

Basically- people already do that with a pretty good Joker pool that encourages taking whats given and running with it. The booster boxes wouldnt make the problem worse unless they're poorly designed

[narrow bough]

Thing is, if it’s split by updates then there’s a really high potential for having every piece in one box, such as all the current jokers we have in one box

I think something like this could only work if the game was designed for this from the start, makes me think of the Packmaster mod from slay the spire where you can pick a handful of random ‘sets’ to add to the pool

[fluid snow]

What?

I think I'm misunderstanding this

Not thr 2nd half the first part

I don't agree with removing the current 150 joker roster at all- but also don't think it should be "split by update"

Let's say the update adds 50 jokers

A booster box should include a mix of OG and new- and maybe one with all 200 total jokers- but never should one remove the base 150

I assume that's what you were getting at

[narrow bough]

Fair

I’m gonna react to it ⚙️ since it seems like a lot of effort that I don’t think is realistic in vanilla

[fluid snow]

Tbh, my biggest concern/issue is moving the goalpost or grind needed for C++ and such issues

And i think doing that is objectively a bad idea, even if it's just diluting the pool more making the grind so much longer, regardless of if you need to do the new jokers or not

Though I would settle for a DLC toggle

[supple aurora]

My intent at least is for it not to be split by updates.
there would be the OG Box with the og 150 jonklers
The other boxes could be purely new jonksters, or a mix of both old and new. mainly to be interesting combinations. different meta for each box

idk about the C++ worries though, that'll alway be a grind.
Could retain C++ for those that got everything and gold-staked all Jonklers that are in the OG Bog and have a different "C++" like achievement for each Box and a "SUPER C++" when you do all jonklers in the game on gold stake.
A little like Binding of

[next spade]

C+++

[fluid snow]

We agree then?

Don't move where the 100%/C++ is obtained

Add 110% instead

Isaac style

[supple aurora]

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