Pyramid

[echo skiff]

Gains x0.05 Mult whenever you play your most played hand.

forgot to mention it resets when u play a different hand just like obelisk

[rare surge]

ehh

doesnt really affect your strategy

basically supernova 2

[echo skiff]

why does it need to

[rare surge]

well its much more interesting when it does

[echo skiff]

not all jokers have to be interesting

[rare surge]

sure, but you should have to play toward the joker at least a little

this rewards you for doing something you already want to do

you'd only ever consider not taking it due to the eye

[echo skiff]

you could just apply that logic to supernova

[fervent sage]

this is even less engaging than supernova

[echo skiff]

and also its not immediate reward

[fervent sage]

you can just spam high card and then get the xmult for whatever hand you want to play

[echo skiff]

excluding burglar and vouchers its only x0.2 mult per round

[fervent sage]

madness is 0.25x and that has a massive drawback

[rare surge]

madness is slower than that

[fervent sage]

oh right

[echo skiff]

you act like this joker doesnt have its own drawbacks

[rare surge]

madness is x1 per ante

[echo skiff]

every 2 antes

[fervent sage]

the drawback being???

[echo skiff]

you can only play one hand type for the rest of the game or it resets

plus you have to wait for it to scale

[fervent sage]

where did that come from???

[echo skiff]

i forgot to add it

[echo skiff]

but i mentioned it here

[rare surge]

Oh no! I have to play the hand I've already leveled up and deckfixed for? How horrible!

[echo skiff]

if you cant draw it a single time all your x mult is gone

[fervent sage]

okay fine maybe it isnt overpowered then

it's still not very interesting though

[echo skiff]

pretty big drawback for 5 card hands and blue stake and above

[echo skiff]

i agree

i was just bored and wanted a different version of obelisk

im not good with unique ideas

[rare surge]

not every idea is a winner

[echo skiff]

most ideas arent

but you miss all the shots you dont take

[gusty agate]

Qhat?

Isnt it 0.5x each small/big

For 1x an ante?

[echo skiff]

wait i thought it was 0.25x for small and big

am i stupid

[clever sky]

It’s 1x an ante what

[echo skiff]

yeah im stupid i remember now

[clever sky]

Yeah

[echo skiff]

im stupid

im stupid

im stupid

im stupid

[rare surge]

They miscorrected me and I decided I probably misremembered

[devout dune]

jimball

[hybrid canopy]

This is jimball, but that was already said. But madness is +1x mult an ante, right?

[surreal cairn]

Haters hating, this is a fine idea

“It’s not interesting” when most scaling multi are “grows when u add card” or “grows when u buy planet”. Just coping.

[surreal cairn]

This complaint also implies that “deck fixing” is objective, like if you’re building for straights there may never be a time you can’t play a straight and Pyramid would reset

[rare surge]

yeah that's literally just straights

oh boy it's slightly more interesting for one of the worse hand types

[surreal cairn]

You’re just complaining to complain but you can make this same cringe argument for +0.1x mult for every planet, except there’s actually no downside and it’s less interesting because it’s applicable to literally every deck

[rare surge]

I also think that's boring

[fathom current]

Balatro should move away from stocking stuffers/ roaster fillers like this.

More unique ideas are better. Not to discourage this person though

[devout dune]

is it just me or does this exate fella seem more like a hater than any of us

"you dont like a suggestion i like? fuck you"

[surreal cairn]

Yes I’m a hater hater

This is true

[fathom current]

Yeah....

[devout dune]

i like the honesty

[surreal cairn]

If the hate adds nothing of value I think it’s cringe

[devout dune]

that much is fair too

hate should be justified

[surreal cairn]

“This is boring” well good thing ur not a game designer because half the jokers would be tossed out with that logic. I’d argue half the jokers in this game independently are “boring”, they synergize and make interesting runs, that’s what’s fun

[fathom current]

More unique ideas can still synergise

[surreal cairn]

Sure, I didn’t say otherwise

[fathom current]

And again I do agree we need the roaster fillers but like at the point we are at now more unique ideas I personally think are the direction things should go

[devout dune]

yeah we have enough filler rn

take the jolly joker series for example Ⓜ️

[rare surge]

I think new Jokers should focus on quality, not quantity
150 Jokers is surely quantity enough, right?

[devout dune]

all of those are unoriginal and boring

[fathom current]

Thats all personal option I know but its a common feeling

[devout dune]

for sure

[fervent sage]

the fact that half of the preexisting jokers are boring means that more interesting jokers should be added...

[surreal cairn]

But I find this to be an interesting joker and with more downsides than even the current mult scaling existing ones

[fervent sage]

ima be honest this just encourages pair/high card even more

[surreal cairn]

You can say park the bus is boring because oh just never play a face card. Yes if you go to the case where you have solved the joker and integrate it to your deck, gg that’s the point

[fathom current]

Darn it stole it from me

[short fern]

They done made jimball💔

[devout dune]

thats what i said

!!!

[torpid kelp]

i love pairslop

om nom nom nom

[fathom current]

We need more 2 pair jokers

Sigh

[fervent sage]

ride the bus is boring
the point here is not that boring jokers can't exist, it's that we already have enough of them
when suggesting new content to be added to the game, it should encourage different strategies instead of the one that's already the best

[surreal cairn]

I find it strange to put an arbitrary limit on simple but executable jokers

It also implies that they can’t both exist simultaneously

[fathom current]

Not a limit its a ratio imbalance

And I mean you can have unique simple jokers

The main problem is personally think is that the filler are a lot of alterations on the same concepts

[fervent sage]

the joker itself is also just uninteractive

[surreal cairn]

You may get this joker early and not have something super established, and can’t justify building it up (like obelisk), or you may get it late and can’t justify selling a current joker for the scaling it gives.

There would be thought behind buying it, if I’m on ante 3 and I’ve played a bunch of different hands, pairs three of a kind full house etc, I’d have to justify switching gears to one hand type for the slow scaling, maybe it would work maybe not, there would be some strategy and thought put into it

If it’s ante 7 and I see it, I have to sell a joker I’ve built around for the 0.05 scaling instead. This joker would be satisfying to hit just right.

[fervent sage]

and by "hit just right" you mean pick it up along with green joker and play pairs for the rest of the game

[surreal cairn]

Not necessarily. You could argue 0.05 is too much and I’d just have to see how it plays balance-wise to know, but if it’s 0.01 for example this would be fun to pair with a bunch of things. Also scaling in this game is fun, if u disagree I declare your opinion is wrong

Watching the numbers go up as you scale = dopamine

[surreal cairn]

Every card triggered in your most played hand adds 0.01 mult. Fixed it for you

[fathom current]

If thats true then joker joker gains 1000 ^mult for each time a joker is triggered is the best joker ever

[surreal cairn]

High card gets 0.01, pair with splash to make it better, straights etc get 0.05

[fervent sage]

stone cards

which are already part of the pair builds

[surreal cairn]

Yes this is called strategy

And deck building

Welcome to balatro

[fervent sage]

no this is called promoting a strategy that doesn't need to be promoted

[fathom current]

Thats called adding more power to a hand type that already has its self dominating the meta

2 pairs need the attention

[surreal cairn]

Two pairs benefit off what I said two bro

[fathom current]

2 pairs and straights need love

[fathom current]

Far far less then playing optimally with high card in the majority of situations

[surreal cairn]

Two pairs get 0.04 by default, pairs need to spend money on tarots to convert stone cards to keep up

Or get splash

[fervent sage]

and then you get unlucky and doesn't draw a two pair and die

[surreal cairn]

Which is synergy

[surreal cairn]

Also welcome to balatro, this happens today

the addition of this card would not add this concept to the game

[fervent sage]

thats the reason people play pairs instead of two pairs???

[hybrid canopy]

Hey Lazer nice alt account, but please quit beefing with everyone

[torpid kelp]

crazy theory

[surreal cairn]

What’s your point. Because some people opt for an easy option you can’t add a card that would reward a riskier option?

[fathom current]

The card doesn't though??? It plays into the easy cards types more

[surreal cairn]

You must have missed my suggestion. I said it adds 0.01 for each triggered card on your most played hand. Therefore: pair = 0.02 (unless you deck build and add synergies, like stone/splash). two pair = 0.04.

[fervent sage]

would you rather:

• play pairs/high card and make up for the lost mult with stone/retriggers
  or
• play two pairs and have a chance of your xmult nuking itself on the spot

[fathom current]

You literally need to have two pair every single hand

Thats so risky

You are gonna explode and die if you go that way

[surreal cairn]

No balls

[surreal cairn]

This is only applicable to a late game deck for pairs

If you are early or mid anti

You have to be in a position where pairs alone are beating the scaling

[fathom current]

No you can spam pairs from the start

Like ante 2 level stuff obviously

[fervent sage]

you say that as if two pairs are beating the scaling easily

[fathom current]

2 pairs my child

[surreal cairn]

I will say I do think two pairs default should be higher

Two pair has been snuffed

But none of this changes my argument about the joker itself

[fervent sage]

like

[surreal cairn]

If I saw this shiet early im copping it and getting 0.4x every two pair or bust

[fervent sage]

what hand are you supposed to be using with this if not pair/high card

[surreal cairn]

Flush

[fervent sage]

ah yes, flush, the hand that is known for playing 4 hands a round

[surreal cairn]

Wait a second

[fathom current]

Well flush is actually better with that

Thatd be .5

[surreal cairn]

Am I playing with noobs who have never tanked early game to scale

[fervent sage]

of course you're pulling out this argument

[fathom current]

Your literally argueing against the optimal plays and instead arguing insane risk is optimal

[fervent sage]

oh well

[hybrid canopy]

What if you guys just ignore them

[surreal cairn]

Yall don’t understand the euphoria of playing all your hands to barely pass the ante

[fervent sage]

good idea

[surreal cairn]

Cuz talking about balatro is fun

[hybrid canopy]

I'm going to try

[hybrid canopy]

Talking to you isn't

[surreal cairn]

Cuz I disagree with your opinion

That’s brave

[hybrid canopy]

No because you're annoying

[fathom current]

Nah actually I love talking to people that disagree with me

Especially if they make good points

[hybrid canopy]

Don't worry I'm too

[devout dune]

yeah

[fervent sage]

hi too

[fathom current]

But alas this was not one of those times

[devout dune]

i dislike arguing with baseless haters

[hybrid canopy]

This is so true

[surreal cairn]

This is just cope because yall came in to hate on this idea and just had a discussion with someone who gave you valid ways it could be played

[hybrid canopy]

-I'm dad

[fervent sage]

im bored

[hybrid canopy]

R/main character syndrome

[fathom current]

We should all collectively talk about 2 pairs

Oh two pair my beloved

[surreal cairn]

More cope

[hybrid canopy]

I have a question to explain everything

Are you American?

[fervent sage]

2 pairs is pretty cool pants just never appear for me though

[fathom current]

Thats honestly the truest thing ive heard all day

[surreal cairn]

Its easy to come into the majority side of a discussion and just derail it with random unrelated bs

[fervent sage]

correction: pants always appear, but on ante 6

[surreal cairn]

Not impressive

[hybrid canopy]

2pair is a fun hand. But pants are the only strict synergy with it, so we don't get to play with uranus

[fathom current]

You made the same argument that was argued against

The conversation has just moved on

[hybrid canopy]

And then the ante 7 big blind, fucks me by giving me 0 2pairs

[surreal cairn]

Not addressing u

[hybrid canopy]

Are you American or not

[fathom current]

Yeah 2 pair might honestly be my favorite hand type to make jokers about

[surreal cairn]

I’m addressing the guy who sat back and watched a discussion and randomly chimed in on the majority side to derail it. Extremely unimpressive

[hybrid canopy]

• Plugs ears * "lalalalalalal" ahh response

[surreal cairn]

That’s what u did lil bro

[hybrid canopy]

I was gonna reponsed but I had school

[devout dune]

do me a favor

block that one asap

they only exist to ragebait in suggestions

[fathom current]

Yes

Agreed

[surreal cairn]

Well I enjoy being combative but to actually have a discussion in the end

Way more fun

[devout dune]

yeah for sure

civil discussions are more fun than heated arguments any day

[hybrid canopy]

I just thought that jimball 2 wasn't fun

I'm sorry, but you sound like Lazer, and Lazer was a bit insane.

[surreal cairn]

No I just like to defend people who receive low tier hate. This was a more genuine discussion beyond just “this is boring and your idea is bad”.

People say shit like that just for the dopamine of it without any substance

I still personally like the idea but it could use some tweaks

No idea who lazer is

[hybrid canopy]

Okay. we identify the problem, then say what you'd think would make it better. Rinse and repeat

[fathom current]

Incorrect he'd restate the original fix

[surreal cairn]

Hey I didn’t do that

[fathom current]

Well anyway let's not give them anymore time of day

Im gonna go rest

[surreal cairn]

We came up with a better W for two pair and ur mad

Unlucky

Doesn’t wanna see two pair actually succeed

[hybrid canopy]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1225963081952395374

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1233191517204643972

[surreal cairn]

Damn bros linking discussions from 4 months ago

Was laser this impactful

Sent ripples through the server

For months

[hybrid canopy]

When did I say I was mad. Also that's not what I was responding to

[torpid kelp]

honestly i feel like he was a contrarian but also somehow he seemed very adamant about his takes

basically he didnt like the fun suggestions

[surreal cairn]

No i was replying to rex not u

Retex*

[hybrid canopy]

I thought you were like them. Didn't realize you were actually chill like that

[surreal cairn]

I mean again I’m definitely combative don’t get me wrong but I do it to make an interesting discussion. Some people aren’t built to handle it tho

[hybrid canopy]

Oh sorry. W for 2pair is always good

[surreal cairn]

I love fun suggestions

[hybrid canopy]

Well you succeed. If you couldn't already tell

[torpid kelp]

yahoo

[hybrid canopy]

Who doesn't

[surreal cairn]

Laser apparently

[hybrid canopy]

Except that possibly high dude

[lunar hound]

honestly the concept itself just promotes pair spam more which i think doesnt need more jokers to suppirt it

is my take on this

because on 5 card one shot hands youre not gonna use an extra 0.05x mult every round effectively

[wet fox]

the difference is that it changes how you play the game