Rube Jokesberg - Common $5

[night crescent]

When a hand is played, if any extra effect is activated before a hand is played, when a played card is scored, and for a held in hand effect, this Joker gains +2 Mult. (Currently, +0 mult).

[hallow vessel]

what????

i

huh

what

[night crescent]

This joker scales if in a single hand something happens before the cards are scored (e.g. spaceman levels up the hand or runner adds extra chips to itself), something happens during the scoring of the individual cards (beyond just chips, e.g. an edition is scored, or hack retriggers a 4), and something happens to a held in hand card, (e.g. Baron or Steel).

If something happens during all three phases, this joker gains +2 flat mult.

The theming is a Rube Goldberg machine:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9_6TUgWmP6I

[hallow vessel]

wayy too complicated first of all, and it isnt even all that good, very situational

[olive tundra]

Does the joker trigger on seals and enchantments or just other jokers?

[night crescent]

It triggers on seals and enhancements

Though, I can't recall any non joker effect that occurs before hand scoring occurs. So it is, unfortunately not completely possible to trigger without some joker.

At least not in vanilla.

[olive tundra]

I'm not sure how it could be used?

[night crescent]

Well, it is a $5 common. I didn't want to outscale better jokers.

[olive tundra]

Because of the first req

[hallow vessel]

still too complicated tbh

especially for a common

[night crescent]

If you're playing, for instance, straights and need a flat mult source, you can pair it with a runner, and as long as you have e.g. a red seal or a mult card, and a steel card in hand then this scales.

[olive tundra]

How bout the first req

[night crescent]

That's runner

Runner triggers before scoring (to upgrade itself) when it detects a straight being played.

[olive tundra]

Oh that makes sense

[night crescent]

I mean, that is a fair criticism, though, the complexity is based on the theming. It might just be a bad idea for a theme for a Joker.

[olive tundra]

So it works best with jokers that scale when hands are played like green, runner, pants, e.t.c

[night crescent]

Yes, or spaceman

[olive tundra]

Not really its just the way it is written

[hallow vessel]

i get that but i mean like every other joker in the game is less complex

even obelisk

[olive tundra]

It could just be when another joker scales gain +2 mult

[hallow vessel]

well thats not all

it has to be something before the hand scores, something during the hand score, and something from held in hand effects

[night crescent]

Yup

[olive tundra]

Ok so it's a big and statement

[night crescent]

I could write is shorter as:

Gains +2 mult whenever an extra effect is triggered in each phase of scoring.

But that begs the question of what is a phase of scoring.

[brisk kestrel]

I respect the attempt but it’s kinda doomed from the start to not be vanilla-esque

[night crescent]

Yeah, maybe someone else has a better idea for the same theme

[olive tundra]

Idk how I would incorporate all phases into a joker but a joker that gain +0.1x when a joker scales or upgrades would be interesting (though it would scale very fast with something like green Joker)

[night crescent]

that would outscale most other xmult jokers though.

like, Castle scales for each discard.

[hallow vessel]

correction, it scales for each discarded card

[night crescent]

Yes. sorry that's what I meant

which makes it scale 2.3 times faster than yorick

(at least)

[hallow vessel]

yes but yorick’s a xmult scaler and castle is a chips scaler

[night crescent]

You realize this is in response to rom's idea to make this joker an xmult joker that scales whenever another joker scales?

[hallow vessel]

oh

ohh

sorry