Backup plan (rare)

[grave sphinx]

this joker gains .5 Xmult if played poker hand contains 4 cards and cards held in hand can make the poker hand as well

i dont know how i would word it so it wouldnt work with stone cards or splash i think it reads like that but i am not sure

[wintry wadi]

You could just remove the scoring party

*part

That's all you want, right?

[grave sphinx]

yes

yes it is

thanks

[grave sphinx]

What do yall think? Also I dont know what I should call it i was thinking RCA but idk

[viral mountain]

this is basically a two pair joker

we do need more of those

[crystal bough]

Consider: if played hand type is also held in hand, 1x mult for each scoring card

[grave sphinx]

Yay I did it my goal was achived

[crystal bough]

You can play 3oak and get 3x, or just stick with 2x pairs which seems cool

[grave sphinx]

I mean with that splash gives a high card a 5x

[fringe spear]

4x two pair 🤤🤤

[crystal bough]

Consider: funny

[grave sphinx]

But also doesn't that overlap with and dio and trio

[fringe spear]

Flexibility and risk vs reward; flushes and 5oak can now payout 5x

[crystal bough]

Not necessarily, you do still need to hold the hand. As a rare it’s chill

[fringe spear]

You thought it was the Duo, but it was I!

[grave sphinx]

I guess yeah

And I mean its cool to work towards unlocking the 5 card hands

Because if you played a five card hand you'd need hand size 10 have it also in hand

Thats what I thought was coolest when I made it

So 5x for those is actually cool

[fringe spear]

"X0 mult. Increases by X1 per scoring card if played hand type is also held in hand."? Or is this X2 on HC and X6 for 5oak

[crystal bough]

Me with my Checkered Deck run with Juggler + 4 Fingers + this joker to get 5x mult on a flush 🔥🔥

[fringe spear]

Wait my description doesn't work, as if you DONT have the played hand held in hand, you're down to 0 mult

Ignoreth me

[grave sphinx]

X0 instant loss

[crystal bough]

Yo this joker actually goes crazy on checkered and painted deck

[grave sphinx]

Yeah painted deck is sick and thats fun

Checked may be too good tbough

[crystal bough]

Tbf there’s a lot of things too good with checkered (like smeared joker )

You do need +2 handsize to activate it on checkered and honestly that’s fair

[grave sphinx]

Something thats already the goal for checkered

Hmmm well do we go with yours or the og?

[crystal bough]

I think the og isn’t bad, just a bit too specific and hard to trigger - you’d need to hold 4 different 2 pairs at once or 2 4oaks to activate it

I kinda like mine cause it’s flexible and wants you to do big hands without forcing it

[grave sphinx]

I like them both (since mine is permanent x mult its not entirely that non flexible)

I do think i prefer yours though

Updated

[grave sphinx]

Does backup plan work as a name?

[fringe spear]

"The B team"/j

Yeah that works

[grave sphinx]

Backup plan (rare)

[crystal bough]

@grave sphinx idea to make it more balanced with splash: if played hand type is the highest ranked hand type held in hand, 1x mult for each scoring card

So if you play a pair, it doesn’t work if you also hold a 3oak

Not sure if it needs it, just an idea

[grave sphinx]

Idk if i like that as much

I mean it does encourage 5 card hands even more with that

[crystal bough]

Yeahhh me neither, just a literal shower thought

[grave sphinx]

I mean the way I wrote it was so its the amount of cards in the poker hand and not the scoring hand

Witch makes 4 fingers better

[grave sphinx]

Absolutely fair

[crystal bough]

The beta gamer simply plays Balatro, the sigma Balatro connoisseur ponders about Discord suggestions while showering 🐺

[open pike]

Intresting concept. I know this is supposed to favor larger hands but in practice would it really turn out that way? Like for 5 card hands you'll need to have at least +2 handsize and a good draw. 4OAK/2Pair might make it work but needs immense deckfixing. 3OAK would probably make fair use of this. At the end of the day I think it boils down to an offbrand duo for most use cases? Not sure, maybe just needs playtesting to get a feel for it

[grave sphinx]

Yeah i personally think its a great pair joker and then eventually a great flush 5 joker with not much in the middle

[open pike]

Not even a great flush5 joker imo. Flush5 builds are usually running some sort of xmult on score (ex: ancient, trib, lucky cat sorta, etc) and any retrigger joker would quickly outscale a potential 5x this joker can offer

[crystal bough]

It’s a straight joker smh

[open pike]

And again you need +2 handsize for that to even be considered

[grave sphinx]

Went from 2 pair to straights and pair

Yup

Your right

What did you think of the og idea?

Since the xmult is gained it the lucky draw is more useful

And it doesn't do anything for the low hand types

[open pike]

I like the previous version since you can scale it and don't need to be reliant on consistent lucky draws

[grave sphinx]

Alright i am gonna switch it back

As I want 2 pair

[crystal bough]

In that case it should be uncommon maybe?

[grave sphinx]

Maybe

Idk id like to play test it

It is something you gotta build around

Oh openitionant entity where are you

[fringe spear]

I feel like .5 might be too steep if it's permanent scaling

[open pike]

It is a very hard condition to get going imo

Seems like a fair trade off

[fringe spear]

Itd be hard to make work in 4oak; but with the amount of hand size increases, and ease of deckfixing in 2s (always affecting two cards) itd be a clear take in any run pre ante 5-6

Since during those early antes, you still have time to deckfix without the pressure of needing Xmult.

Still think the idea rocks tho

[grave sphinx]

Sick sweet finally got a good one

And more importantly validation

[simple trellis]

I have this implemented, if anyone wants to donate art.

[open pike]

What do you have in mind for artwork

I’m not exactly sure what would fit this

[simple trellis]

Not my joker, but if it falls to me, I'd probably try to make two pieces of notebook paper labeled A and B with the one labeled A torn in two

[open pike]

Wait actually I had an idea; what if it were a manilla folder with some loose documents pointing out, stamped with a big ol’ B on the outside and replacing the normal ‘confidential’, you have the joker text

[grave sphinx]

I was personally thinking its be a plan on a crate with daggers and lamps lighting it like a crimanal plan thats being revised

[grave sphinx]

i like this too

i made a quick mock up in blender of my idea

and now that i have it i think its a bit much

[grave sphinx]

something like this?

[open pike]

yooo that's fire!

I think some minor adjustments to proportions could be made to keep it a lil more consistent w/ other jokers (like having the folder be in portrait position) but that's so good :)

[grave sphinx]

i can do that

[balmy bay]

Send final version PLS

When its ready

[grave sphinx]

of course

and ill actual export it instead of a screenshot

[grave sphinx]

thoughts?

its not perfect and i refused to redraw it so now its got mixels

also the background is litterally a image off google downscaled

[balmy bay]

Mm I liked it better when it was horizontal

[grave sphinx]

me too

but someone...

[crystal bough]

Make the joker text rotated

[grave sphinx]

i am gonna add a coffee stain i think

[balmy bay]

Just make it fit and above and bellow add desktop things?

[balmy bay]

Wouldnt that be so weird?

A rotated art joker?

[crystal bough]

Might be neat to have one like that

[balmy bay]

Idk about that one

[balmy bay]

Bruh your the artist, you should prevail...

[grave sphinx]

it was their idea

[balmy bay]

But is your art...

[grave sphinx]

so she deserves some input

i guess

[balmy bay]

But is YOUR JOKER

And anyway

I dont care whose Joker is

Its just clearly better horizontally

And the A whith a cross doesnt make sense...

Like the "inside lore of the joker art" was that it was a random dirty folder until it needed to appear

[grave sphinx]

yeah i agree

[balmy bay]

No hate, the B looks like a 8

[grave sphinx]

also agree

the paper in generall looked better on the og

[balmy bay]

You should make it horizontally, the folder looking like the abandoned deck, and sitting on a open desk drawer

[grave sphinx]

that sounds like a lot of work though...

it would be cool

but also less easy

[viral mountain]

what if it was two papers on a table with the paper labeled A crumpled or torn?

[grave sphinx]

so like omniscient entities idea

ill revisit the art sometime i think

but i currently dont feel like doing that work

[balmy bay]

This was my vision

An open drawer whith the folder

And desktop stuff

[grave sphinx]

not bad

[balmy bay]

Clearly Im not an artist

[grave sphinx]

lol

its gets the idea across fine

[balmy bay]

Thx

[simple trellis]

I am not confident that you'll be able to convey that in 71x95 pixels though.

[grave sphinx]

i am trying it does not look like a drawer

which one did you like most btw

lets just toss one it

[balmy bay]

It doesnt?

I thought it could be done easily

[balmy bay]

I guess its not

[grave sphinx]

see for yourself

just not enough space really

and esspecally not enough talent

[balmy bay]

I see the issue

[grave sphinx]

ive never tried to do perspective with pixel art

[balmy bay]

1. Give it some 3D like I did

2. Give it some space to the sides

3. Make the sides not perfectly parallel maybe?

[grave sphinx]

i mean the first 2 i agree

[balmy bay]

Bruh your amazing

[polar belfry]

It could be a condom with a red x over it and a wire hanger underneath with a green checkmark next to it

[grave sphinx]

we are absulutly not doing that idea

[balmy bay]

WTF

[polar belfry]

I'm jk

[grave sphinx]

sure you were...

[balmy bay]

Sure...

[polar belfry]

I guess you guys don't do jokes

Kinda ironic

[open pike]

Erm 😭

[grave sphinx]

it did not read like a joke

[open pike]

Mm fair fair

[polar belfry]

Perhaps your reading comprehension is the issue

[open pike]

Unfortunate part of doing joker art 😔

[grave sphinx]

exactly

i think ill put together a makeship last one and if anyone wants better art we can wait

so is a rotated copy of the og okay?

[polar belfry]

Serious suggestion: Broken key and a hammer

[simple trellis]

That is an absolutely vile joke holy shit.

[polar belfry]

Thank you

[simple trellis]

It wasn't a compliment.

[balmy bay]

It was kinda weird TBH

[simple trellis]

I like this layout.

[balmy bay]

If you cant fit the drawer because of space, just make it sit in a desktop

And add some pens and a coffee mug on top

Random suggestion: Dont make the paper perfect white, because I dont know why but it kinda looks weird...? But you decide

[grave sphinx]

ill make it .00000001% red just for you

and not .000000001%

[simple trellis]

Real paper tends to be very slightly yellow typically

[balmy bay]

Maybe make the oaoer kinda yellowish 🫣 ?

Paper*

[balmy bay]

Timing

[grave sphinx]

i know i know

[balmy bay]

Or whith some texture

[simple trellis]

#FFFFF0 maybe

[balmy bay]

You're incredible man 😭

[grave sphinx]

i went with is #fbf8f0 idk i dont like yellow paper

thats the new colors btw

[balmy bay]

@grave sphinx how is it going?

[grave sphinx]

not great

[fair elk]

Ooooh

[grave sphinx]

oooohh?

[fair elk]

What exactly are you using to draw these?

[balmy bay]

Mmm thicker pen maybe

[grave sphinx]

aseprite

[fair elk]

Ah I’ve definitely have heard of aseprite

[grave sphinx]

of course

[balmy bay]

and why not use the circle/oval tool for the mug

[grave sphinx]

its a good tool after all

[grave sphinx]

doesnt look good just trust me

[balmy bay]

Ok so then change the handle

Give it some sharper shadows like where it attachs to the mug ?, so it looks more 3d basicly

[open pike]

I think there’s a mixed perspective here going on between both the folder and the mug

Have you tried using a rough two point perspective

[grave sphinx]

there is

never on pixel art

her it is all from above

@simple trellis i think im done

im fine with this

[simple trellis]

I'll need to handle this in a few hours. I'm afk getting an eye exam.

My vision is exactly as awful as it was last year 🎉

[grave sphinx]

congrats!

[balmy bay]

Cool result

[grave sphinx]

it works

[simple trellis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-kqHnYGm44

(I made two minor edits to the art, the first was just a small white border around the card, which I felt lends a little bit of depth, and it's common for vanilla jokers (e.g. Castle), the second is a small coffee stain on the folder, because it thought it was cute.)

(make that 3 edits, your image was also one pixel too tall, so I removed one pixel from the bottom)

[grave sphinx]

I thought so...

And I love the coffee stain

And I forgot the border yeah

[grave sphinx]

oh no two pair is too good now

[crystal bough]

+3 handsize would do that for you

[grave sphinx]

correct

it feels much more ballenced on blue deck

[tired spade]

Where can download it

[grave sphinx]

Its part of a larger mod and I see you already got to it

https://github.com/OmnipotentEntity/DiscordVanilla

Tell me your thoughts on the joker if you get the chance to use it

[tired spade]

Oh!!!

[grave sphinx]

Yeah I think you already got it lol

This is the joker im most proud of so I hope you enjoy it