#[Finisher Blind] Copper Coin

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wanton elbow
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Half of your playing cards (rounded down), are dealt and then immediately discarded when the blind begins.

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tawny ibex
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Me with a hit the road deck 🔥🔥

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Me with ramen mr_bones

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I think it’s genuinely a good idea but might be bad for the meta, it’d make playing straights and other hard hands even harder and not hurt pairs

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📈 I’m gonna invest in this suggestion cause it might have potential

faint palm
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wha

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📈 is usually winmore

tawny ibex
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I’M INVESTING

primal axle
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There is ☝️, nope, 🟰, and ♻️ / again, anything else is purely fan theory to the Suggestion Chat lore

faint palm
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also the less popular yep and ehh (theyre less popular because only i can use them)

weak plank
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this is really cool idea actually

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I would change the wording from discarded to removed, or something along those lines for reasons stated above

lean path
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I mean that adds confusion for no reason

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Discard works fine

weak plank
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or perhaps simply " only half your deck is dealt"

weak plank
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this would not be a discard unless you want it to activate purple seals and stuff like that

lean path
weak plank
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and hit the road, and descales grimbo, and is a discard in every way

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descales ramen

lean path
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I dont see how thats a bad thing

primal axle
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Or, separately "when Blind is selected, 1/2 cards in your total deck become undrawable for rest of round." To make OA6 instant death

weak plank
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i think it would be odd for one of the boss blinds to instantly activate half your purple seals, rebate, faceless, and scale yorick 1X

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htr would go nuts as previously stated

primal axle
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I do agree w them tho

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It is a finisher

lean path
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htr would get a little boost (and hook arguable can scale it more)

primal axle
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If it was a non-finisher and less of the deck, id be more on-board with it triggering discard effects

weak plank
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anyways it's clear the point of this is to only play with half your deck, not to benefit discard builds

lean path
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oh wait its half your deck

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i thought first hand was halfved

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yeah discard might not be perfect

primal axle
lean path
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still i dont like adding new terminology even if it is fine

weak plank
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what is the new term

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deal? remove?

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i feel like the word deal or dealt is somewhere in the game

lean path
lean path
primal axle
lean path
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its still true technically

primal axle
primal axle
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But cards being dealt, to me, implies they're usable. You don't "deal" a card the receiver doesn't use

weak plank
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and then cards drawn from the deck

primal axle
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I don't recall dealt as a term in any way in Balatro; and the closest we get to IRl "dealing" is drawing cards

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Unless you meant in the case of this Boss

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In which case, ig; worded counterintuitively but not incorrectly

weak plank
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yeah, turns out I was wrong... well whatever word you use for how the deck is placed on the "table", just say you're doing half of that instead of the full deck.

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using the word dealt makes sense to me though, since they come in from off screen

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drawing a card is taking a card from somewhere, being dealt a card is being given a card

primal axle
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Dealt cards are randomly removed from the deck: otherwise it'd just be a regular round

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If half the deck is "dealt" you either draw half the deck upfront, or it wasnt "dealt"

primal axle
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They aren't being discarded they've already been discarded

weak plank
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"Start with half your full deck"

primal axle
weak plank
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just remove The need for a verb all together

lean path
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well i had a suggestion

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for the effect

weak plank
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-# I am learning a lot about card game terminology though

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primal axle
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"Starts with a random half of your full deck removed" is slightly more in-line with other Finishers ("Flips and shuffles...", "Forces 1 card...") ("One random Joker debuffed each hand")

primal axle
lean path
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what if instead its a 50/50 for if A-6 is not drawable and 7-K is not drawable

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so then its better for straights

primal axle
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Even just dividing them into X piles isn't "dealing" its "dividing"

lean path
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and how a coin has heads and tails

primal axle
lean path
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8 vs 5?

primal axle
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Seperate from other balancing stuff, faces are much stronger and should be part of a smaller group of ranks if we divide small vs big ranks

lean path
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i guess thats fair

weak plank
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meh

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not a fan tbh

primal axle
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Hack targets 4 vs Buskin's 3; and I'd say there's a clear stronger one there even given that additional rank

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Its the Plant except a 50/50 and your version kills ALL high rank hands unless you like Aces

weak plank
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I just don't like that it polarizes the effect of the blind

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like if it only does half the ranks, and you'd actually deck fixed throughout the run, then it just removes a few cards you didn't want anyways and is a huge huge huge benefit, or it just ends your run

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I'd rather it always take half your deck no matter what, instead of the high variance

lean path
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i am just trying to make straights more viable with it

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but agreed

robust arrow
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are dealt? dont understand that

graceful juniper
faint palm
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indifferent

primal axle
primal axle
primal axle
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Be clearer to its purpose? (50% of your deck is removed and can't be drawn during the blind)

tawny ibex
primal axle
tawny ibex
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Maybe “the bottom half of your deck cannot be drawn”?

weary fog
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Honestly, I don't know about this idea
Starting with half your deck gone doesn't affect you unless you cycle through half your deck
Let's say you use 1 hand and 3 discards to beat the Blind, and all of them are 5 cards each. Also, we'll say you have 7 hand size and 52 cards in your deck.
With 7 cards initially and 15 more cycled through to find your winning hand, you draw a total of 22 cards, which is less than the 26 that you'd need to draw to even notice this Boss's effect.

tawny ibex
primal axle
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Maybe "draw pile"

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Wait nahhh

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You said deck not full deck

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So wording has 0 possible other meanings i can detect

weary fog
primal axle
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Unless you're very heavily deckfixrd, what happens if the cards you need are in that 50%

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Now; that does add difficulties to it, but also makes it HEAVILY rng dependant

weary fog
primal axle
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To the point of being able to shut down runs with even less counterplays than The Plant

primal axle
weary fog
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The only difference between Katie's and the actual wording is the interaction with Blue Joker

primal axle
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(Dince the others don't target the bottom 50%, just a random 50% pre-draw)

primal axle
weary fog
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but since you don't know the deck's order, removing an equal number of cards has the same effect

primal axle
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Incorrect when it comes to my disagreement on why this is bad but for a different reason*

primal axle
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Those 5 kings you need could've been the first 5 cards

tawny ibex
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It’s technically different but it’s functionally identical if you lose the top or bottom half of the deck

primal axle
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Either way it's super duper heavily RNG dependant

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And that makes me go meh.. because I can't see counrerplay to this outside of "have a 55% deckfixed deck" or "get lucky"

weary fog
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Consider if we unshuffle the deck. If you look at the bottom half vs the random half, the missing cards will be completely random either way

primal axle
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One of which being unfair for an ante 8 run; or just unfair in general

weary fog
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You won't notice this boss unless you actually reach the point where cards stop being drawn (since you don't know which cards were removed, you're effectively pulling from your full deck)

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It could be interesting if you could check your full deck to see which ones were removed

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And I guess the original wording would let you do that

primal axle
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They should be grayed out like all other "discarded/played" cards

weary fog
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but even if you allow that, that's still just literally easier than normal

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it's like playing a regular blind but you can see which cards are in the bottom half

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With this boss, you only get to cycle through 26 cards of a 52 card deck.
On The Water, with 4 hands, you get to use 3 as discards, which means you get to cycle through 24 cards.

This is an easier version of The Water.

tawny ibex
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Eh I wouldn’t say it’s easier than the water

weary fog
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Both essentially just limit how many cards you're allowed to see

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but this one 1. tells you which cards you aren't allowed to see and 2. lets you see more than the water

molten geyser
wanton elbow
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Well, how about a slightly different, significantly meaner take, each card is given a (hidden) counter (if one doesn't already exist) that represents the number of times it has been played.

The most played N cards are moved from your full deck to discards at the start of the blind. (Where N is set to be half the deck size rounded down at the start of ante 8.)

weak plank
weak plank
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it's a roguelike, luck is a factor you have to play around... crimson heart can destroy your soul

weary fog
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though maybe not actually

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i guess it could punish small decks