Frankenjoker

[craggy forge]

Rare Joker.
Copies the ability of the last sold Joker.

[umbral moth]

P common suggestion but I still like it

[craggy forge]

Unlock Requirement could be selling [x] amount of Jokers

Maybe an amount of Rare Jokers

[umbral moth]

@quick torrent @thin surge what don’t you like about it

[thin surge]

pinging people who downvote your suggestion is annoying as fuck

[olive crown]

i thought of this a while back but it doesnt have a great use case in my mind

idk

[umbral moth]

1. It’s not my suggestion
2. Downvoting a suggestion without giving any feedback as to why you downvoted it is annoying as fuck

[quick torrent]

Just feels kinda weird ngl, and like a worse showman. The main use is you sell a joker to find it again and have effectively 2 of them

[quick torrent]

I don’t have the time or drive to respond to every suggestion I dislike, I respond whenever I have something substantial to say

[umbral moth]

How are people going to know what’s bad about it if no feedback is given

And they just see a bunch of downvotes

[quick torrent]

I’m not obligated to respond to every suggestion

I think I’m actually decent at saying why I dislike most suggestions, it’s not like I spam every suggestion without elaborating

[umbral moth]

You’re not “obligated” to do anything but it’s the polite thing to do

[quick torrent]

I only got so much time to spend on the Balatro discord, the emotes are meant to get my point across quickly

[vernal nexus]

You could

[umbral moth]

Well given I didn’t see an issue with this outside of it being a common idea I don’t know what helpful feedback I could’ve given

[autumn pawn]

Here

Katie doesn't owe shit, especially a response or explanation

[autumn pawn]

But cmon, it's a server sharing app made FOR these conversations. There is nothing wrong with pinging someone as long as it's not to spam em

[umbral moth]

Nobody “owes” anything but again it’s the polite thing to do

[autumn pawn]

It isnt the "polite thing" to do, nor is not commenting the "rude thing" to do; the polite thing to do is ask if they mind elaborating as you did in your first message

[umbral moth]

Simply downvoting and not critiquing leads to literally nothing outside of bad feels for the OP

It’s pretty disheartening to get a bunch of s without anyone explaining the issues

[autumn pawn]

I disagree heavily because it's happened to me a variety of times; he'll I've been the one pinging others to ask for context

[umbral moth]

Hasn’t happened to me here but a while ago on another server and it kinda just made me stop suggesting for a time

[autumn pawn]

Sometimes- an idea doesn't land. If you take that personally, that doesn't make the Nopes! Rude, it means they didn't elaborate.

So what you do, is ask them to elaborate

[umbral moth]

My ideas were objectively shit but I was too inexperienced to know why

[autumn pawn]

Thats why i also responded to Alyssa, they were very much rude or ig blunt, and non-explanatory

[autumn pawn]

And im sorry to hear that- but it isnt a requirement or standard- you're suggesting something here for the public to "vote" on- is it rude to vote no on a poll? No!

I agree with how Alyssa handled it- she elaborated when asked

[robust galleon]

I mean getting words on why some ideas suck also can hurt

[umbral moth]

Mate, I’m not saying “it’s rude to vote no on a poll”. I’m saying “it’s rude to say something is bad without explaining why you think it’s bad”

[robust galleon]

So its a lose lose situation

[dense burrow]

wild to me that so much vitriol from an easily ignorable ping, or to ping someone for why they only nope reacted somebody elses idea

[robust galleon]

Just make good ideas and then no hate must be given

[dense burrow]

anyways the joker idea is kinda bad bc yea, its just showman niche

[umbral moth]

Sure, but that leads to improvement

[autumn pawn]

Basically where I'm at

Katie did it right- responded when asked but also explained that her response isn't something you should expect

[autumn pawn]

And- unfortunately, it's not saying the idea is bad- it's saying the idea doesn't fit Balatro for any reaskn

Could just feel overly modded

[robust galleon]

A nope isnt 100% negative

[autumn pawn]

Its not rude to interact with the post set up by others in the way the server was meant to be used- messaging or elaborating on it is a luxury, not "polite"

[robust galleon]

Its only like 65%

[autumn pawn]

Idk this just feels stupid, I'm prolly gonna stop responding

[dense burrow]

the reason you'd take this is to replace one of ur good jokers, say blueprint, and then find that joker again in shop later
so it's just a significantly better showman that only allows the duping of one joker, except that you either need to have another joker worth "duping" (brainstorm i guess) or an empty slot to make long term use of it

[robust galleon]

It is stupid (thats why I am only being 65% serious )

[autumn pawn]

Bcyz don't get me wrong, Alyssa's response was a real big 🤨 to me

[dense burrow]

its both too good at showmans niche and too situational

[robust galleon]

It makes judgment and wraith basically useless though

[autumn pawn]

Never sell

Just too easy

[dense burrow]

so does like, having full slots

antisynergies arent reasons to not add something

[autumn pawn]

I wouldnt even call it good at showmans niche since it requires you NOT buy other jokers ever again

Sell*

[dense burrow]

by the time you use showman you probably aren't anyways

[autumn pawn]

Not buy

Whoops

[autumn pawn]

The difference is the potential to tho

[dense burrow]

it would have to be the same with this, except earlier if you want to use an open slot with it

being able to use it earlier makes it better

[autumn pawn]

Yet it's on lock down once you do, slogging your entire run

[dense burrow]

what situation would that be

[robust galleon]

Its winmore

[autumn pawn]

Huh??

Okay NOW I'm getting lost

[robust galleon]

If you already have your run set up like that its just win more

And if you dont you get willy joker as your copy for 50% of the tine you have it

[autumn pawn]

Any situation where you're using this to copy a half decent joker; usually one you want for scoring. Then all of a sudden you can't sell any jokers unless your confident in pivoting-

Not just "can't sell this one Joker"- because thats any scoring Joker you need. You can't sell any jokers. That's a Joker slot lock down almost

The idea sounds like it could be fun sometimes, but not very useful

[dense burrow]

lets say ur baron miming, bc why else use showman
baron mime blueprint brainstorm and lets say, burglar
you sell blueprint for... frankenjoker
I don't like that name

you sell blueprint for mimic, so then you have baron mime mimicbp brainstorm burglar, looking for ectoplasm and then blueprint again

[autumn pawn]

This is.. ehh since you can still buy other jokers, just not sell; so you would want to get this off early enough to still be shaping your run

[dense burrow]

basically it just lets you do the showman part before getting ecto rather than only after

[robust galleon]

Endless isnt how we design things

[dense burrow]

endless is the only reason to ever use showman or this Joker

[autumn pawn]

Endless has and will always be important to keep in mind

[dense burrow]

things are designed for niches, if the niche happens to be more prominent in endless then so be it

[autumn pawn]

Not the center of balancing, but it's damn important

[robust galleon]

Its not terrible in a endless run but its not how usefulness should be designed

Exactly

I would get rid of the damn though

I think that showman is more fun though than this joker

I love seeing the world go to mess

[autumn pawn]

Me watching Balatro Server's Repost Police do a raid on Sheet Suggestions without a warrant:

[robust galleon]

Thats the one of the funniest things i have ever read in this server

[umbral moth]

The variability of what can mean is even more reason you should clarify

Ironic…

Lmao

[robust galleon]

Thats the joke

[autumn pawn]

Idk man, quenching someone's anxieties before it's even brought up or known isn't my job and/or shouldnt be an expectation for me- if you ask me, I'll expand on it. Elaborating before that point is just as "polite" as not elaborating before is "rude." (It isn't in any way I can conceive)

My sentiment remains unchanged- there's no problem with pinging asking for elaboration

[robust galleon]

If someone offers you food and you shake your head are you obligated to say that escarogo tastes bad?

[autumn pawn]

But it's really not reasonable to expect everyone who will interact with a post to elaborate or explain themselves- maybe I'm wrong for thinking that, but I see 0 reason that'd be expexted

[plush hamlet]

well i dont elaborate if someone gives a good reason or my reason for disliking

sometimes i dont elaborate if its obvious

[robust galleon]

100000000 chips and 1000000 mult joker

You'll never guess what it does

[autumn pawn]

The sisyphean challenge of a balatro player: learn to read

[autumn pawn]

Does it give +4$ at the end of the round

[robust galleon]

Ding ding ding correct awnser we've got a winer

[umbral moth]

False dichotomy. If someone goes “am I a good cook” and you say “no” without explaining why, that’s rude

Or better comparison “is this dish I made good”

There’s a difference between obligation and decency

[tight matrix]

There is nothing bad with having a worst version of a joker as long as it's original

[quick torrent]

Who’s to decide what’s decent and what isn’t? There’s no concrete set of rules in this channel, and some things I consider decent are things that you don’t

[tight matrix]

And I want to know why getting unnecessary pinged is annoying no offense

[autumn pawn]

I had wanted to call out it was a bad example but couldn't think of a better one

But here's where I dislike yours as well

You're not asking if a dish is good

Youre asking if it belongs on the restaurants menu

And the difference there is that sometimes, you don't need go in depth saying "oh yes, this dish fits/doesn't fit because [blank.]" When, genuinely, it's not saying you dislike the idea or taste, just that you don't want it on the full menu.

By your logic, people who thumbs up should explain why they think it's a good fit for the game; the only difference in the info you gain is whether they think it does or doesn't fit, and whatever the ego tells you.

[quick torrent]

I’m not being negative, I’m not being overly critical, I’m not spamming, I’m not making fun of anyone, etc. I could be indecent, but I really am not. If the worst thing to happen to you’s a reaction on discord then you got a pretty good life

[autumn pawn]

I agree w this and it's why I said amth above

Lemme find it

[autumn pawn]

^^^

[umbral moth]

Never said there were concrete rules

Just as you’re free to without feedback I’m free to ping to ask for feedback

[umbral moth]

Literally “this just doesn’t fit” is enough

[autumn pawn]

I don't think anyone's contesting that atp; i think the idea is that you can ping but you still shouldn't expect the comment if you do ping

[umbral moth]

There are plenty of suggestions that there’s not really anything to say outside of “this doesn’t vibe with Balatro as a game”/“this feels modded”/etc.

[autumn pawn]

Even Katie didn't check-mark the whole "Ping is annoying as fuck" remark; and elaborated on why she doesn't always do it. Nowhere did she say you weren't free to ping her

[quick torrent]

Yeah I got no problem with a single ping like that

I do have a problem with making it some moral thing about needing to give feedback

[autumn pawn]

Exactly my point! There's nobody in the wrong here other than Alyssa IMO and that's moreso me disliking her attitude in the response than me actually saying she did smth wrong

[umbral moth]

It’s incredibly disheartening for someone to get a lot of s without anyone explaining why they don’t like it

Like literally any other creative pursuit, getting a bunch of negative attention without any real criticism is off putting

[quick torrent]

I got nothing else to say to that, this is going in circles

[autumn pawn]

A) That's the assumption of the ego saying that everyone just hates it; when you accept the Nope! Just means they don't want it in base balatro, you'll lighten up.

B) I've directly felt that way, and I just.. asked lol, didn't get shit for it, didn't have people mad at me; you're taking a moral stance that is hollow as far as i see. Because in the end, even if Alyssa got annoyed by it, you got your damn answer, without a complaint, and a justification for WHY sometimes she doesn't leave a comment

What more do you want

[quick torrent]

Yeah this ain’t even your post

[autumn pawn]

Im here alot and I just.. can't bring myself to see your point outside of people being overly negative toward themselves

I sure as he'll dont find nopes without a reason that big of a deal-

A little annoying ye, but just ping em LOL

[quick torrent]

I’ll gladly say what I dislike of someone asks nicely, like here #1404621312386924555 message
but this #1404621312386924555 message is my problem

[umbral moth]

“and I just… asked lol,” yes that is what me pinging people was

[autumn pawn]

Anyways, I'll stop winding on and on, since I do in the end agree pinging is fair

[autumn pawn]

Yes, and my point is you've turned this into a moral argument when you got exactly what you fucking wanted from half the people you pinged

And everyone* involved in the argument called out how the other person shouldn't have handled it that way

(*atleast 2)

[merry ether]

It’s kinda just a weirder invisible

[craggy forge]

Īt's alright everyone. While I agree with Hyper's point that it can be disheartening to receive Nope!s with no feedback, it's also understandable that someone would like to peacefully state their disagreement an idea and move on with their day. Let's all continue forward suggesting, critiquing and offering feedback in a civil discussion about a game we all enjoy.

[merry ether]

if I sold the last joker for a reason why would I need another to copy it especially when it still takes up a slot

[umbral moth]

Ok this is 🤓 but when you get down to brass tacks everything’s a moral argument (/lh)

[autumn pawn]

Ehh I have a problem with something further down

Throwing Alyssa's words back at her aint that bad

[autumn pawn]

Grrr, you win this time

[craggy forge]

Could be if a good Joker was a perishable?

[merry ether]

I don’t think there should be jokers that are way too reliant on higher stakes

Thunk probably wouldn’t either

[umbral moth]

As Katie said the primary issue with this is that it’s just weaker showman

But I don’t particularly dislike it

[craggy forge]

I agree the idea could probably do with some work/modifications, just wasn't really sure and was hoping the community could suggest something. Didn't mean to accidentally start an ethics argument on Balatro Suggestions lol

[quick torrent]

Tbh I think that the idea’s kinda fundamentally, you can’t really do a numbers change like most suggestions

I think it’s a cool idea, I just kinda dislike it that’s all

[tight matrix]

The joker is perfect as it is in my opinion