Cop (uncommon joker)

[restive umbra]

If played hand is an illegal hand (flush house, five of a kind and etc) gain 2x mult

I really like the secret illegal hands and I always thought that there should be a joker related to that. Anyway let me know if I need to balance the joker in any way

[dawn eagle]

Just worse duo

[sterile citrus]

I feel like it should be rare because it fits the theming of “the x”

Good suggestion tho

[restive umbra]

Should it be 3x

I dont want it to be too op in those flush five runs

[glossy folio]

I think it should stay at 2x personally. Unless you'd want it to be a scaling joker based on how many times you play an illegal hand, which could also work

At a lesser degree, though

[dense dew]

I think having it be criminal-themed rather than cop-themed would make more sense

[sacred charm]

Coming next, worse trio

[dense dew]

That just makes it worse Duo though

[glossy folio]

With that logic anything is worse duo

[sterile citrus]

Thank you

[glossy folio]

If it gives 2x mult that is

[dense dew]

No???

[vagrant gate]

given that it necessarily needs to contain both 3oak and flush it should be X4 at least

[dense dew]

All of the secret hands contain a pair, so that means anything that this Joker can do is done better by Duo

[glossy folio]

Well yes but you have to consider this is more of a compliment to duo

[sterile citrus]

Well then, is the trio better duo

[glossy folio]

Especially if it scaled

[vagrant gate]

no, since the trio's harder

[dense dew]

No, because Trio necessitates you play 3oak rather than pair

[vagrant gate]

this is much harder but doesn't give more mult

if you would want this joker you'd always want the trio instead

[sterile citrus]

Illegal hands give enough score as is

[vagrant gate]

there is not a single situation where this joker is better than the trio

in any given hand, under any circumstance, you will be in an objectively better position with the trio than this joker

[glossy folio]

Well, it could be an uncommon instead of a rare

So it has the advantage of being more common

[vagrant gate]

the standard for uncommon conditonal xmult is x3

[dense dew]

In ny opinion, a well-designed Joker should always have scenarios where you would take it over another Joker and scenarios where you wouldn't take it

[sterile citrus]

So it’s a common then?

[glossy folio]

Exactly, so it could be more dependent on scaling rather than a flat xmult

[dense dew]

How about it gains X0.25 Mult for every consecutive illegal hand played

[glossy folio]

Yeah, something like that would work better

[vagrant gate]

Gluttonous vs Onyx

Rarity is a fine difference

[sterile citrus]

Then again, you could repeat that process an infinite amount of times with jokers

[dense dew]

Fair point, I rescind my statement

[sterile citrus]

Or that too

[glossy folio]

Ultimately, there will be jokers that are a no brainer over others

But having something that is not only more common, but also scalable, AND compliments another joker would be good

[dense dew]

Also, maybe this is obvious, but I think this should work like the secret planet cards where it only shows up if you've played a secret hand this run

[sterile citrus]

Well yeah

[glossy folio]

Yeah, I also had that in mind when I read this

[sterile forge]

flush five doesn't rely on a base x3 mult

this also isn't very useful as:

1. you should never go for 5oak (just stay at 4oak for ante 8 runs, or go for the flush five)
2. flush house and flush five give a ton of base score with hands and pair very well with most jokers
3. this isn't very easily achieveable

[raw raptor]

This is a good joker and also it says gains not gives

[dense dew]

I think people assumed they meant gives X2 mult, because gaining X2 mult would be ridiculously overpowered

[raw raptor]

I think it should be gains 0.5

[dense dew]

Gaining X0.5 is still overpowered

I think it should gain X0.2 (or possibly X0.25-X0.4 if it was consecutive hands played)

[scarlet flower]

it should be gains 2X per secret hand played this hand played this round and then reset and start of round (and be rare)

mayhaps instead of cop it could be named something like the trio, duo, oder and so on

as it is now its two good or two bad (i cant tell if i am reading it right)