Russian roulette (Uncommon)

[fathom nexus]

5/6 - ×3.5 mult
1/6 - ×0.25 mult

[steep jolt]

ai 💀

anyway this is worse than cavendish on average

[fathom nexus]

It is barely worse in general terms, but if you have a lot of hands, i believe it could be better

[unique gust]

Meh, the idea fits the theme but
A) AI yucky, avoid using it if possible(though there's an argument for recreational use i don't wanna get into this debate)

B) Its just RNG based scoring, which off of Bloodstone; isn't fun. (Even tho I'll admit 1/2 has much higher variance than 1/6)

Most runs want to play one-two of a hand, this can doom that in an instant

[vagrant raft]

I feel like this could be turned into a very cool retrigger joker too, first card you play has a 5/6 to retrigger, next would be a 4/6 and so on until it doesn’t retrigger, then it stops retriggering for the rest of the hand

[fathom nexus]

A) Mmm i just wanted to express how i thought the joker could be like, but if thats not acceoted i wont use it anymore
B) I dont see it like that, RNG its used a lot in the game ( ) and this joker could work very well in a run if you had 5 hands or so

But thanks for the feedback

[vagrant raft]

I’m kinda going off the Russian roulette they played in squid games lol

[unique gust]

Im not too against A, but ik it's a pretty divisive subject TBH

As for B, I agree but don't at the same time. If you have 5~ hands you can usually only afford to play 1-3 of the one you want to play excluding HC and Pair- one bad roulette pull ends the run there

For HC and Pair, you're absolutely right

You can play so many hands it really doesn't matter unless you hit 3 negatives in a row

[fathom nexus]

I mean yeah obviously, you could have 0 luck and hit negatives on a row, or also hit "free" ×3.5 mult, but thats why the joker is called Russian roulette, and its your responsability to take it or not,

TBH i dont know how it would even synerge with the dice Joker

[flat fern]

Functionally this mult is a flat 3x joker because that’s the expected value

[fathom nexus]

Its a bit less, (made on purpose)

[flat fern]

Also this may get noped but I don’t see why ai art would be a problem to represent a discord suggestion, unless it’s for environment reason

[fathom nexus]

But the expected value doesnt have in count you may hit 2 negatives on a row, and kill a run, so thats why its called Russian roulette

[fathom nexus]

Yeah I also think like that

[fathom nexus]

And thats one thing i kinda dislike from discord suggestions, they are way overpowered most of them,

[flat fern]

I could understand being against it for commercial use or for people becoming prompt artists but other than that it’s fine to me

[fathom nexus]

This is my first suggestion and Im trying to make ir as balanced as possible

Is there a way in Balatro to gain less than 1 ×multi?

[unique gust]

Permanent X3.5, 2/6 for X0.25, they aren't mutually exclusive seemingly

[fathom nexus]

So it would make it worse

[fathom nexus]

Mmm it shouldnt be permanent if theres a 1/3 for × 0.25 , so it would actually be a 2/3 - ×3.5 and 1/3 - ×0.25 , but idk if thats how it would work...

[unique gust]

Not by the current wording

And not physically achievable afaik

Like with how Balatro handles it's chances- correct me if I'm wrong tho someone

[feral jetty]

5/6 chance for x3.5 mult, otherwise x0.25 mult

[fathom nexus]

Is this how you think it should synerge with dice? Because its literally the Joker I described initially

[feral jetty]

yeah

I was rewording to make it work with oa6

[flat fern]

I think the 1/6 downside should be different, like maybe you lose money and/or disables the joker for a round or two

[fathom nexus]

If it was loosing money i think it would be overpowered for an inusual joker, and disabling the joker would nerf it too much . Idk but maybe im sticking to my original idea because i like the idea of less than 1 ×mult

[fallen rivet]

you don't need art for a joker concept like this in the first place, so using ai is just unnecessary and an insult to actual artists

[fathom nexus]

Mmm i dont see why bringing your joker art idea is innecesary, when usually we all know what the joker does not because of the name, but because of the art, so its even more important, and AI just helps with creating what you have in mind. And I just dont understand why AI its an INSULT to artists and not just a preocupation, but i guess im just an ignorant. But thanks for the feedback and I'll take that in mind

[cinder kestrel]

So is: blackboard, acrobat, driver's license and the trio

[steep jolt]

those are common and uncommon and this is "inusual"

[cinder kestrel]

But they really aren't.
Because for Cavendish, you have to break so this is bad but for a different reason

[cinder kestrel]

Umcommon and rare. But point taken

[steep jolt]

ah

Trio aint that good imo either tbh

[cinder kestrel]

Also what is inusual

Isn't it unusual

[unique gust]

That doesn't work how he was looking

It alr worked with OA6 just poorly :)

[fathom nexus]

I meant uncommon, im not a native english speaker

[steep jolt]

Ah

[cinder kestrel]

So my point stands?

[fathom nexus]

Yeah

[steep jolt]

Then Ig it's just kinda pointless

It's not really bad I just...don't really know why I'd ever take this

[fathom nexus]

Bruh everyone hates eachother jokers

[fathom nexus]

It can give a 3.5× mult , so if you are about to loose a run, this no requirement mult × joker could save you

Thx for the feedback anyway

[steep jolt]

If anything now that I think about it it might be a bit overtuned, but IMO it's mainly just boring

I'm fine with it but I'm fine with not having it

[cinder kestrel]

So wait. How does Oops! work with thus

[fathom nexus]

Whats that joker?

[cinder kestrel]

https://balatrogame.fandom.com/wiki/Oops!_All_6s

[fathom nexus]

Swipe , we've already talk about that

(Spoiler, we dont know)

[cinder kestrel]

Wait what chance in the game is 1 in 3.

Also it's not only guaranteed (with Oops!) but also the on chance that doesn't have a 1 in N chance

[flat fern]

This person may be a native Spanish speaker

[fathom nexus]

This joker could be a lot of things, but a 1/6 of ×0.25 its not boring at all , maybe you are influenced by the overpowered and unrealistic jokers people post, so this looks weak, but it could be in the game and be a balanced uncommon joker

[cinder kestrel]

Not that thats a bad thing

[fathom nexus]

Yeah

[cinder kestrel]

Yooo! I'm in spain

[fathom nexus]

Vacations?

[flat fern]

I would personally disagree that it’s insulting to ai artists, I’m a writer and ai stories don’t offend me

Maybe it’s different for visual artists

[fathom nexus]

Maybe, i also see it like that

[steep jolt]

It's an expected value of almost X3, which is the standard for uncommon "XMult if [condition]" such as Blackboard. This is always better than Blackboard (you may lose a bit of money from hitting the 1/6, but the chance of you hitting it multiple times in a row is slim enough to ignore)

[cinder kestrel]

Yes

[fallen rivet]

there is no such thing as ai artists

ever

i am both a writer and visual artist and both ai text and image generation offend me

[cinder kestrel]

White woman

[fathom nexus]

Yeah, not all jokers need to be game changers and use crazy new game mechanics

[flat fern]

I meant to type just artists, but you can also gather that from the context

[fathom nexus]

But that doesnt mean its boring

[flat fern]

Is it because it makes it harder for them to make a living

[fallen rivet]

among other things yes

[flat fern]

I’m still not convinced that it’s harmful for recreational use like this post

[cinder kestrel]

Sometimes I forget that people here are up to 20 years older than me

[fallen rivet]

the fact that it is such an active harm to the wellbeing and careers of artists means that any use of it is still insulting

[steep jolt]

in terms of ai art:

ai does not produce art.
ai cannot produce art.
ai can produce images, but the images are not and will never be art.
and due to this ai will also always be a lower quality than actual art
so if you dont need an image, why provide one if you're not going to bother making it of any quality at all?

but i digress. the actual joker is fine ig (though i'd tweak the numbers to put the expected value at closer to X2.5)

[fathom nexus]

I dont want to be that guy but: When cars started to be mainstream , horse breeders wellbeing was affected, and nowadays we all appreciate having a car and not just going everywhere with a horse

[steep jolt]

Yeah but cars are actually faster than horses

AI images are just cheaper

[fallen rivet]

and worse!

[fathom nexus]

And Ai is faster than artist ... (it was just an example)

[fallen rivet]

this is exactly why it is an insult to artists

i am not respected or valued as an artist because of ai

[fathom nexus]

Yeah thats 100% , my joker doesnt look like balatro style although i told hom in the prompt

[flat fern]

I could understand reduced demand that ai would bring, but also I think the type of person to commission artists (except maybe companies) wouldn’t use ai art

Cause if I wanted an image to use in a personal DnD campaign I’d just rip it off of deviant art

[fallen rivet]

"except maybe companies"

[flat fern]

Yeah fair enough for that, there’s documented cases of companies using ai carelessly

I still have no problems with OP

[flat fern]

Also if ai art is worse than human art there’ll still be demand, not to mention that there’s no reason to believe that artists have lost respect as a result

That’s like saying nobody respects seamstresses anymore because of textile factories

[fallen rivet]

less than 10 messages up there is proof that artists have lost respect

[flat fern]

Ah wait I’ve done a little more digging

Ai companies seem to not generate profit but are backed by big investors in the hope that they will be profitable

Which would suggest that if ai image generation was popular enough, they’d see the traffic, which would lead to continued investment

And therefore could lead to ai companies theoretically being quality enough to replace humanities (which would be bad)

So I can see where you’re coming from

I still think ai image generation can be good for artists, we may just need to wait

[thorn gust]

no

it is good for absolutely no one

its a plague and an abomination

you should feel ashamed of yourself for using it

[flat fern]

This is patently false, a cardiologist tells me that it is really good at interpreting ekgs and rarely make mistakes, and yes he also looks at it himself

[thorn gust]

...

blocked

AI users dni

[flat fern]

Okay

Also I never said I used Ai (in fact I rarely use it even for things society approves of)

Some people out here making arguments with their heart

[fathom nexus]

Kinda crazy you reacted with the Nope! just because of the AI debate you're having, when i apologized when someone told me it was insulting , and I tried to learn why AI is harmful for artists, and now I get it, it could be cool if you retired it

[fathom nexus]

Same

Is there a way to erase the pic?

[fallen rivet]

if you hover over it there should be a little delete icon in the top corner

[fathom nexus]

Yeah I did it

[fallen rivet]

goat 🙏

[quick plank]

i don't like chance-based scoring

[fathom nexus]

Do you like bloodstone?

[quick plank]

no

[fathom nexus]

Do you like wheel of fortune?

Do you like Justice?

Do ypu like glass cards?

Do you like lucky cards?

[quick plank]

justice is more of an emergency button

[fathom nexus]

Bruh RNG is a piece of Balatro

[quick plank]

lucky cards' main value comes from money generation

[cinder kestrel]

That's why you get oops

[quick plank]

having to get an uncommon joker isn't a good thing

also how would this work with oops

both effects are listed probabilities

[pallid lava]

Hey, just a question, what do you mean by “Inusual” in your post? Is it the Joker ranking?

[fathom nexus]

Swipe up

[fathom nexus]

I meant uncommon, im not a native english speaker

[cinder kestrel]

I think he means like a chance for scoring souly

Like luckies are more for more (as he said)

[pallid lava]

Okay, soooo edit it to say uncommon

[fathom nexus]

Russian roulette (Umcommon)

[pallid lava]

Thank you

[cinder kestrel]

And wheel never hits

[quick plank]

she but yeah

also wheel doesn't cost anything to use

bloodstone and this joker do

[pallid lava]

I feel like the idea should be a “retrigger” instead of a “xmult”

[cinder kestrel]

Plus luck is consistent on runs so it isn't as much luck as you'd think

[fathom nexus]

Yeah thats interesting , someone else mentioned it

[cinder kestrel]

Plus this have a level of chance to screw you

[fathom nexus]

But I like the hardcore factor of ×.25 mult

Just like the Russian roulette...

[cinder kestrel]

I like the design. But it will hit the 1 in 6 4 times in a row when facing the wall.

That's how this game works

Or doesn't work

[fathom nexus]

Thx

[cinder kestrel]

You're welcome??

[pallid lava]

How will oops all 6’s work on this

10/6?? 2/6?

[fathom nexus]

We've already talked about that

Spoiler , we dont knoe

Know

[cinder kestrel]

2/6 I'm geussing. Every other chance is a 1 in x.

[pallid lava]

Sure, but how does that work with the 5/6 mult?

[cinder kestrel]

10/6

[pallid lava]

That’s not possible…

[cinder kestrel]

Sure it is

[pallid lava]

You can’t have more favorable outcomes over possible outcomes

[cinder kestrel]

It never says both effects can't happen

Or 5/12

2/6

[pallid lava]

Not even that, 10/6 odds can never happen

[cinder kestrel]

What yes they can

[pallid lava]

That’s not how math works

[cinder kestrel]

10/6 chance. To give 4x mult

[pallid lava]

Brother a 166% chance?

[cinder kestrel]

That's just guaranteed

[pallid lava]

So it just becomes 6/6

[cinder kestrel]

Yea

If you had two oopses what would blood stone do

[pallid lava]

Well then, the concept of russian roulette falls apart with oops

[cinder kestrel]

Then make it
4x mult
1 in 6 chance to give 0.25 instead

Or l

[pallid lava]

6/6 and a 1/6?

[cinder kestrel]

0.25x mult
5 in 6 chance to give 4 instead

[cinder kestrel]

Well yes but no.
Yes it is a 6/6
But so is every non-chance joker

[pallid lava]

okay…

I suppose that works

But oops only increases probabilities, not xmult

[cinder kestrel]

Yes

Are you a conspiracy theorist @pallid lava

Because of the name. It looks like it

[pallid lava]

No, i just added the name as a joke, and forgot i added it.