Start run with an eternal Campfire and an eternal Cartomancer. (Read messages)
#Fuel to the Flame
inner pawn
kind epoch
I don't know if campfire is good enough for this.
The problem is that after an ante you pretty weak or campfire isn't your source of mult.
topaz mortar
I don't know if campfire is good enough for this.
The problem is that after an a...
- is that not the point of a challenge?
- lowkey I think this might be a lil too easy
inner pawn
What if we nerfed it like all shop prices are 1.5x more expensive or smth like that
modern vector
What if we nerfed it like all shop prices are 1.5x more expensive or smth like t...
Just no eternals
dense geyser
What if we nerfed it like all shop prices are 1.5x more expensive or smth like t...
Get rid of one or both vouchers would prob be a better nerf
gray marten
Why negative? There should be some downside for a challenge that just gives you an xmult joker...
inner pawn
You lose a joker slot bc of cartomancer
inner pawn
Why negative? There should be some downside for a challenge that just gives you ...
It's like that one challenge with a negative parabolia and business card
inner pawn
Get rid of one or both vouchers would prob be a better nerf
Both vouchers gone is a good nerf
gray marten
It's like that one challenge with a negative parabolia and business card
That one also has no rewards for hands and no interest.
(and a smaller deck, but that's arguably an upside)
inner pawn
If both weren't negative, then you would lose 2 joker slots
That's pretty bad given that even though you have a x mult joker you still only have 3 spots left
gray marten
Yes, what I'm suggesting is that this set up is almost all upside. It's easier than a regular white stake red deck run.
inner pawn
What about you start with 10 Hand size and for each card sold you lose a hand size and it resets every boss blind
That way there is a a slight disadvantage
gray marten
Oh God, that makes campfire essentially useless.
I mean, it is definitely doable, of course, just completely disincentivizing using the campfire feels bad from a design perspective.
inner pawn
You sell 4 cards and find paintbrush voucher or juggler or smth along those lines
Turtle bean
gray marten
The point of a challenge like this is to teach a player that this joker, which they're probably used to passing on, is actually decent.
inner pawn
Campfire is one of the most underrated jokers in my opinion
inner pawn
The point of a challenge like this is to teach a player that this joker, which t...
15 minute city showed me how to use ride the bus properly
gray marten
It is pretty good yeah, if you have the econ to support it.
Maybe have all sell values set to $0, ban gift card, egg, swash, and temp.
That's a much more reasonable nerf.
modern vector
Tbh The cartomancer + campfire combo seems interesting enough, no need for anything else, the duality of it (one works for selling, the other one works for using) seems interesting enough, although I could see adding a rule that replaces all planets with tarots so that decision making with sell/use tarot happens more often
Although this could be skipped by having a free joker slot and buy/selling jokers
Ah ok what if instead of vouchers or that planet replacing thing I mentioned, the special effect was that jokers get destroyed when sold (so they don't proc campfire)
inner pawn
Although this could be skipped by having a free joker slot and buy/selling joker...
Ban the rare and uncommon tags
inner pawn
Ah ok what if instead of vouchers or that planet replacing thing I mentioned, th...
Yeah that works as well
Jokers give no money when sold
Fuel to the Flame
Changed the name bc flame sounded better than fire
modern vector
Jokers give no money when sold
Destroyed part is important so campfire doesn't trigger
inner pawn
So that players can't farm off the free joker tags
Only consumables can trigger campfire
modern vector
Kinda the idea yeah
Cause of the cartomancer interaction
Issue I see now is that might cause players to want to ignore campfire and go 4 joker slots (cartomancer is solid for white stake)
Optimal play would still be campfire imo so it might be fine
inner pawn
It's actually 3 assuming both aren't negative
Bc that way player are forced to play with campfire
And Campfire is a strong x mult
modern vector
It's actually 3 assuming both aren't negative
Ah yeah 3 free slots, but cartomancer was alr a solid pick
inner pawn
It also allows for them to build their deck as well if they don't want to sell
gray marten
Destroyed part is important so campfire doesn't trigger
Would this also mean Luch, Cola, and Invisible also won't work?
trail orchid
Hold on, what's the "challenge" part? Is it just that you have eternal campfire and eternal cartomancer?
kind epoch
Hold on, what's the "challenge" part? Is it just that you have eternal campfire ...
The challenge is looking at campfire for 8 antes
modern vector
Would this also mean Luch, Cola, and Invisible also won't work?
Oh, well ig
inner pawn
Would this also mean Luch, Cola, and Invisible also won't work?
Yeah pretty much
inner pawn
Hold on, what's the "challenge" part? Is it just that you have eternal campfire ...
The challenge part is that you have to balance between enhancing your deck and feeding Campfire through cartomancer
If you choose to feed Campfire your deck would be very weak and wouldn't give any extra benefits
If you choose to enhance your deck, Campfire wouldn't be fed and you lose precious mult
It's all about a balance
gray marten
Yeah pretty much
Then they should probably be added to the banned card list.
trail orchid
The challenge part is that you have to balance between enhancing your deck and f...
This seems like it's just regular balatro but you start with 2 great jokers, which isn't very challenging
15 Minute City is kind of similar, but that at least modifies your deck to make using Ride The Bus more challenging
It's a cool idea, but I think it could be made more difficult
inner pawn
I think that consumables should be 2x expensive
Jokers don't have to be as expensive because they get destroyed
trail orchid
I think that consumables should be 2x expensive
This is a fun idea