#Plastic spam

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cerulean quartz
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All cards and jokers are foil cards
A minimum chip requirement of the round*100 is required for each round

polar kindle
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Round 24 is the boss blind of ante 8 normally, which means 2400 chips required to win?

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Or did you mean 30,000 chips for the first round?

cerulean quartz
polar kindle
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Way too easy

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That's ante 3 requirements for a pretty substantial scoring boost

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And you have 8 antes to get to this point

weary onyx
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so like does it add on top on the standard blind requirements

cerulean quartz
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Its every hand

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So it needs to be at least 2400 chips to score

weary onyx
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chips chips, as in the blue stuff before mult is applied

polar kindle
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What you're saying is that each hand has round*100 subtracted from it after scoring?

lavish swallow
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Ohh, I see what's going on here

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OP meant the chip requirement is required for each hand

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So for Round 1, all hands must score at least 100, on Round 2 all hands must score at least 200, etc.

polar kindle
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You throw an HC and die because you didn't meet the hand requirement?

lavish swallow
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That said, I still think that scales too slowly

weary onyx
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if your hand doesn't have at least 100/200/300/... chips chips, as in the blue stuff before mult is applied, it scores for nothing

lavish swallow
polar kindle
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Any 2 card hand beats that because foil is 50

weary onyx
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250 chips just from the foil playing cards

lavish swallow
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Makes more sense now

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I guess it could be a neat challenge

polar kindle
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But 2400 is a little difficult even in ante 8. You normally get 250 chips from cards, 250 from jokers, but we need another 1900 from other effects (card chips, bonus enh, retriggers, base hands, joker effects, etc), and that's still a pretty tall order, but not impossible of course.

young crag
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I like this challenge because it gives me another excuse outside of the speedrunner achievement to skip blinds at an unreasonable rate.

untold cloak
polar kindle
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If you have a scaling joker, maybe.

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But you're not guaranteed a chips scaler.

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at least not one early enough to get 1900 chips from it.

untold cloak
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Normal game play you get 100000 on ante 8. With four hands that's 25k per hand

polar kindle
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only the chips part of the score, not combined with the mult.

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The number in the blue box.

untold cloak
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I know what chips are

polar kindle
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It's 2400 required before multiplication

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which is a tall order.

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Not impossible.

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but still quite difficult.

untold cloak
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That's basically impossible

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Stuntman only gives 250. And scaling often only goes to 300

polar kindle
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I mean, you have to have things line up very well, have high hand levels, retriggers on foil helps.

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it's hard, like really hard, but doable if you're lucky.

untold cloak
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Old stuntman was beeter

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But white stake should always be beatable. Like every run

polar kindle
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This is a challenge deck.

untold cloak
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Challenge is white stake

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Mathman why are you here and then gone and back

polar kindle
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Challenge is normally white stake scaling, but it's a miscategorization to call it white stake.

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Cruelty is not white stake. Jokerless is not white stake.

untold cloak
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Well cruelty is more red stake

polar kindle
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Red stake is small blind doesn't give a reward, so Cruelty, where both non-boss blinds do not give a reward is at least red stake.

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But comparing them is not clean, because they don't map onto each other.

untold cloak
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OKay. but back to the point of ante 8

safe hollow
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Your baseline for Chips with 5 cards and 5 jokers is 500 chips; to reach 2400 you need 1900 more chips

Suppose we play a Flush Five of Aces
The Aces give 55 chips, and the base hand has 160 chips

That leaves 1685 chips

To reach that with Planets, you need a level 33 Flush Five

polar kindle
safe hollow
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I think Wee/Hack is the only viable strat here tbh

polar kindle
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same

safe hollow
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And I don't really like the concept of a challenge that needs a very specific Joker setup to win

untold cloak
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If you get 300 from jokers. You'll need
2100
250 from cards with no retriggers
So 8 retiggers
But cards and level also give chips
So let's say levels give 250 and you have five aces
That's 55 + 250 per trigger
Or 305
That's still 7 retiggers

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On all cards

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Or 35 in total

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This is gonna be another math one. But correct this time. ||(sorry vagaboness)||

polar kindle
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bonus = 30*5 per retrigger as well.

untold cloak
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So 330

polar kindle
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455

untold cloak
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330*6 is 1980

polar kindle
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each card gives 11 + 30 + 50 = 91, 91 * 5 = 455

untold cloak
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455*5 = 2275

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Enough

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If every card is retigger 4 times

polar kindle
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instead of aces, should probably use faces, so 450, that gives you easy access to 4 triggers total, sock, dusk, red, self.

untold cloak
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That 3 uncommon things plus levels and deckfixing

polar kindle
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yes.

untold cloak
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With 1 retigger (what is what most people have) it takes tons of levels

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And good jokers

polar kindle
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I mean, my contention has always been that this challenge is more or less unrealistic but technically possible without skipping.

untold cloak
polar kindle
untold cloak
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Actually I don't know is VEIR had fun

untold cloak
polar kindle
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I never said it was good game design, I was simply neutrally evaluating the situation.

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if anything I think this challenge is a pretty awful idea.

untold cloak
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I think the challenge is like its name

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Useless, annoying, bad for our planet and one of the reason why humans are the worst thing ever