Chicot

[verbal plinth]

Please remove chicot it is low-key so bad for a legendary oh my god thanks

[pallid obsidian]

violet vessel

[ancient plinth]

@buoyant perch psst

[round isle]

Its not bad though???

[buoyant perch]

[tulip flare]

Remove people that want to remove Chicot

[strong iron]

Chicot hate is cringe

[late linden]

Chicot is good but like all other legendaries are better

[scenic chasm]

I think Chicot could be reworked to instead reverse the effects of all boss blinds (kind of like that glitch that happens if you have 2 of them)

[strong iron]

Chicot is better than trib and perkeo if your goal is to win as many gold stake ante 8 runs as humanly possible

Gold stake meta completely different than endless meta

[late linden]

True…

[strong iron]

Thats why game discussion should be split to endless and ante 8

[drifting depot]

me

[strong iron]

Plant easiest boss ante8

[cursive crystal]

chicot is not bad its just boring

[atomic fulcrum]

please don't rank cards based on dopamine output

[blissful bridge]

Maybe have it also give x2 mult on boss blinds

[strong iron]

That would make chicot actually bad

Like huhh

×2mult but the boss counters you so u die

[buoyant perch]

“also”

[blissful bridge]

thank you

[atomic fulcrum]

i don't think he needs it

even if you're not about gold stake

he's the second best legendary for endless

[cursive crystal]

Ok i feel like.that.is just Wrong??

i could see third bu ti don't see chicot being better for endless over trib or perkeo

Mayb i'm crazy though

[atomic fulcrum]

trib isn't really that relevant when baron completely overshadows him

you can probably guess that perkeo is the best one

[frank oriole]

Bro I won with 5 chicots

It was a flush house build and the ending blind was like 2000

My flush house scored 90k

[late linden]

Ok well 5 is goated

How did you do that lol

[frank oriole]

Also unrelated but 300k divided by 243 (the amount 5 chiclets would divide by) is 1.234,56790 repeating what is cool

[frank oriole]

You'll be disappointed

[late linden]

Tutorial?

Like did you use a tutorial

[atomic fulcrum]

i'm guessing it was seeded

[late linden]

Thats fine

[frank oriole]

Mods

I tried to find the one I was using but I couldn't

Found it

Just start a random seed. Go to collection and press 3 over anything you want modded or not

[nocturne notch]

Yes

[frank oriole]

Good idea. But I'm pretty sure I suggested this and it got like 5 's. So wacht out

[thick smelt]

we do not need the 10 billionth "chicot should reverse boss blinds" suggestion thank you very much

[lunar plaza]

Chicot is good but like all other legendaries are better

[round isle]

It would make it more powerful but the thing is its already powerful. Making it reverse adds kick and makes players feel better about finding them

I don't think it needs it thats just the reasons others want it

[thick smelt]

the issue with "chicot should reverse boss blinds" doesnt come from it being too strong, but from that being an effect that cant really be effectively communicated to the player. its like matador, you have no reasonable way of knowing beforehand how exactly it will work with each and every boss blind.

its a very modded effect, i dont think it fits into vanilla

[frank oriole]

Canio exist

[atomic fulcrum]

trib and perkeo are worse for high stakes

canio is the second best because fast scaling xmult is fast scaling xmult

it's not even bad for face card builds because you'll usually be focusing on 1 or 2 of them

[frank oriole]

Just have it say under the main description something like "hold shift over a boss blind to see effect" or have a chicot button on the blinds menu

[thick smelt]

that is. even more modded feeling

[frank oriole]

No way you just said one of the best cards for endgame is worse than can10

[atomic fulcrum]

high stakes usually don't go to endless

so trib's main thing becomes far less important as other jokers can achieve 400k points in 1 round by ante 8 in a far easier manner

[round isle]

Trib is better if your already in a face card build. But canio i fits alot more builds

[lunar plaza]

Canio hate is unwarranted

[round isle]

You can slot cannot into anything

[frank oriole]

What else do you want me to say. Have every effect in its description

[atomic fulcrum]

you also can't choose which one you get

[thick smelt]

im saying that theres no way to add this into the game in a way that doesnt feel modded

[frank oriole]

Bro is you destroy every face card in your deck. You still have less mult than 4 face card with trib

[atomic fulcrum]

you have to draw the 4 face cards every time you want to score

[thick smelt]

okay but to get that mult from trib i need to play 4 face cards

[atomic fulcrum]

and you don't need to get canio to 13x for it to be useful

2 hanged men makes it outpace every other xmult joker

another benefit is that it applies after scaling +mult

also perkeo is an econ joker for high stakes

[high cliff]

Ignore balancing, chicot just is more boring than the rest since it's an inherently more passive and less controllable ability

[atomic fulcrum]

a very powerful one but guarranteeing a win is better

[high cliff]

Chicot is strong. Arguably the 2nd best legendary, if not best overall due to removing the main challenge of 98% of runs

Its just kinda meh to play with, if that makes sense

[frank oriole]

Thank you

[high cliff]

It's unengaging, not bad

[frank oriole]

I agree so much

[round isle]

Thats what I said early but in less good words (idk anymore for leader)

I meant that mine were in less good

[atomic fulcrum]

yeah, and people conflate fun with viability a lot in this game

take idol as an extremely glaring example

[high cliff]

Thats very, very true

I want chicot to get a rework personally, but it isnt even close to neccesary

[atomic fulcrum]

it has an extremely high ceiling but the work you need to get there is genuinely extreme

[thick smelt]

oh yeah for sure but id rather have no rework than fucking reverse boss blinds i have a personal vendetta against that suggestion

[atomic fulcrum]

(it's also completely outclassed by the other sunk cost fallacy joker but we don't need to talk about that)

[high cliff]

Nah i fully agree

You are spot on in that- it reversing boss blinds would be a vague description and would still be boring IMO

[round isle]

Eh boring I disagre

[thick smelt]

it wouldnt really make it more engaging at the very least

[round isle]

But convoluted yes

[high cliff]

More hype than current chicot? Yes.

It still has the same issues of not being able to build around it or try to extract maximum value from it. It's still just a Joker which removes the major difficulty from each run: except now it also helps during these blinds

[thick smelt]

becuase you almost never have control over it

[high cliff]

It fixes none of my current issues with chicot

Its cooler/more hype, not more engaging or smth to build around

[lunar plaza]

The reason chicot is hated is because it:

1. Is generally the weakest legendary
2. Is certainly the most uninteresting legendary
3. It has the lowest power ceiling of any legendary

[thick smelt]

naw people just misconstrue 2 and 3 as making 1 true

[atomic fulcrum]

exactly

[high cliff]

1 - i think you should add that it's the general consensus, chicot is arguably one of the best legendaries for fitting in every build and removing th3 biggest hurdles most runs face

2 - agreed

3 - also has the lowest power floor out of aby legendary, which isn't me disagreeing it's just funny

[round isle]

Well lowest without bugs

But yes its always good

[atomic fulcrum]

canceling out the hardest part of the game is an uniquely powerful effect but people don't see it doing the work

[lunar plaza]

1. Chicot being versatile really isn’t enough when you have three crazy xmult jokers and then fantastic econ from perkeo

[high cliff]

It is when the effect dodges the major hurdles most blinds face

If you only see bad bosses? Yeah I agree

[atomic fulcrum]

yeah

[high cliff]

Getting bailed out of bosses who'd shut down your entire deckfixing, or prevent playing multiple of the same hand, is really really strong

[frank oriole]

I only really like perkeo. Because

Chicot sits there doing something. But isn't active most of the time

Trib froces you to play kings or queens. What really limits you playstyle

Canio is good but caps out unless you find things to destroy and add face card
(I can't deny that it's superfun with Para)

Yorick is pretty bad without many Andy or red deck (or drunkard ig). For a legendary that is.

Perkeo is not only strong but also allows about 14 quintillion different builds
(most of them ending up with Baron mime though)

[round isle]

You like legendarys to build around

[buoyant perch]

Nah you don’t get it, I can occasionally have my legendary be Juggler and give +1 handsize, or always draw -3 cards vs serpent!

[frank oriole]

Sorry correction Yorick isn't bad I just think it's boring

[atomic fulcrum]

calling yorick bad without extra discards makes you lose all credibility because it's the best joker in the game for high stakes despite blue stake massively hindering it

[lunar plaza]

Trib is stronger imo

[buoyant perch]

Rick is the best legendary and it isn’t even close

[lunar plaza]

But I like playing flush 5 anyway

[atomic fulcrum]

trib has a higher ceiling

but that ceiling doesn't matter

yorick will cross the 400k point wall very easily

[lunar plaza]

Yorik is probably the strongest for ante 8

[buoyant perch]

My problem with trib is it’s kinda overkill and it can just randomly lose

It’s strong but too inconsistent to be better than Rick imo

[atomic fulcrum]

yeah

[frank oriole]

I like legendaries that work with more than like 4 builds.

That's why Baron is my 2nd least favorite rare

[atomic fulcrum]

yorick, canio and chicot don't have that problem

[thick smelt]

and perkeo too dont leave out my boy

[atomic fulcrum]

... yet you despise canio?

[atomic fulcrum]

true

[frank oriole]

I just don't like canio since I always get it on abandoned deck

[buoyant perch]

Canio is still solid on abandoned

[frank oriole]

Or when I already did deck fixing

Altough making him retroactive would be nice. It be way to powerful

[frank oriole]

Better than tribe atleast

[atomic fulcrum]

confirmation bias is unfortunately quite common

[frank oriole]

OK I will change

[atomic fulcrum]

(it's literally human instinct)

[frank oriole]

I changed

Is this better

[atomic fulcrum]

wtf

[buoyant perch]

You know what that’s kinda fair, I don’t like campfire too much

[frank oriole]

Sorry to the campfire enjoyinger

[buoyant perch]

Just feels kinda bad, I know it’s strong but it doesn’t feel good to use

[frank oriole]

Just don't like having to sell 8 cards to get driver value

[atomic fulcrum]

campfire starts at 1

[frank oriole]

It's good with riff raff or a tarot card generator like vagabond. Because you spend money to fuel the fire and then you have vagabond value

[atomic fulcrum]

vagabond also fuels it himself

[frank oriole]

I changed it remove your X

[atomic fulcrum]

that's someone else

[frank oriole]

That's what I said in the first half

[atomic fulcrum]

this thread derailed pretty quickly

[thick smelt]

wdym this is totally still abt chicot

[frank oriole]

Every thread does

[round isle]

Every thread gets to chico except the chico thread

[frank oriole]

Except the ones that are sacrificed to the sheet

[buoyant perch]

Smh yall missing the campfire Chicot synergy

[round isle]

True chico does scale it by .25

[frank oriole]

• Sells chicot * "yay +. 25 xmult.

[frank oriole]

Chicot should scale it by 25

[atomic fulcrum]

unconditional 25x is pretty close to disabling a boss blind

[frank oriole]

Why can't campfire scale based on rarity

Common .25
Uncommen .25
Rare .5
Legendary 1

[buoyant perch]

If Chicot was canonically pregnant would that fix all the problems

[atomic fulcrum]

because it doesn't need to as long as you have a decent economy

[frank oriole]

It's like red card. You need like 4-16 $ to scale it well

Altough this scale 2x mult and red card +6
I see why it's a common

[atomic fulcrum]

those 4-16$ are being used on something you already spend your money on

you just get +3 mult instead of being forced to take a suit changer

[buoyant perch]

Red card is great

[round isle]

Yeah red card is solid

[frank oriole]

I think campfire shouldn't be a rare kinda.

Like it's too strong for uncommon so rare is good but f*uck campfire.

[atomic fulcrum]

it's still a very strong rare

[buoyant perch]

Tbh I just think campfire is boring

If you get it ante 6-8 you’re gonna win the run

[frank oriole]

But at some point you wanna take something from the pack. I personally and I really think you should know this. It's how I play what is actually taking things from pack or skipping them if actively bad. Red card can help a lot but I find myself needing the level up or tarot card more than 3 mult. Unless it's a mega pack where I can get 1 thing and skip it.

I think spectral pack with how much they can do it's great but they cause harm more than other cards so skipping them is fine.

Standard I think skipping is almost always worth it unless you find like a red seal poly stone. On a 4 card hand build like with spare trousers.

Most of the time for me I think fortune, green or bus is better.

Red card is great you can get +177 (or maybe 180) mult before endless if you get it first shop and get both -1 ante vouchers.

Damn that took long

[frank oriole]

What do you mean? its fire

[atomic fulcrum]

fortune teller has a way higher cost to scale it which makes it generally unviable without tarot generation

[frank oriole]

But you can actually use the card

[atomic fulcrum]

and most tarots and planet cards are worse than +3 mult

[atomic fulcrum]

suit changers and lovers don't impact the game much outside of flush builds

mult cards are underwhelming

priestess is unreliable

chariot doesn't see much use in a meta where most of your base mult comes from jokers

[frank oriole]

Plus it's how I play where deckfixing joker. Or something to help Me stay alive early game are good

[atomic fulcrum]

whar

[frank oriole]

I get your point of "red card scales fast" but I play with rocket and holo. Yes holo scales insanely fast for how easy it is. But rocket takes 3 antes till I catches up with golden

(4 x 9) = 36
(1 x 2) + (3 x 3) + (3 x 5) + (1 x 7) = 2+9+15+7 = 33

O more time I guess

[atomic fulcrum]

whar

[frank oriole]

Sorry wrong number

[atomic fulcrum]

what does this have to do with red card

[frank oriole]

It's not my playstyle

[tulip flare]

Having stability when game actively trying to fucking ruin your run is always great

[atomic fulcrum]

okay

[frank oriole]

I mean I did say perkeo was my favorite. But not for strength but for uniqueness
I fact I prefer weak things a bit more. I still like strong cards, for example ouroboros in inscription.

[half snow]

Who actually upvoted this

[lunar plaza]

@steel mason

[ancient plinth]

💀

[nocturne notch]

The most broken card ever

[frank oriole]

What, ouroboros?

[nocturne notch]

Yes

[frank oriole]

Love that shit

[nocturne notch]

I love getting a 200/200 unkilliable being

For only 2 blood too

[frank oriole]

I once sacrificed a mole man to it and it blocked every attack leshy tried and solo'd the moon

[frank oriole]

I'm on act three and my ourobot is so strong It can survive the hammer

It's a 205/205

[steel mason]

I did as a joke

[unborn swift]

🐴

[strong iron]

nah it's the obilesk of the legendaries

[frank oriole]

I agree but

God protect this man

[strong iron]

Yeah, so REALLY good

Obelisk is top teir

So is chicot

[strong iron]

LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER

[strong iron]

If u cant win with obelisk its a skill issue

It usually gets to ×5-×8 when played correctly

Faster scaling than yorick or madness

[strong iron]

i can win with it

but other jokers are just much better

Lmaoooo

Whats Better than faster than yorick scaling

And chicot gets rid of the thing that kills goldstake runs most of the time

[strong iron]

retcon/directors cut

[strong iron]

$10, then $10 to use, chicot is $8 at most and adds $10 to temprence

Also 1/3rd of runs you wont see retcon and youre almost never gonna see directors cut

[atomic fulcrum]

like what?

(i'm already predicting the answer is either a top10 or bottom 10 joker)

[thick smelt]

yeah but directors doesnt take up a joker slot

like if you dont have it then chicot is still gamewinning but yeah chicot is pretty replaceable by directors

thats why i still consider perkeo to be better tbh

[atomic fulcrum]

you can very easily finish a run with 4 joker slots if boss blinds literally don't exist

[thick smelt]

im not saying you cant but often times you dont have that space

like what if i took an early eternal that doesnt scale into the lategame?

[atomic fulcrum]

like when

[thick smelt]

can i win with 3 joker slots? usually not

[atomic fulcrum]

3 slots are enough to win if boss blinds don't exist

[thick smelt]

sometimes???

but not generally

it depends on your jokers tbf

[atomic fulcrum]

you have to be really unlucky for you to not be able to

[thick smelt]

sometimes you just arent scaling enough and need the space for xmult

[atomic fulcrum]

you need a good scaling mult, a decent chip source (this includes blue seals) and atleast 3x mult to get through 400k

less if you're using 5 card hands which chicot pairs pretty well with

[thick smelt]

yeah and that 3x mult isnt super common

[atomic fulcrum]

anyways it's too late for me to be arguing about this so i'll continue later

[thick smelt]

like its somewhat common but you can go a long time without seeing any

and id rather have something like perkeo to give me econ to let me dig for it

[buoyant perch]

I think it’s more common that you’re locked into a build that doesn’t benefit from Trib compared to Chicot

[thick smelt]

yes but also nobody was arguing that

[atomic fulcrum]

perkeo's role as an econ/deckfixing joker is already held by a lot of options that are also very good

chicot does something no other joker does

[thick smelt]

yes but that doesnt mean that perkeo isnt extremely good at what it does and is worth it over all of those other options

and chicot does what luchador does literally so thats just objectively false

and once again, it also does what directors cut does

[atomic fulcrum]

chicot is reusable

and directors isn't a joker

[thick smelt]

and also im not here arguing that chicot is bad i think its at LEAST a tier

[thick smelt]

yeah but that distiction isnt really relevant here

like it isnt a joker but it still serves the same role

[atomic fulcrum]

it fills a role that's more powerful than what perkeo usually does for you in ante 8 runs

[thick smelt]

maybe, but that doesnt mean its not fully replaceable by a voucher

id rather have perkeo and directors than just chicot

but also perkeo is so absurdly powerful i dont really believe that chicot is stronger in terms of what it gives you

[atomic fulcrum]

getting a legendary and a specific voucher is rarer than getting 1 legendary

[thick smelt]

it might just be a bit of a skill issue on my part but i find far more runs dying to being outscaled than those which die to bosses

[atomic fulcrum]

what do your runs usually revolve around

[thick smelt]

usually pairs

i most commonly die to just not finding any xmult

like i can have a +210 runner and a +60 groker but without xmult that runs just dead in the water ante 6

[atomic fulcrum]

you can double up on +mult if you need to

[buoyant perch]

I feel like it’s as fair as the 3 or 4 joker slots argument, like it isn’t some thing that’s exclusive to Chicot

[thick smelt]

im not really sure what you mean by that

[thick smelt]

you can, but 210 and 120 is still not enough without xmult

it just lets you live longer

which is nice, but that doesnt mean youll find xmult

[buoyant perch]

Like saying what if you have a bad eternal and you’d need to win with Chicot + only 3 other jokers, you could be put into that scenario with almost all the legendaries

[thick smelt]

it depends on when you find the soul tbf

[buoyant perch]

Chicot’s kinda unique in that it’s actually a good late soul

[thick smelt]

yeah but if you only have 4 slots you should not be taking a late soul unless you have something fully replaceable

[buoyant perch]

Tbf I feel like you can almost always lose a single joker for a soul, you’re not gonna be needing 5 entire jokers for scoring

[thick smelt]

i do agree but with 4 jokers its a lot more likely for that to be tight

like if youre relying on a chips joker instead of blue seals and you have like 2 x2 xmulters like

you cant replace anything there it is not worth it

and god forbid you have 2 eternals

[strong iron]

This doesnt mean that its better, directors cut can be reallly expencive, i guess it really depends on the current state of ur econ,

Ultimately theyre different enough to have pros and cons to consider when theorizing on possible situations, retcon/directors is closer to a side grade of chicot rather than a replacement

[thick smelt]

it can be, but generally its worth going down an econ level in order to survive a boss blind

like the reason i say director's cut is usually just a replacement to chicot is like

imagine you already have one and you see the other

if youre getting rid of one its going to be chicot

and if youre not getting rid of one, your chicot is very replaceable still

sorry also if you have chicot and see director's cut, if your econ can take it i think id buy it?

like if youre stable enough to keep chicot youre usually stable enough to buy directors

and if you end up needing the slot, youre not reliant on chicot

[strong iron]

Chicot also protects u from bosses that dont particularly counter u but still hurt you like the ox/tooth,

And directors cut is also a teir 2 voucher so youre not likely to find both in the same run persay, i just dont think the existence of director cut invalidates chicot

[thick smelt]

directors cut is in fact not a tier 2 voucher!

[strong iron]

Wait is retcon the repeatable one?

[thick smelt]

but yeah thats true

but i dont think those are really super significant?

like if theyre game-losing youll reroll them

[strong iron]

Rerolls the arm into the eye my biggest fear

[thick smelt]

real

tho in my 400+ hours of playtime ive never directors cut a boss that kills me into another boss that kills me

but yeah im not arguing that chicot is bad, and obviously saying chicot is ALWAYS replacable by directors is untrue but

im just saying i dont subscribe to chicot > perkeo

thats my entire point'

[strong iron]

Ive been trying to get 10 gold stake wins in a row and its happened to me 4times

I failed to draw a pair 5times

Im insanely unlucky

[thick smelt]

diagnosis: skill issue

luck is a skill just get good

[strong iron]

;-;

Ive also had retcon kill me by spending all my money to avoid a boss that counters me

Arm -> eye -> wall -> plant
$30 spent, no econ next ante died to no money to buy planets

But again thats rlly bad luck

[thick smelt]

counterpoint: dont have a run that dies to plant

[strong iron]

It didnt die to the plant

It died to underscaling bc i lost my econ

And i was rellying on telescope

[thick smelt]

oh i see mb

[strong iron]

Dude maybe im just really biased against directors/retcon

Saying it in chat made me realize that these scenarios are like 1/1000

[pearl gorge]

If you didn't have retcon, then you would have died to the arm

[frank oriole]

Who

[drifting depot]

can we tempt you? #1372557673123418173

[frank oriole]

Who should leave the server

[drifting depot]

uh

nvm

what are you typing

[frank oriole]

Also imma get hate but I don't care.

I my opinion Yorick is not the best not second but 4th. Because in most runs you get around 13-16x mult by ante 8 what is good. But you get that much with trib with 4 face cards. What is easy to draw. And by the time you're at ante 8 you could get a Chad or red seal and get 32-256 mult on a 5oak. But it's better than canio (by a little) because it's... Actually they're around the same level. Trib is still annoying to play around because every run is kings or queens. Perkeo gives money, scoring or both. Chicot the star of our show is 2nd but non the less really boring.

So basically. It depends on your playstyle. For me it's
Perkeo
Chicot
Trib
Yorick and canio
For you it's probably different but this is my list

You're the second person to say this

[pearl gorge]

Triboulet gets screwed by the Plant and the face cards are face down boss

[frank oriole]

It's the mark.

But I get DC every chance I get so it doesn't matter that much

[buoyant perch]

Yorrick is good for how quickly it reaches 2x and 3x, it’s fast enough early game and it scales into late game

Unlike Canio it’s consistent, getting 20x mult on Canio doesn’t matter if you can’t make it out of mid game

[frank oriole]

What's your list then @buoyant perch

[buoyant perch]

Yorrick
Perkeo
Canio
Chicot
Trib

I mainly like Perkeo cause it enables cool hands rather than just pair every time, my first black deck gold stake had Perkeo copying Death with Lucky Cat and red seal lucky jacks

[frank oriole]

Yorick is really strong but without extra hand size I find myself having to discard cards I want to play or scale Yorick slower. I can't deny the fact that it's the strongest scoring wise if we don't count endless.

[buoyant perch]

You don’t need to discard all 5 cards at a time, and doing full discards becomes less effective later antes

[frank oriole]

Same. But I like it because it fits with almost everything.
For the others

Yorick can't fit with burglar run what are common and grimbo, banner or ramen builds Altough it works with most builds.

Canio can't fit with most builds that all ready have been deck fixed but it's still not bad

Trib doesn't work in any builds that don't use kings or queens.

And chicot works with everything except serpent NANEINF. But no endless so chicot go brrrr

[lunar plaza]

yeah great but i dont think a joker's versatility really makes up for the fact that it has by far the lowest power ceiling of any of the legendaries

[frank oriole]

What chicot :chess mistake:
I get that but I like it for it versatility. It's bad in endless but other wise it's pretty good because your don't need to worry about a boss blind killing your build. You get more time to scale

[atomic fulcrum]

consistency is valued more than ceiling for higher stakes

which is what i think thunk balances things around

[frank oriole]

I rarely play higher stakes. But still like more consistent jokers because, I don't get them in the beginning often. And so I apply the deckfixing and scaling potential for like ante 4 instead of round one. That's why chicot is so high and canio/Yorick so low. They can work only if you build with them. If you spent have the run setting up a wee joker run and got like 20 2's then the 3x that canio can give from the leftover face cards is good but not as good as something like hack.

[atomic fulcrum]

the whole process of building towards yorick is playing the game normally

also i'm pretty sure a 3x canio is going to give you way more than hack scaling would

[frank oriole]

Not really. If I had to give up a joker for a wee build the extra 40 chips per hand is a lot nicer than 3x mult on a 15 mult hand. (on plasma deck)

[atomic fulcrum]

when did you mention plasma

[frank oriole]

Because 1080 chips with 15 mult on plasma is a lot more on plasma

[atomic fulcrum]

when did you mention plasma before that message

[buoyant perch]

Basing balance on plasma

[atomic fulcrum]

also that

1 deck shouldn't be the deciding factor

[frank oriole]

Who said balance

This is about why I like some jokers more than others

[atomic fulcrum]

you're ranking legendaries

[buoyant perch]

If we’re talking which one is the strongest then basing it on plasma is kinda silly

[atomic fulcrum]

is that not what balance discussion is

[frank oriole]

This isn't that though

[atomic fulcrum]

so it's just favorites

[frank oriole]

Yes

[frank oriole]

This is my opinion

[frank oriole]

And this is @buoyant perch 's

[atomic fulcrum]

you started your sentence by stating "yorick isn't the best"

[buoyant perch]

I based mine on strength and consistency at gold stake personally, I usually base balance discussions on where the game’s the hardest cause anything can win on white stake

[atomic fulcrum]

i love moving goalposts

[frank oriole]

And ended with it depends on your playstyle. Plus I said it was my opinion

[atomic fulcrum]

it's a statement

[frank oriole]

I changed it are you happy now

[thick smelt]

10 billionth balatro argument started by someone not differentiating actual power from personal enjoyment

[frank oriole]

Sorry bru

[thick smelt]

naw its fine bro dw im just messin around

just make sure to make it clear youre talkin abt personal preference in the future

[frank oriole]

I just changed it