Plant as ante one boss

[gaunt vale]

This should be a thing

[copper coyote]

it's arguably not as bad as the ante one boss bl8nds on ante one and only damaging later

[faint maple]

Nah,

Ante 1 too early for plant to be an obsticle

[waxen osprey]

It's around the same power as a suit boss though

[tough heart]

Not at all for ante 1

It removes all 1 hand win options AFAIK, and alot of 2-3 hand wins compared to suit bosses

[waxen osprey]

True, removes around the same amount of cards as a suit boss except it removes your best cards

Damn plant ending runs since ante 1

[tough heart]

Im wrong btw

Technically an A-10-9-8-7 (flush) can win, or any combo of 40+ chips.. which is a very narrow but achievable window

Its still way more limiting than the suit bosses tho

[vestal quartz]

What is plant minimum ante then

[tough heart]

4 atm

I could definitely see it being lowered, but ante 1 is a no go IMO

[waxen osprey]

You mean for a 2 hand win no?

[tough heart]

Oops, yes lol

[waxen osprey]

Well after looking at the list of the a1 blinds, plant def doesn't belong there

Tho I could see a2

[tough heart]

Btw I am assuming an ante 1 joker was picked up, but in my experience those still rely on high chip hands for a 1 hand win

[vestal quartz]

Thanks

[faint maple]

The point of the plant is to teach players to not always use face cards but all face card builds reqiure set up which you are not likely to get at ante 1, there's multiple jokers that are rlly good ante 1 that depends on suit

Or to pivot away from faces, or find an alternitive**

I should specify that

[waxen osprey]

The same could be said about the suit bosses

[faint maple]

Greedy, wrathful

Lol

[pastel fiber]

No? 4oaks (above a certain rank) and strushes still 1 shot w/o jokers

There’s not too many other ways that can hit 600 on its own even with face cards not debuffed

[tough heart]

7+ for 4oak, which you've lost about half of from the plant (7,8,9,10,A, so 3/8 lost) VS suit bosses which move the 4OAK post to 9+ (at 8, it's ((60 + (8*3)) * 7, or 588. This gives 6 possible 4oaks to win, so suit bosses technically make 1 handing with 4oak slightly easier, and Strflush wins no matter what so it's a non-point