Boss blinds at ante 0

[remote garden]

Ante 0, being a multiple of 8, should take one of the boss blinds (perhaps only Verdant Leaf, Violet Vessel, and Crimson Heart).

edit: it feels like something bad should happen on ante 0, because you're not supposed to be there in the first place

[proper smelt]

0 is not a multiple of 8

[remote garden]

multiple (plural multiples)

(mathematics) A whole number that is obtained by multiplying a specific whole number by another whole number.
14, 21 and 70 are multiples of 7
--wiktionary

whole number (plural whole numbers)

(mathematics) An integer.
(mathematics) A positive integer or zero.
--wiktionary

0*8 = 8, 0 is a whole number, therefore 0 is a multiple of 8

[proper smelt]

i stand corrected (youre still a nerd)

either way this is an awful idea and it doesnt take a genius to see why

[remote garden]

it would be quite hard. you'd be fine on checkered or plasma deck even jokerless though

but it also feels like something bad should happen on ante 0, because you're not supposed to be there in the first place

[proper smelt]

err

i disagree

ante 0 is before ante 1 and i dont see why it should have a finisher blind

[wind moon]

ante 0 will also have the boss from ante 1 unless you do the bug

[remote garden]

is this how heiroglyph always worked

[proper smelt]

yes

[remote garden]

dang

[bright glacier]

You don't have to cross it out

Its a interesting idea

Very spooky

[gusty pilot]

i personally like it

silly little easter egg

[keen ocean]

Only works with the context of ante -1 which isn't achievable so uhhhh

[plain osprey]

It's actually achievable with voucher tag 🤓

[sly moon]

It’s very funny but probably not balanced

[rancid otter]

And you're still in 4th grade /j

[keen ocean]

How?

You couldn't spawn Petro/Hiero legitimately and at the same time, you must clear BB to get the first voucher, and skip SB get the tag and then Petro won't spawn since Hiero is unclaimed and alr spawned

Unless i misunderstand voucher spawns, it isnt possible

[jovial wolf]

Ante -1 should result in a finisher blind with an infinite score requirement, since it's impossible to get to legitimately

[rancid otter]

https://youtube.com/shorts/-_ubavyNTbU?si=LjgarU6946q2rF1b

[keen ocean]

You could hit ante 1 then go back to ante 0 a 2nd time

[wind moon]

the voucher tag doesn't spawn the voucher immediately as you enter the shop

so there's a small window to get it

[keen ocean]

Not legitimately reachable and requires what I'd assume to be a game bug

[rancid otter]

Timing is a game bug

[keen ocean]

Being able to buy a voucher before tags happen, usually instantly and/or at start of shop; yeah that sounds like a bug

[plain osprey]

Timings in Balatro 🦆

[keen ocean]

Its like rerolling before the D6 tag, yeah I'd imagine it's doable but you can't convince me it's intended or a feature

[rancid otter]

Mime

[plain osprey]

What mime

[keen ocean]

Moving mime between "end of round" and "scoring" makes sense as they're seperate game states, or seperate activations

I assume that was your issue but I could be wrong

[rancid otter]

True. It's most likely a bug. But it's still a fun trick

[keen ocean]

It is pretty cool I can't deny that

I just don't think it's meant to be a thing

[plain osprey]

Mime builds don't exist, I don't believe in them

[keen ocean]

Say that to my Shoot The Moon

[wind moon]

gold cards are actually supposed to trigger on the winning hand and not a step after it

from what i recall thunk saying

[rancid otter]

Not a issue. Just that timing is in balatro. So you could make a point to say that is intended

[plain osprey]

For me it feels just impossible to get one 🦆

[rancid otter]

🦆 🦆 🦆 🦆 🦆

[keen ocean]

Why wouldn't they just work like steel then, except with a "final hand" stipulation (activates as they would score)

Also to be clear I'm not calling you a liar I just find it weird that it triggers such a way

[wind moon]

not sure

[keen ocean]

There's a clear difference there tho, it's like if you could move a mime to a BP and copy steels an extra time mid-hand

Basically, mime itself is inconsistent in how it's timing work, and from what Vic said, shouldn't be a thing at all. There's no real reason to assume it's intentional unless Thunk comes out and says it; context clues point toward it being a bug

[sly moon]

Dunno if it’s a bug so much as an unintended feature

Like naneinf

[keen ocean]

Ig that'd be a better way to put it..

Okay I disagree that it's like Naneinf since Naneinf is a natural end point unless you have infinite processing power

This is much more of a "bug" than naneinf, one could be argued to be a clear lapse in Balatro's OrderOfOperations

[sly moon]

Naneinf is a limitation of the way the game is coded

[keen ocean]

The coding language hitting its limit, no?

[sly moon]

Yea

You can get past it as mods have done but

[keen ocean]

Well yeah but that requires changing how the game holds values, no?

[sly moon]

Think I remember thunk saying smth about not watching to patch out naneinf

[rancid otter]

I know it's a mod but with crytid you can get a ante 8 boss on ante 0. And it's normal so the game code treats it like normal

[sly moon]

I believe

I’m not a programmer

So really not the best person to talk about this outside of the basics

[keen ocean]

Which to me, makes it different from simply not following the Order Of Operations;

One is a side effect of the coding language, the game cannot handle higher values (unintended feature)

The game ignores Order of Operations due to lowered game speed (much harder to make a call on)

[keen ocean]

This is how I view it basically, until Thunk comments on it I don't see a way this is an unintended feature since it's not in-line with how other Order Of Operations take place in Balatro

Because Naneinf isn't a bug, it's processing power's limitation (or the codes)

[keen ocean]

Thats definitely fair, neither am I, it could be a bug and I'm unaware, but I speak from what I know, and if someone corrects me, awesome!

[rancid otter]

I ain't read allat

[bright glacier]

Ante negative one isnt a multiple of 8 though so eitherway it shouldn't have it

[hoary mason]

It's a bug in a similar way that YOMI Hustle's "Fresh Milk" tech was/is a bug

[remote garden]

I might reframe this by combining it with a different suggestion, which is how I thought the game worked anyway

that heiroglyph gives you a new boss blind for your new ante

so if you get heiroglyph with the mouth at ante 6, you face a different boss at ante 5 but still have to face the mouth at ante 6

[kindred basalt]

You know, a much cooler easter egg would be to make ante 0 have identical shops to the last ante you played in your last run.

[sly moon]

Would be funny but stupid to code probably

[kindred basalt]

It wouldn't be that bad, especially in a seeded game.