Joker Reworks

[whole finch]

Some joker reworks for bad jokers

Ceremonial Dagger:
this jokers gains mult out of the price of every joker sold or destroyed, (this will have synergy with madness, campfire and several spectral cards)

debuff: maybe instead of adding double of the sell value, it simply gains 1 mult per 1 dollar, not so sure on this last thing

8 Ball:
gain a tarot card every 3 hands that score an 8 card

flower pot:
gain X1 Mult for each different suit scored (1 suit gains X1, 4 different suits gains X4) (synergy with wild cards, i already posted about this tbh)

[nimble wyvern]

You nerfed eight ball and this flower pot would be a strictly better version of seing double

[cyan wave]

Ceremonial Dagger is an interesting but IMO I'd honestly rather that be a seperate, chips scaling Joker

Changing ceremonial in such a way removes alot of the nuance and also it's main limiting factor: it being once per round max

[tender grail]

I like dagger’s gimmick it’s just a bit hard to balance

Rn it’s too gimmicky but if it gained mult faster it would be too strong

[tender grail]

Seeing double is probably not the best thing to balance around

Ngl if we don’t care about preserving the niche of flower pot it could just be a red version of blackboard

[cyan wave]

Its more about being a directly better version of another Joker, especially since it's of the same rarity, and not part of a larger set of jokers

[nimble wyvern]

nah, just essentially a joker that does the same thing as another but less thematically?

and don't mention blueprint or brainstorm since those guys have no identity and simply enable other builds

[cerulean matrix]

Why does dagger need a rework, it’s great

[robust monolith]

8 balls fine imo

It's not amazing but it's a common tarot generator and is by far better then superposition

Dagger would become way too strong if you could just sell off jokers

[cerulean matrix]

Yeah 8 ball isn’t as bad as people say

[tender grail]

I think seeing double should prob also get a buff

[nimble wyvern]

Seeing double is great imo, it's saved me many a time when I've needed xmult for pair builds

[cerulean matrix]

What if you play a stone card, 0x mult smh

[tender grail]

would duo not just be better there

unless you only have 6 or 7$

[cerulean matrix]

Duo’s a rare, it should be better

[tender grail]

shouldnt be a direct upgrade

imo

sure you have like joker

even then

it has a niche above other stuff

[nimble wyvern]

Duo's a rare

it's also another joker, so you can use both

[nimble wyvern]

With smeared joker, seeing double triggers on spades or clubs flushes while duo does not

[tender grail]

ok fair

that is a niche

i take back my criticism

[nimble wyvern]

sweet

(there's also splash high card for seeing double as well, you can really get creative)

[robust monolith]

Seeing double also works on straights where Duo would not

[tender grail]

in that case order would be prefered

actually with smeared wouldnt tribe be better?

but high card splash

[nimble wyvern]

aren't you noticing it's versatility?

[tender grail]

so critisism stays rejected

plus i guess being a worse version of multiple jokers instead of just being a worse version of one joker is a strength in of itself

[humble island]

dagger is good lol

[robust monolith]

It scales okay but it's using another joker slot to scale which just isn't worth it usually