knotty prairie
Purple Joker, Uncommon
"Gains +4 chips per unique rank discarded this round. -25 chips per played hand, lose 3 less chips per played and scored card." (Max gain of 52, minimum loss of 10)
Turned it into a tug-of-war about playing strong enough hands to not diminish value..
Im iffy on the first half (uniwue rank discarded this round) it scales AS you discard, so idk if it's clear enough."
woeful aurora
high card builds on plasma:
if you use all your discards this is +72 chips every round
if you play every round until ante 8 thats 1728 chips which is about 530k on plasma from one uncommon joker
calm jungle
if you get it shop 1 and can sustain it on high card with some other magic form of scoring Sure
and absolutely nothing else goes wrong
woeful aurora
aside from like crimson heart ig how could it go wrong
knotty prairie
if you play every round until ante 8 thats 1728 chips which is about 530k on pla...
Erm actually
Remove 72 chips as you can't find it til after ante 1 small blind 1
woeful aurora
685k on plasma
atomic solstice
ignore plasma this scales really fast
also another joker that encourages hc/pairs
knotty prairie
also another joker that encourages hc/pairs
Yeah.. thats the part I didn't think about realistically
The scaling is actually pretty fair when 3 - 5 card hands and how often you play them is in consideration
But for HC and Pair.. yeah...
knotty prairie
Purple Joker [REWORKED]
Reworked it to be both more unique and also, atleast IMO, be more engaging
warped lotus
feels too long
woeful aurora
now it feels kinda modded tbh. i think this is interesting though
bleak canyon
two effects
knotty prairie
two effects
By the logic presented, green joker has two effects LOL
knotty prairie
feels too long
And yeah, that's fair
bleak canyon
By the logic presented, green joker has two effects LOL
for one thing i didn't present any logic
for two things if green joker has two effects then this has three
calm jungle
i do kinda agree with you yeah
i like the whole deal of discarding unique ranks tbh, that alone could maybe be made into its own joker?
fickle geyser
Yeah I’m not a fan of it having 2 very different scaling conditions
knotty prairie
for one thing i didn't present any logic
Yes you did? You didn't explain your logic, but your statement hinges on an upside and downside being considered seperate effects, or "two effects." objectively makes 0 sense.
As for what Katie/Pixlii said, that's definitely more fair, maybe it could be streamlined
bleak canyon
Yes you did? You didn't explain your logic, but your statement hinges on an upsi...
it goes up when you discard, it goes down when you play a hand, it goes up when you play scoring cards. since it can go up in two separate ways i would say it has more effects than grimbo
if it was just "-5 chips when you play a hand but +3 chips per scoring card" that'd be one effect
knotty prairie
it goes up when you discard, it goes down when you play a hand, it goes up when ...
No, the LOSS goes down when you score cards
1 card would be 22, 25 - 3
Tho i can see that being worded poorly so myb
With your explanation, yeah that's myb
It wasn't a clear enough effect that appears as if there's multiple, sorry!
bleak canyon
it's not just that the wording isn't clear imo
knotty prairie
Then what is it
bleak canyon
it's what i said
knotty prairie
What you said is a misinterpretation of how it works
It goes up when you discard, goes down when you play a hand, and HOW MUCH it goes down is based off scoring cards
bleak canyon
it's what i said
the description says "+4 chips", "-25 chips", and "+3 chips". that's 3 scaling conditions
knotty prairie
the description says "+4 chips", "-25 chips", and "+3 chips". that's 3 scaling c...
Dawg
I just explained how it worked, and how I see the original wording being unclear
You're going "no, it's not a miswording" when it's INTENDED EFFECT is literally the same as Groker with a variable loss
bleak canyon
i get that it's the intended effect. i'm saying that that's more conditions than any joker in the base game
knotty prairie
Its.. its Groker with a variable loss..
Thats not two effects either way .-.
Tbf I'm not even trying to convince you its better anymore this is way off topic
vague raft
About the "discarding unique ranks" part, it would be pretty difficult to discard ranks that evenly without using hands as spare discards (which cuts into the scaling), and once you do get a fair amount of discarded ranks to count for decent scaling, it's gonna be pretty hard to form a 5-card hand with no discards left
It's very difficult to capitalize on without something like Splash, in which case it ends up becoming a HC/Pair joker anyway (but hey, Splash gets a use!!)
As it stands, it's unusually difficult to use for a common (ignore this, balatro player try to read challenge)
knotty prairie
Its uncommon
fickle geyser
uncommon
knotty prairie
It's very difficult to capitalize on without something like Splash, in which cas...
Which is why it's chip loss gets neutered from playing more cards :3
vague raft
oh wait
knotty prairie
From 22 -> 10 (1 card -> 5 cards)
I reworded it as Jmibo showed me it's wording was inadequate
vague raft
But again, it's harder to make large hands once you're out of discards
Assuming ten discarded ranks -> +40 chips
If you're then forced into a high card
That's a net gain of +18
Which still isn't bad, but you've lost over half of your scaling already from one hand
knotty prairie
But again, it's harder to make large hands once you're out of discards
Thats kinda the point
Its meant to be a tug of war between wanting chip growth and needing to play strong enough hands to win
vague raft
I see... hm
knotty prairie
I mean, if you discard all 13 ranks then play 2 HCs, you only net 8 chips (52 - 44)
vague raft
Kinda interesting that it both rewards fixed-enough decks (easier to play the hand you need) while also discouraging over-fixing (less ranks to discard)
It's definitely unique, I'll give it that
knotty prairie
I definitely think it's one of my weaker ideas
But a reverse Groker has to exist eventually
knotty prairie
I definitely think it's one of my weaker ideas
(In terms of design not power)
Originally it decreased lost chips by 5 not 3, but idk about that
It helps 5 card hands way more by giving them no lost amount, but it also buffs pair/2pair quite a bit
fickle geyser
I don’t think it needs the hand condition considering that Castle is also an uncommon
knotty prairie
And ik i made another change but I lowk don't remember that one
vague raft
The thing about chip jokers (especially scaling ones) is that they already benefit small hands the most, since their chip scaling isn't really all that great in most cases
knotty prairie
I don’t think it needs the hand condition considering that Castle is also an unc...
Ehh, ig yeah but that also thematically hurts it
Id rather a bad idea than an off theme one!!/hj
vague raft
The thing about chip jokers (especially scaling ones) is that they already benef...
And don't have as much benefit with large hands usually
unless flush, but then that means you're playing flushes, which, ew
knotty prairie
unless flush, but then that means you're playing flushes, which, ew
Toilet run
Flushes only + splash + wee