add an achievement for having both gros michel and cavendish in your joker slots at once

[brave dirge]

someone can think of a banana pun im too lazy to think of one

[slim coral]

How would you do that?

Oh I guess with two gros michels

[brave dirge]

get a gros michel, duplicate it with ankh or invis, have one die, then find cavendish before the second michel dies

[tired trout]

So difficult but not impossible

[terse matrix]

its just an achievement, it wouldn't unlock anything

i mean it could

[tired trout]

Fair yeah

[paper fiber]

If a Gros Michel is copied, all copies go extinct at the same time

[polar wigeon]

I already don't like that implementation (despite it making logical sense) but id love this achievement

[river root]

can you not buy gros michel if you have cavendish?

or does it extincting make it disappear from the shop

[somber comet]

this is false

[rocky axle]

Yes, and I'm disappointed that Cavendish can reappear in the shop after going extinct

[polar wigeon]

this isnt false it does happen

[somber comet]

there's nothing here that indicates it would. each gros michel is rolling the probability independently

[polar wigeon]

its litterally happend to me twice

becuase i have done it twice

[somber comet]

that's unlucky i guess

[polar wigeon]

and its in the If psudorandom

[somber comet]

it's not

you use the same pseudorandom key for analogous rolls and get different results every time

otherwise gros michel would either go extinct in one round or never at all

[polar wigeon]

do you want me to test it to conferm that it does infact always trigger at the same time?

like i know its how it works

[somber comet]

here you go (this is on an almost unmodified version of the base game with debug mode turned on)

all of them were safe except the rightmost one

after two more rounds

[polar wigeon]

okay i just tested it

using the debug plus tool

and your right

wow

that just means i had microspocic odds then

or the debug is diffrent but i doubt that lovely and the tool would change anything

[somber comet]

i mean i did the test on a non-steamodded version of the game so

[polar wigeon]

yeah.. still the odds of it happaning for me twice is bonkers

[paper fiber]

... huh. Color me surprised 😅

Could've sworn Invisible Joker copied every property of an existing joker, since it also copies enhancements and Perishable timers

[polar wigeon]

ikr

[balmy python]

Or showman

[celest grove]

It’s just 1/36

So like 3%

[polar wigeon]

thats for it once

i had it happen twice sepretly

1/1296

or 0.0007%

[celest grove]

Maybe I’m misinterpreting this but what I’m doing is looking at the round where one grow michel breaks, then seeing if the other does which gets to 1/36. 1/1296 applies to looking at a random round and then seeing if both break

[polar wigeon]

two breaking at once is 1/36

[celest grove]

Im assuming one of them breaking as a given

Idk if that approach is right though

[polar wigeon]

well 1/6 each round for a gros michel

so you can multiply them together to 1/36 that both will break in the same round

i had it happen twice and so i multiplyed the 1/36's together making it a 1/1296

[celest grove]

It’s a 1/6 for any given round for both. However if we look at the round where at least one breaks there would be a 5/6 chance for only one to break (which would be the proof that two gros michel can decide to break at separate times) this means we see a 1/6 chance for two to break. I believe this is the correct way to model this as you stated you believed this due to you seeing both break twice, this implies you went until both broke, which is why I am looking at specifically a round where at least one broke.

[polar wigeon]

but like thats dependent on wither the first one breaks which is a 1/6, your saying that when one breaks the other one has a 1/6 chance of also going which is true

your framing the question diffrently than it is and so the number you reach doesnt awnser it correctly

i unfortunatly havent gotten to do statisitics in school yet (to a meaningfull degree) so i might be wrong

but your framing feels weird

[celest grove]

Yeah I can see that

I’m gonna do some homework rn have a good day ❤️

[polar wigeon]

alright yeah have a good day

[somber comet]

it'd be 10/11 and 1/11 respectively

25/36: neither break
5/36: banana 1 breaks
5/36: banana 2 breaks
1/36: both bananas break

P(both bananas break | at least one banana breaks) = (1/36) / (5/36 + 5/36 + 1/36) = 1/11

so i guess there's a 1/121 chance that both times you have two bananas they break on the same round

[terse matrix]

not that rare considering that someone has to get these odds, like out of the 20k players actively, someone would get these odds

[celest grove]

Oh

The goat

[polar wigeon]

oh neat

well 1/121 isnt bad

glad i got it i guess

[meager siren]

wait... so does cavendish spawn when the game tries to spawn gros after you broke it