Name: Simple Joker
Rarity: Common
Cost: $5
Scaling (no)
Rng (no)
Type: Retrigger
Description: Retriggers all scored cards unless card has an enhancement or an edition.
How to unlock: Win a run with no enhancements to your decks cards.
#Simple Joker
serene torrent
tropic bane
I feel like that unlock, is kinda crazy for a common
chilly iron
Joker is meh
scarlet zodiac
its great for scary, smile, wee, and the greedy suit jokers early game, even and odd, but falls behind other retriggers alot. with out being able to make the cards better
and its no where near hanging chad even, alot of jokers cover it in better spots, but being a alrounder is fun
but i like it i think its pretty balenced
north kestrel
Other than the unlock condition, I like this
Also why exclude stone cards, that's an enhancement too
serene torrent
Ok I’ll edit it a little then
serene torrent
Yeah maybe I made it a little to hard
meager sparrow
I just don't think unlocks should involve other jokers
serene torrent
That’s fair
meager sparrow
Maybe "play an Ace through 5 straight where each card has a different enhancement"?
serene torrent
How’s the new one
meager sparrow
Hm... more unique, and not completely unrealistic to achieve depending on the build
serene torrent
Straight with only red seals?
meager sparrow
Though the current wording allows for playing just a red seal high card
I think it should be any five-card hand tbh
serene torrent
Yeah it’s more straightforward
meager sparrow
I think it should be any five-card hand tbh
Also lets players have technically multiple ways to unlock it, which I do enjoy
(splash)
meager sparrow
It's not unheard of for jokers to expedite an unlock condition
serene torrent
Yeah but it just makes it harder
meager sparrow
Four Fingers + Smeared for Brainstorm, for example
meager sparrow
Even still, I like the flexibility with which it can be unlocked
serene torrent
Yeah
sweet dragon
its great for scary, smile, wee, and the greedy suit jokers early game, even and...
Chad is weaker than S&B when it comes to flush five idol/trib builds but that’s still more retriggers
Having another full hand retrigger without having to worry about showman or invisible nonsense is definitely worth not having enhancements
serene torrent
Yeah it’s just meant to be an early building joker
sweet dragon
Retriggers are not an early game thing
The jokers that work best with retriggers are late-game jokers
meager sparrow
This could work as a separate Hack for Wee builds, assuming you're not enhancing your 2s
serene torrent
It’s good with wee or Hiekr
serene torrent
This could work as a separate Hack for Wee builds, assuming you're not enhancing...
Yeah
meager sparrow
This could work as a separate Hack for Wee builds, assuming you're not enhancing...
Which is a fair tradeoff for the joker being common
sweet dragon
I dunno I think this should at least be an uncommon
scarlet zodiac
then it has to compete with objectivly stronger retriggers for those builds
sweet dragon
Hack only does low cards
S&B only does face cards
This only does unenhanced cards
sweet dragon
then it has to compete with objectivly stronger retriggers for those builds
You can and often should have more than one retrigger
meager sparrow
I dunno I think this should at least be an uncommon
It doesn't let you use any of the enhancements that benefit most from retriggers (basically every scoring enhancement)
scarlet zodiac
what if we remove seals and editions?
meager sparrow
actually polychrome is an edition
sweet dragon
Yeah like glass and polychome
Polychrome is an edition, not enhancement
serene torrent
Oh yeah
sweet dragon
So it would still work with this
serene torrent
Uhmmmmm
It wouldn’t work with seals either way
But I think it should activate editions
scarlet zodiac
seals arnt enchancements
scarlet zodiac
But I think it should activate editions
you mean editions
meager sparrow
And editions on playing cards are not very easy to come across in the first place, so that particular synergy would be earned
serene torrent
Cause you can’t Retrigger seals
scarlet zodiac
yeah you can?
serene torrent
How?
meager sparrow
Gold seal cards can be retriggered for another +$3
scarlet zodiac
gold seal
meager sparrow
With red seal, this joker would still give one extra retrigger
Same way retrigger jokers normally work with red seals
serene torrent
Really?
meager sparrow
The seal is just one trigger more, on top of all the other stuff
serene torrent
Maybe I should just remove seals
meager sparrow
This + red seal would be 3 total triggers
scarlet zodiac
if it didnt work for seals it would be a more early game retriggering while you build up to red seals. and could their forargue its a common
serene torrent
How about I make it uncommon and let Retrigger on seals and editions
But then it won’t be an early game jokeer
Anymore
meager sparrow
Current wording already allows seals and editions
serene torrent
I’m aware
meager sparrow
ah
serene torrent
I’ll prob just leave it as is
meager sparrow
Uncommon can work ig
scarlet zodiac
yeah were debating over if it should or should not to signify its worth as a common vs uncommon
serene torrent
How about I keep as common if it removed editions?
Or I mean added editors
Editions
serene torrent
Well it’s not like simple can Retrigger that
sweet dragon
Yeah
lilac crystal
Unlock: play a hand without a enhanced card
serene torrent
That’s so fucking easy
lilac crystal
It's impossible to avoid
peak spear
what about "Win a run without having any Enhancements in your deck"
lilac crystal
Better
serene torrent
what about "Win a run without having any Enhancements in your deck"
That’s a good one
sweet dragon
Given this is a p solid side grade to hack and S&B I feel this should be uncommon
north kestrel
What are you really getting out of retriggering unenhanced cards
At that point it's jokers like photograph doing the heavy lifting
serene torrent
At that point it's jokers like photograph doing the heavy lifting
That’s the point
serene torrent
Given this is a p solid side grade to hack and S&B I feel this should be uncommo...
I’ll keep it a common but not let editions be retriggeref
north kestrel
Exactly, I'd keep it a common
I think even letting it retrigger editions shouldn't be a problem
serene torrent
I think I’ll keep it this way
sweet dragon
At that point it's jokers like photograph doing the heavy lifting
That’s the point
north kestrel
And that's why I'd keep it common
With hack and sawk the more important part is retriggering the enhancements
It's a worse version of existing retriggers
sweet dragon
The only real scoring enhancement is glass
north kestrel
Usually you'd first do lucky and then pivot to glass
And retriggering lucky cards is also econ
Anyway I don't get how that's an argument against this joker being common
It simply is a worse version of the uncommons you're mentioning
sweet dragon
It simply is a worse version of the uncommons you're mentioning
It doesn’t have a suit limit
Thus is better in situations where you’re not getting good deck fixing
Allows for different hand builds, too
S&B generally works best with full houses, 5oak, and their flush versions while you generally see hack with 5oak wee builds
This allows flushes and straights to be easily retriggered
And straights scale really well
north kestrel
While that's true, again what are you really getting out of retriggering a base card? 10 chips? 50 chips per hand at most?
That's very much common territory
chilly iron
While that's true, again what are you really getting out of retriggering a base ...
yea that is what i was thinkin
north kestrel
I genuinely don't get the argument that this is even remotely close to how good sock or hack are. Are you forgetting this doesn't work on enhancements or editions?
Like sure it has good synergy with Trib or Photo. But even there you'd want to retrigger enhanced cards, making sock much better in every single case.
median shuttle
I genuinely don't get the argument that this is even remotely close to how good ...
It isnt it
Well maybe Hack tbh
But that's moreso low ranks not having much synergy-wise
north kestrel
Hyper's argument seems to be that it should be uncommon cuz hold on Lemme find the old message
median shuttle
Not this Joker itself
north kestrel
Given this is a p solid side grade to hack and S&B I feel this should be uncommo...
^^
That's just false cuz it's a worse version of both of them.
median shuttle
This is definitely a common
north kestrel
Exactly, at best this gets you 50 chips
median shuttle
But id argue the poeer gap between this and Hack is smaller than Hack and Sock
north kestrel
That's definitely true
But that's cuz face cards just have more things going for them
median shuttle
Exactly, at best this gets you 50 chips
Its more joker synergy focused, but thats OK for a common
north kestrel
Yeah, this makes photo/trib better maybe
But again, eventually you'd want to retrigger enhanced cards
sweet dragon
While that's true, again what are you really getting out of retriggering a base ...
literally any on-score joker