small egret
Unlock condition: Place Blueprint on the far left side and Brainstorm directly next to it. (Added to the list of Jokers that can appear only once this has been done in the current run.)
Effect: Retrigger all other Jokers' on-score effects once more, in the opposite order.(All Joker effects that would activate with the played hand are triggered again, but from right to left. If copied, this is reversed for the copy.)
swift dragon
it is unobtainable
sand wigeon
not to mention very op
proud smelt
no
shouldnt be a rare
ridiculously overpowered, unoriginal and just fundementally not a very good idea because this becomes a must-have in ANY build
and thats not what balatro is about
small egret
it is unobtainable
why?
swift dragon
because if you do that. both are incompatible
so technically they arent doing anything
small egret
I know
small egret
It would just be a thing you do to trigger the unlock
also I know it's very powerful for just being a Rare, but this game doesn't have an "Epic" rarity or anything
Legendary is reserved for the Soul card
But theoretically, how could I balance this?
quasi tapir
because if you do that. both are incompatible
Not incompatible it just doesn't do anything
And this is a common idea and definitely needs to be a legendary
If it were to ever be in the game
fossil dome
isnt this from jens almanac or am i misreading it
thorny yoke
But theoretically, how could I balance this?
Legendary
small egret
fair
sand wigeon
Legendary
not even balanced
tbh
its just another blueprint but better
and those are already (arguably) better than legendaries
tacit heart
and those are already (arguably) better than legendaries
dont diss chicot
winged umbra
dont diss chicot
Chicot - Legendary Joker
livid ice
I swear Balatro fans will find any scenario to hate on Chicot
winged umbra
I swear Balatro fans will find any scenario to hate on Chicot
Did you ever think about how chicot is like luchador? Both are meant to be sold.
late kayak
that's an odd-looking flint you got there
tacit heart
Chicot - Legendary Joker
- Gives $10 when sold
better than canio still
fossil dome
better than canio still
hanged man -> 2 face cards
tacit heart
hanged man -> 2 face cards
me when i go 2 antes without a hanged man
when i could literally go with any other X mult or like 2 steels and be better off
fossil dome
me when i go 2 antes without a hanged man
ok
small egret
am I missing something? why the Chicot hate? buddy's got me through some rough runs
tulip cradle
compared to the other legendaries chicot is kinda just meh
tacit heart
compared to the other legendaries chicot is kinda just meh
still better than canio 🙏
tulip cradle
canio can(io) be very strong (though i did lose a run due to selling a joker for canio and never getting any hanged man or glass breaks)
winged umbra
I got chicot thrice in a row, lost each run with it. Chicot has appeared more than twice as often as any other legendary. I think I have gotten it like 5 times, but never even a single trib.
I just sell it when I see it now.
scenic locust
I just sell it when I see it now.
Hold it until you're ready to replace it, temperance value
winged umbra
But it's fun to sell chicot
winged umbra
I got it on already losing black deck gold stake runs where I just needed anything that wasn't rental or perishable with scoring potential. And then I kept on getting chicot, the only legendary that would be useless in that situation
small egret
oof
scenic locust
But it's fun to sell chicot
You know what's more fun than selling Chicot? Selling Chicot twice!
winged umbra
I do wait some time, I don't just sell it instantly.
fossil dome
does this mean the 5th joker gets retriggered 5 times?
past sigil
But theoretically, how could I balance this?
you cant
scenic locust
does this mean the 5th joker gets retriggered 5 times?
I believe it just means that you trigger all of the jokers once, like you would normally, and then trigger all of them again in order, as you would normally
late kayak
Since it triggers joker effects as part of its own effect, that would mean it forces joker triggers even if their conditions are not met—Shoot the Moon becomes its own +13 Mult, Flower Pot and the hand xmult jokers proc on any hand, Half Joker applies to four- and five-card hands, etc.
It enables synergies without having to work toward them
Therefore this is an indirect high card buff
open hawk
am I missing something? why the Chicot hate? buddy's got me through some rough r...
imo chicot is still Useful it's just an incredibly boring and dissapointing legendary to get
i would much rather get a trib or perkeo that can change the course of the run, take it far into endless, etc
proud smelt
Therefore this is an indirect high card buff
no?
wouldn't it just only retrigger whatever conditions are met
That's how blueprint works
Why would this be different
rancid scroll
Way too strong
thorny yoke
Is this brainstorm compatible
sand wigeon
It enables synergies without having to work toward them
you could say the same about blueprint
fossil dome
if this is bp compatible then you can just have an infinite loop probably
sand wigeon
it could just specify that it doesnt retrigger recursion
livid ice
Edit
small egret
Gotcha.
New Joker: Recursion (Legendary)
There, how's that? Now it's harder to get, doesn't give as much value by itself since xMults would be triggered first the second time around, and if you use BP or BS to copy it, you're filling up your Joker slots for no real benefit, while also staying thematic to the concept.
sand wigeon
its still pretty op
at the least you’re copying all of your xmult effects
which is what you’d do with blueprint
also also
legendary jokers all have the same unlock condition
“find this joker from the soul”
so if its gonna be legendary you shouldnt have to unlock it
small egret
I know, and that's what I wanted to avoid when I made it Rare.
It really shouldn't be Legendary or Rare, but that's all LocalThunk gave us, lol
sand wigeon
its fine anyway your unlock condition was impossible
small egret
It should be like, an "Epic"
small egret
its fine anyway your unlock condition was impossible
it really wasn't though
sand wigeon
its fine anyway your unlock condition was impossible
(incompatible)
if it says incompatible then the jokers arent copying each other
small egret
Ok y'know what hang on
sand wigeon
It should be like, an "Epic"
cryptid mod ass joker
sand wigeon
yea probably
small egret
lol
Oh wait y'know what? I got this perfect. I'll make it like Cavendish.
There we go. Now it's a Rare, but to even have a chance of getting it, you need to have two other Rare Jokers to trigger its condition.
Which also probably means your Joker stack is going to be pretty full.
livid ice
Opposite order isn’t really a downside considering you still get an x mult retrigger just like blueprint
Also you only need to do the unlock once and then you can find it whenever
tulip cradle
I don't think the concept of a Joker that just makes all the other Jokers happen again ever can be balanced tbh
tulip cradle
Which also probably means your Joker stack is going to be pretty full.
Once you find recursion you can sell your bp/brainstorm if you need space
Having bp and brainstorm is something you're already trying to do; you can just make them copy each other during the shop and move them back during Blinds
small egret
Yep
past sigil
Winmore??
past sigil
How
If you have BP and BS, you are basically winning
And if you aren't winning, it's cuz you got a lucky ante 1
swift dragon
If you have BP and BS, you are basically winning
thats the unlock condition
past sigil
thats the unlock condition
he said it would to be added to the pool like how glass joker is with having a glass card
swift dragon
he said it would to be added to the pool like how glass joker is with having a g...
oh what the fuck
