Landlord (Uncommon)

[pale trout]

Lose 1$ for every joker held (except this joker) or untill money hits 0$ at end of shop. This joker gains +1 mult for every 1$ lost as a result of it.

[woeful coral]

Should be +1 mult, + 2 is ridiculous

[kind shuttle]

When is the $1 lost? When a hand is played? When a round starts? The end of an ante?

[thin quiver]

This power creeps Boot way too hard

[lusty prism]

Not exactly since with Boot you still have flexibility to spend whereas here you’re forced to be broke and it takes time to scale up

Regardless the scaling needs to be toned down

[thin quiver]

Boot is 1:5 off of memory

[kind shuttle]

well, if it's per round, it's probably fine.

because it can't scale up quickly

wait

[thin quiver]

This is 2:1

And on the point of flexibility

[kind shuttle]

no never mind

[thin quiver]

I mean- static loss but static mult is better for consistency

[kind shuttle]

it would need to be ante to even start to be balanced.

[lusty prism]

Yeah I agree it’s strong rn and should be nerfed. I’m just pointing out their conceptual niche is mildly different

[thin quiver]

Oh no I agree

But this power creeps it as is on a near objective level

[lusty prism]

That would be worse than groker/bus/nova 😭

[thin quiver]

(I can see the flexibility argument, but since Landlord's mult doesn't go down, losing that money is fine long term since you'll need to buy less stuff overall)

This would be fine at 2$ : 2m per Joker IMO

[kind shuttle]

Well, if it's a frequent upgrade, then the only way you're getting money is if you sell the joker, and with it all of the strength.

[thin quiver]

(Thats a 1:1 ratio, but also costs 8$ per round if you want full slots)

[thin quiver]

Depends on when it triggers

[lusty prism]

It’s like holding 2 rentals so you really just need to get strong econ

[thin quiver]

If at end of round, gold and interest will be enough to avoid crashing the economy

[lusty prism]

I think on exitting shop would be nice

[thin quiver]

If at start of round or end of shop, I agree with this

[thin quiver]

Agreed, makes it an active consideration for Interest, uses a very niche trigger (only Perkeo off of memory,) and would give it a riff-raff synergy

(Get more jokers w/o paying their rent :3)

Honestly this would also work at 2:3 (2$ vs 3 mult) if it was at end of ante

Plus would probably put it more in line with mult scalers

🤨 for "I like it but needs tweaks"

[lusty prism]

I love how this subcommunity is slowly giving meaning to different emojis

[thin quiver]

This and the Sker Ritual are the only communities I'm active in because of it

Cool people who actively try to be on the same wavelength (compared to the usual chaos LOL)

[pale trout]

its +1 now

remind me never to trust my own balancing ever again

[pale trout]

oh this is also neat

it fits in more with the theming as well I would say
as in a landlord taxing you after you've done your purchases 😭

[lusty prism]

Naw dw about it king. Conceptually it’s a good idea, just needed minor tweaking

[pale trout]

what annoys me is I had it at +1 initially LOL

i thought of this in the give me any topic forum, thought it was neat and did it as a suggestion

but it was +1 there and I really thought "that's Too Weak only +4 per round 😡"

[lusty prism]

Oh wait it doesn’t include itself?

[pale trout]

no it doesnt

it's in the joker description just because thematically it wouldn't make sense for a landlord to tax itself

[uncut thicket]

Isn’t this just dagger but without the sacrifice?

[kind shuttle]

No, dagger will use the sell value of the card, this simply taxes $1 per joker.

If you have dagger + gift card or dagger + an egg you've been sitting on, that's a huge power boost immediately.

[lusty prism]

Mmm true

+1 is a bit too weak though I think

How would you feel about +3 per $2 taxed?

You’d at least be getting red card scaling at a discounted rate then

[thin quiver]

Without the opportunity cost of skipping, and with it happening, on most decks, twice as often

[thin quiver]

Basically half cost red card but you can't really skip it without removing parts of your build

[pale trout]

+1.5

per 1$

[cobalt compass]

likely when the joker takes money

[kind shuttle]

The timing wasn't specified when I made that post

[hardy galleon]

Why the caveat of until money hits zero? Just let it go negative and make it so money charged into debt doesn't scale the joker.

[pale trout]

i dont think thats a good idea

bbecause then this joker inherently acts as a hinderance if u dont have consistent econ

or early-game

money charged into debt also should scale the joker, because ur still technically being charged

[ember pagoda]

And that's why you'd want boot over this

Because it's risky

[kind shuttle]

If this joker had the effect where you go negative with no benefit, then it is way too easy for things to immediately and completely get impossibly far out of hand. For instance, if you have no econ, and you're doing the small blind on any stake except white, this would essentially mean no scaling, no money from the blind, no shop, no scaling again, now you're $8 in the hole, and the big blind isn't enough to dig you out, so no shop, no scaling again, now you're $5 in the hole going into the boss blind.

Honestly, no scaling for no money is reasonable.

The Landlord self-destructing at $0 is also reasonable ("Eviction!")