fading niche
• After idk? Rounds Sell this joker to get:
• But it gives you:(downside concepts)
Choose 1 because I'm bad at making independent decisions 
steady coral
None of those upsides are worth a downside, let alone those ones
Just make it so it gives a random jumbo pack when sold after 2 rounds
fading niche
Thats BORING
odd zenith
Just make it so it gives a random jumbo pack when sold after 2 rounds
Nah I agree though, the downsides are WAY worse than the potential upsides. This is a pretty good way to handle it
Getting two packs at the same time is pretty much not a thing in base game rn unless you cash out multiple of the same skip tag at once, having it only give a single one makes sense imo
steady coral
Yeah, I can’t imagine trading an entire hand for a single pack - black deck is barely worth it and that’s a whole joker slot
-1 handsize also makes you insta lose the run I feel
-1 joker slot is insane to even consider
odd zenith
I don't hate the idea though, if you get this early game / when you have a bad joker (assuming it's cheap) it'd probably end up being a "what the hell why not" kinda thing
odd zenith
But like
Why
This doesn't need it for balance and flavor wise it doesn't even really make sense, people don't put bad stuff in pinatas
steady coral
Not every joker needs a downside
odd zenith
The reward really isn't high enough to warrant adding risk
steady coral
The risk is you hold a useless joker for 2 rounds
steady coral
The risk is you might get a pointless pack
fading niche
Yeah you are right thanks
Well thats it. Sell this joker after like 4 rounds to get money and stuff
odd zenith
If you're feeling like it isn't enough text, just keep in mind basically every vanilla Joker has at most three lines. Simpler is better in 99% of cases, you really don't want to start making... shudders CRYPTID JOKERS...
fading niche
True...
empty parrot
I like the idea of holding onto it for 3 rounds, then selling it for 2 mega standard packs
fading niche
Whatever 
likes most
static sphinx
sell this card to create 3 packs, but +20% blind requirement
static sphinx
hm
sell this card after 3 rounds to create 2 packs, but blind size is increased by 25%
i think this is ok
maybe should be uncommon
fading niche
Make it a legendary
static sphinx
no
upbeat briar
Doesn't need the downsides, it's already a liability by having it in your joker slots
Maybe have it be uncommon and create two random tags when sold after two rounds?
golden tusk
maybe make it give a mega buffoon pack after like idk 3 rounds and have no downside
burnt cloak
• After idk? Rounds Sell this joker to get:
- 1-2 standard packs *(mega)*
- 1-2...
a real life pinata shouldn't have razorblades in the candy like this joker shouldn't have downsides
how about make it so there's like a chance of getting nothing at all
as the downside
fading niche
a real life pinata shouldn't have razorblades in the candy like this joker shoul...
A real life banana doesn't give you a +15 mult
burnt cloak
A real life banana doesn't give you a +15 mult
+15 mult to the potassium content in my body
odd zenith
You guys are buffing it for no reason and then saying it needs a downside to balance it out
odd zenith
Just make it so it gives a random jumbo pack when sold after 2 rounds
I still think this is the perfect way to balance it, assuming it's cheap in the shop (Max four bucks). Simple, not broken but can definitely be useful, and just in general fits with the general feel of vanilla stuff. I can't even think of a single vanilla joker that has a defined downside anyway, I really don't know why we're acting like it needs one
severe whale
I still think this is the perfect way to balance it, assuming it's cheap in the ...
A defined downside?
I mean, Stuntman (-2 handsize)
Or obelisk somewhat hut that could be taken as it's base ability (it definitely has a downside but not a defined one IMO)
odd zenith
I mean, Stuntman (-2 handsize)
Oh I guess that’s true, forgot about that one. That’s pretty much the only one though, the rest are like obelisk which have an inherent downside based on how they function but nothing direct
severe whale
Anyways, I think it'd be cool if it was "when sold, create a random Jumbo pack for every 2-3 rounds this has been held"
severe whale
Oh I guess that’s true, forgot about that one. That’s pretty much the only one t...
Merry Andy 🤓
odd zenith
AAAA
severe whale
(I'm kidding- direct downsides do def exist but shouldn't be the focus)
odd zenith
Anyways, I think it'd be cool if it was "when sold, create a random Jumbo pack f...
This is actually neat too, I wouldn’t be against this
severe whale
Especially for a common, it shouldn't have a downside outside of taking a slot
odd zenith
I feel like more people gotta realize you don’t need something to feel like the most unique thing ever to have it be a good idea, it just has to do something that isn’t already done by something else. (we’re ignoring wrathful and onyx agate)
This does something simple no other joker has already done, which is perfectly fine. Nobodies complaining about juggler despite that being literally just +1 hand size.
severe whale
I feel like more people gotta realize you don’t need something to feel like the ...
I think those work out though, they're thematically connected
Its more important to keep the 4:4 for the sins/stones than introduce smth entirely new
ALTHOUGHHHH
odd zenith
I personally don’t like the fact that onyx is just a direct upgrade
severe whale
Onyx Agate should give handsize per scored clubs
Maybe like 1:3
Rough Gem already gives money so they don't all have to be directly scoring
severe whale
I personally don’t like the fact that onyx is just a direct upgrade
Oh agreed, but I mean there's still a precedent for its existence
odd zenith
Oh well I mean I couldn’t care less if there’s a joker called onyx agate, I just want it doing something unique haha
severe whale
This does something simple no other joker has already done, which is perfectly f...
This is the sentiment I share behind suggestions here tbh
Do something that'd be fun for the game, not neccesarily good or bad
Juggler isn't crazy good, but it's a simple and fun common yolker
severe whale
We don’t need Jen’s Almanac jokers to make the game fun
I mean, balatro's entire gameplay loop is based off overcomplicating very simple mechanics
It should be about how the simple mechanics interact, not introducing one that's complex on its own
severe whale
Anyways, I think it'd be cool if it was "when sold, create a random Jumbo pack f...
Which is why I like this idea, it gives incentive for holding it longer and longer, which unlike Egg cannot have its resources help at any time (temp/swash)
odd zenith
Yeah I'm all for that interpretation of this
severe whale
The day I see this in vanilla is the day I know we've gone off the deep end
Dawg what the fuck
Could convince me that's a MTG card
tho tbf i do unironically think base Cryptid does a good job at being simple mechanics done crazy
odd zenith
I've never played base cryptid cause my one friend only plays it with jen's almanac so I don't even really know what it's supposed to look like
severe whale
I've never played base cryptid cause my one friend only plays it with jen's alma...
Jens seems neat, but it adds most of the new consumables, if that gives you any context
severe whale
Anyways, I think it'd be cool if it was "when sold, create a random Jumbo pack f...
Id make it this, but thats js my take
odd zenith
^
fading niche
Finally
