Finity, Beat Showdown boss blinds to get powerful Jokers

[lime kindle]

https://github.com/frangnosquest/Finity

This collaboration between me and @brittle lotus is finally ready for a first release, the mod adds a brand new mechanic to the game, Showdown Jokers, whenever you defeat a showdown boss blind you will be rewarded with a Showdown tag, said tag has the effect to create a Joker specific to the beaten blind in the following shop.

All Showdown Jokers are about the same power-level as Legendary ones, and can also be generated before Ante 9 with a new legendary consumable only found in spectral packs, they all have thematically similar effects to their relative Boss Blind.

The mod already supports Cryptid and Aikoyori's Shenanigans's Showdown boss blinds by itself, also adding cross-mod compat is extremely simple and explained in depth inside the main Lua file.

Finally, to get more familiar with these Jokers, the mod adds a new deck that turns all boss blinds into Showdown ones.

With all of this said, all i can say is, have fun! And if you find any bug don't hesitate to report it here.

[brittle lotus]

Real

[cursive merlin]

Lemon Throphy

[lime kindle]

It's getting late here but i'll add the mod the index so that it will also be available via mod manager when i have time to do so.

[urban thunder]

real

[brittle lotus]

oh uh
sleeve combination effect seems to not be working after the first ante?

amber is also not unpinning everything after i sell him

[upbeat mesa]

this is epak

[brittle lotus]

oh obsidian didnt give me his tag...

[lime kindle]

Uhhh, the first one is weird, maybe it was a run you started with a previous version, i'll check the others though

Yeah ante scaling works fine on my end

And amber bell does unpin the jokers just fine too... weird

I did miswrite obsidian orb's strong though, as for the others, maybe it's another mod messing with my code?

Or maybe you have an older version of steamodded

[brittle lotus]

no im on latest version

[brittle lotus]

it was a new run…

might be entropy or cryptid doing weird things…

im using cryptid-demicolon if that helps. i might switch to (bleeding edge) cryptid-main and see if it changes

[lime kindle]

There is a smaller issue with cryptid and the latest smods version though

As soon as i fix that i'll update the mod to fix the obsidian error too

[brittle lotus]

gotcha

what cryptid version were you testing on? was it stable or bleeding edge?

[lime kindle]

Stable

[brittle lotus]

might be an issue with bleeding edge then

[lime kindle]

Alright, version 1.0.1 that fixes the things i could replicate is up on github

[brittle lotus]

nice

...obsidian wont let me END THE ROUND now, im winning and getting the tag and then he's making me play another hand

[lime kindle]

...

Let me see

[brittle lotus]

if i was able to figure out how to record this on steam deck properly i would

(also lemon's display name is misspelled)

[lime kindle]

If it's because of bleeding edge i'll just download it and try to figure out what to change

Yeah on my end there doesn't seem to be any issue

[brittle lotus]

(i meant the boss obsidian, sorry)

[lime kindle]

Oh let me try and defeat ot without debug mode

[civic raven]

This is so beautiful

Wow!

[lime kindle]

It does work for me, idk, i'll have to try bleeding edge and demicolon

[brittle lotus]

it could also be entropy doing it, or just a weird random glitch

?????

[civic raven]

Lol do you die

[brittle lotus]

apparently not.

[lime kindle]

Is it copying any modded boss blind?

[brittle lotus]

its copying Nothing

[lime kindle]

Is it literally just happening cause of the mod then? Cause weirdly enough the only thing our mod does there is hooking end_round to add a few fuctions that spawn the tag and assign it to the blind

[brittle lotus]

i have no clue whats causing it, it didn't do this before the fix

[lime kindle]

Yeah there has to be some weird stuff going on in the background, i'll try and replicate it

It's not entropy by itself

[lime kindle]

I see now

I didn't realize cryptid switched repo, altough what is happening to me now is that it just softlocks, with no way to play more hands

[brittle lotus]

o.O

[marsh venture]

😭

[lime kindle]

I'm still painstakingly removing everything from the mod until i find what is causing the softlock btw 😦

[brittle lotus]

rip

[lime kindle]

Is it even our mod? I removed everything from the main lua, all patches and it still softlocks lol

I've fixed the lemon trophy thing for now

[brittle lotus]

could be bleeding edge cryptid being unstable because you know. bleeding edge

[lime kindle]

Yeah but now that i'm on stable latest ver it's happenibg to me too

[brittle lotus]

o.O

is anything happening in the debug logs?

[lime kindle]

Not really

I guess i'll ahve to ask in the cryptid server for help

[brittle lotus]

definitely do that, ive actually already made a thread for the mod in there

[lime kindle]

Yeah sorry i did just waste like a hour of my life but i just tried to set the first ante's blind to obsidian orb with our mod disabled and it softlocks

So it might just be a bug on cryptid's end

I don't have any other big mod installed

[brittle lotus]

welp thats a report if i ever saw one

definitely go in and report that, maybe with a video too

[lime kindle]

Well i'm off to work now, i'll have to check it thoroughly because i genuinely have no idea what causes it, maybe it's just that it doesn't like that it doesn't have any boss blind to copy, the two times it didn't softlock while testing i had gone against decision in the previous ante, for now if you want to play Finity with cryptid, 0.5.5b seems to work fine

[silent lion]

looks nice

[urban thunder]

Bug(?) Report
Having Crimson Heart marking Violet Vessel during a Boss Blind triggers the gain multiple times, giving more than x2 in the round

[brittle lotus]

the power of love

[urban thunder]

ch x vv yuri

[brittle lotus]

(violet is a guy but aight)

[wicked tulip]

Shonen love interest

[urban thunder]

wait he is

huh

In that case, as an enby guy

kinda goals ngl

[lime kindle]

Yeah it's intended, joker retriggers differ slightly from blueprint effects

[brittle lotus]

amazing, love wins

i dont know if its intentional behavior or not also but vv isnt replacing bosses that aren't in the last slot

[lime kindle]

It's more like something i've done out of mercy if you want to take it early with deck-sleeve combo. The wording on the joker text is still correct technically

Altough if it scales with non-vv boss blinds it's unintended, i don't exactly remember if i planned for that.

[brittle lotus]

hi um
periwinkle pinecone is making the game crash i think

even when (or because) i dont have him the game crashes when it tries to load a boss (i.e the goad) that can debuff cards

[lime kindle]

Do you have the log?

[brittle lotus]

posted it in #⚙・modding-general let me find it

traceback appears to be trying to call periwinkle’s anti-debuff check

[lime kindle]

I sure do love lovely injects, my favourite part of modding.

Can you see if you can replicate it with a minimum mod setup? I'll check if anything's wrong when i get back to work, still it's pretty weird if it's finity cause my inject starts with the following if statement:
"if next(SMODS.find_card("j_finity_periwinklepinecone"))"

It shouldn't do anything if it's not in your joker slots

[brittle lotus]

ill try with just finity and cryptid and then ill try without cryptid

[lime kindle]

And aikoshen

Oh well i guess the inject is still there either way tbf

Oh without

Nvm then

[brittle lotus]

?

[lime kindle]

Nevermind i misread

[brittle lotus]

i think cryptid does something to the blinds too but ill have to make sure

ok it didnt crash with just cryptid so…

Let me put aikoshen back in and then retry

it definitely does crash with cryptid + aikoshen.

now lets see without cryptid…

nope its definitely purely an aikoshen/Periwinkle issue

(but just to make absolutely sure ill try one more time with only aikoshen, no finity)

yep its peri

[lime kindle]

Theoretically it should crash even without aikoshen

[brittle lotus]

Peri doesn’t get implemented without aikoshen also being installed, so peri’s (apparently faulty) anti-debuff code doesn’t get injected either. That’s my theory

[lime kindle]

Ehhhh, it still gets injected but the if statement will never be satisfied because no joker has the id j_finity_periwinklepinecone

But it could be specifically something i did that conflicts with aikoshen

[brittle lotus]

you think you could try to figure it out somehow? its specifically only affecting the non-showdown bosses that debuff playing cards

[lime kindle]

Yeah i think so

I'm just not 100% sure it's my code's fault because it doesn't contain any "bypass debuff"

The entire code that makes the anti-debuff part of pinecone work is the following:

[patches.pattern]
target = 'card.lua'
pattern = '''
if self.ability.perishable and self.ability.perish_tally <= 0 then 
    if not self.debuff then
        self.debuff = true
        if self.area == G.jokers then self:remove_from_deck(true) end
    end
    return
end
'''
position = 'after'
payload = '''
if next(SMODS.find_card("j_finity_periwinklepinecone")) and self.seal then should_debuff = false end
'''
match_indent = true```

[brittle lotus]

let me send you my card.lua because aiko told me to look into it

aiko said "check line 4581"

[brittle lotus]

(as a completely unrelated aside, should the marks have tooltips or nah?)

[lime kindle]

I'll check it as soon as i can, as for tooltips it depends i guess, you'll always read the joker first, you mean on the marked cards or the joker itself?

[brittle lotus]

maybe on both to be clear

[brittle lotus]

obsidian is so funny with blueprint…

[lime kindle]

Yeah i tested it a few times to see if it would crash the game cause i wasn't sure if keeping it blueprinr compatible was a good idea

Anyways, i'm now trying to fixing the debuff thing, would've done it earlier but was exhausted

[brittle lotus]

it doesn’t crash but it does do very silly things

hope you’re rested now

[lime kindle]

🙂

It crashes when checking the card's suit so it could also be lasso.

That's it lol

[brittle lotus]

you mean razz? i dont think lilac checks the suits

[lime kindle]

Oh yeah sorry mixed them up

The wild card effect causes it for some reason

[brittle lotus]

razz’s wild cards are funny, if you play five or more of them they count as their own suit

[lime kindle]

Yeah i hadn't accounted for steamodded itself changing the arguments for the is_suit function, now it's working fine for me

[lime kindle]

They would also form a spectrum if any mod you have installed accounts for that

[brittle lotus]

he’s crying on the cards so hard that the game is just like “sure that’s. A suit.”

[lime kindle]

I have uploaded version 1.0.3 on github, let me know if it fixes the crash for you

[brittle lotus]

let me check it out

it works!!! the window didn’t explode my game this time

[lime kindle]

Still looking into that cryptid obsidian orb softlock, the blind works without any issues if you face the decision before it

well i have reported it, let's see if they manage to fix it

[brittle lotus]

i think theyve almost figured out what it is

[lime kindle]

New version of cryptid has fixed the obsidian orb bug, i've also released a small patch to fix other jokers behaving wrongly with the update such as amber acorn not unpinning jokers

[rapid blade]

this is peak gaming

[brittle lotus]

violet my beloved

[rapid blade]

guys what should i sell for violet vessel here

[lime kindle]

Mhhh, you could pivot off the violet vessel

[brittle lotus]

why did i just suddenly have the worst idea ever:
-decks that force all bosses to be one specific showdown, similar to the grouped decks for seals/stickers/editions/enhancements/suits that cryptid has

[lime kindle]

I'd have to see how cryptid handles that but if it's not excruciatingly hard sure

[wintry mesa]

Will there be more showdowns (by that I mean crossmod stuff)

[brittle lotus]

if anybody wants to make jokers for their own mods to go with their own showdowns they can absolutely go ahead and do it

but as of currently there's no other built-in crossmod stuff planned

[wintry mesa]

Ight

[brittle lotus]

https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Finity
oh apparently we have a wiki now

[wicked tulip]

Fresh

[lime kindle]

This blind deck, as i'm currently calling it is looking more and more doable, if you want to make art for it go right ahead, it doesn't need to have multiple sprites as rather than making a ui with a huge number of blinds i'll make it simply rotate from one blind to another when clicked on.

It's besides the point of our mod but i'll probably make it be able to select non-showdowns too cause it's funny

[brittle lotus]

ill try putting together something in the morning
also stupid question but will marks ever get tooltips?

[lime kindle]

I have yet to check for feasibility cause i worked this weekend but if it's possible absolutely.

[wintry mesa]

so uh, there might be a problem

Obsidian orb doesn't seem to normally copy off of other obsidian orbs, but it seems to be doing that right now, and it retriggers for a really long time too

it probably might be due to the gold foil but I'd have to test that

[lime kindle]

What mod? I can try and make that condition stricter just in case

[solid jackal]

gold foil is from prism if I am not mistaken

[maiden ginkgo]

this may be my fault

it isn't gold foil

obsidian orb just seems to be bugged if you have multiple

it copies the other orbs

also sidenote, it consistently causes the game to crash without a log if I make copies of it with debugPlus

not a big deal, just letting you know

[brittle lotus]

never the selves shall meet

[maiden ginkgo]

but like, orbs shouldn't copy each other right?

the description says so

[maiden ginkgo]

thank you again for the amazing art you did for us btw

[brittle lotus]

thank

[lime kindle]

Weird, it didn't when i was testing it, i have to check

[maiden ginkgo]

they trigger 4 times each if i have 2 of them and another joker

may be another mod causing this

[wintry mesa]

yeah when I have three it triggers so much more

[brittle lotus]

not sure which one looks better or if these even look alright at all.

[primal topaz]

Interesting

W concept

[wicked tulip]

VV concept*

[wintry mesa]

Is this a new deck or the back art for the VV Joker

[brittle lotus]

planning on a new set of decks (similar to cryptid' edition decks) that force all bosses to one specific boss

[brittle lotus]

vanilla showdown decks

[brittle lotus]

crimson appears to be causing crashes with brainstorm

crash report from cass (who i definitely didnt bribe into playing the mod /j)

oh and uh there appears to be a glitch where showdown tags can be duplicated which causes another crash...

the triple/quadruple/quintuple tags (cryptid) seem to be the cause

[lime kindle]

Alright, i'll see what i can do for that

[brittle lotus]

check the interaction with energia too

[brittle lotus]

also i finished this atlas

"All Boss Blinds are (selected Showdown)
Boss Blinds cannot be rerolled"

[lime kindle]

Now that i think about it the obsidian orb one might be a bit broken... lol whatever its cryptid

I'm still working on it btw, trying to figure out how to swap between one and the other, the making it do stuff when you click on it was the easy part

Also i'll just remove director's cut from the voucher pool when you use the decks

[lime kindle]

it's slowly coming together

[plucky flicker]

can you put the normal blind in there

[lime kindle]

maybe as a second deck since it would clutter a lot

[plucky flicker]

it called the blind deck

can ye just do what cryptid do and make a ui for deck selection

[lime kindle]

it's a placeholder, it'll either be called Showdown deck or something else, i could've just copy-pasted the way cryptid does it but i thought it looked prettier this way

[zinc wind]

Is it possible that the game would crash if the tag for a showdown boss was made in a different way other than beating the boss?

I used a code card from cryptid that copies last tag used and it was the showdown one, and log said something about creating or centering joker was nil and mentioned the showdown tag

[lime kindle]

Yeah it was reported and will be fixed in the next update

[zinc wind]

Thanks you guys are the best

[brittle lotus]

things freh needs to do:
-the blind decks
-fixing the tag crash
-figuring out the crimson crash
-obsidian weirdness
-mark tooltips

[lime kindle]

The showdown blind deck is basically done, now i'll try to fix as many bugs and possible and release an update

[brittle lotus]

stupid question but would it be possible to add a check to violet's blind replacement so that he:
-doesn't replace aikoshen's master blinds
-replaces aikoshen's expert blinds with Inflation (since thats pretty close)

[lime kindle]

Then i really really really have to look into the tooltips

[lime kindle]

Ehhhhhhhh, it depends on how said code is implemented on aikoyori's side, worst case scenario i can simply make them appear as a random chance

[brittle lotus]

alright

another thing is possibly more custom rarities to the vermi and verdant arrays, would it be possible to add the Entropy (and/or POLTERWORX, if you really hate everything) rarities in there?

[lime kindle]

Oh yeah definitely, should i just make them above exotic?

[brittle lotus]

Legendary? should be in the same spot as the normal Legendaries, Entropic should be above Exotic, maybe don't include Zenith
as for pwx uhh just go with whatever WORX™️ (ba dum tss) since im scared to touch that mod

[lime kindle]

Uhhhhh yeah, sure, i'm very confused having played neither mod but i'll figure it out 🙂

So, for now let's say the showdown blind decks and the crimson brainstorm fix are done, i'll get to the rest

[brittle lotus]

you can probably check on their wiki pages for info

[lime kindle]

Ah ok there is literally a rarity called "Legendary?"

Got it

[brittle lotus]

lol

[lime kindle]

I could add zenith just to verdant leaf and not vermillion virus

[brittle lotus]

thats true

[lime kindle]

Writing this to remind myself to look into more fluff's dx boss blinds and how they interact with VV too

[upbeat mesa]

this goes well together with Finity

[plucky flicker]

i agree

[lime kindle]

To avoid further wait i released a new version with the grouped decks and all reported crashes fixed while i work on the remaining stuff.
All i could do for the showdown tag for now is just not make it work when copied instead of crashing, it's something i have to solve with the cryptid devs themselves so for now i just made it account for being wrongly copied (showdown tag is completely unaffected by the vanilla double tag by the way, it's just something i can't do myself with the cryptid ones)

[humble nimbus]

when i click on second deck (all bosses are one chosen boss), game crashes. I have plentiful of mods so i'll go test something

prism crashes it

[lime kindle]

Oh yeah i have to change a few things to account for showdowns that don't have direct compatibility

[maiden ginkgo]

yeah, this crashes with any mod that adds showdowns rn

[vagrant drum]

idk if this is relevant to this since i havent tested but they shouldnt be able to replace burning brimstone either

[lime kindle]

i'll check

btw i fixed it

[vagrant drum]

nice

burning brimstone always shows up on ante 32 its basically designed to be the final boss and theres currently no way around it

even if you skip ante 32 by going from 31 to 33 directly

[lime kindle]

altough i'm not sure if the deck should be able to select all boss blinds or just the ones accounted for via cross-mod

it's the former for now

[vagrant drum]

i mean its funny either way to be able to select any boss blind especially if its useless

[lime kindle]

the downside is that it uses a placeholder back sprite and the display name of the unaccounted modded blinds is a bit wonky

[vagrant drum]

you should let mods define their own back sprites and/or define back sprites for mods you have crossmod with

[lime kindle]

yeah i did

[vagrant drum]

nice

[lime kindle]

there's a table for that just like the jokers

[zinc wind]

@lime kindle i just made a repo with a zip of the mods i use and one of them is yours, viewers kep asking and I am asking you if you are fine with that!

[lime kindle]

Sure, go right ahead!

[humble nimbus]

uuuh, where is my consumable slots?

[wicked tulip]

Consumed

[lime kindle]

uhhhhhhhhhh, not sure it's my mod causing that

[brittle lotus]

violet ate them /j

[brittle lotus]

should the challenge sleeve give the corresponding showdown joker (if it exists) at the start instead of its usual effect if paired with the boss deck

[lime kindle]

Sure, i wanted to do something similiar anyways

[lime kindle]

Alright, with the new update i caught up with everything discussed here except for the deck/sleeve combo above

I elected to not add direct compat with polterworx as of right now since i'm not terminally online and have no idea about what happened with that mod 🫠

[distant grove]

Starting a taunting deck run

[lime kindle]

Weird, that's on me for not testing if that part (removing director's cut and retcon from the pool) specifically worked but checking how cryptid does it it seemed a no-brainer

[distant grove]

Challenger deck gameplay be like

[lime kindle]

should be fixed

[distant grove]

Also it disables rarity display for some reason, just noticed that

[lime kindle]

oh wait...

yeah idk how i didn't notice

let me see what i did wrong

[lime kindle]

fixed that too, thanks for the quick reports

[brittle lotus]

more bad ideas:
seeing what Entropy is doing with its special boss it would be funny (but also stupid) for the other showdowns to have special game over quips if you lose to them

entopy does have unique code to replace the Jimbo that shows up with the respective joker so you could steal that

[distant grove]

Seems like it now logs stuff when you hover over card or smth

My stupid ass thought that I somehow caused this by hooking ease_ante lol, somehow I didn't realize I literally only now downloaded Finity update

[lime kindle]

I did remove it, sorry, there was a small period of time where i forgot it and it was free to download

[distant grove]

You sure? I updated like, less than a hour ago i think

[lime kindle]

Yeah

Maybe the release didn't get the updated file for some reason

Try downlading the repo as zip

[distant grove]

Huh

[distant grove]

Yeah guess that is the case

[lime kindle]

Hadn't seen this, i'll try and see if i can make it modular so that even other mods can add it relatively easily

[brittle lotus]

ill probably have to write those quotes myself too

[lime kindle]

I was also thing eventually to try and add some sort of compat for the multiplayer mod since right now this mod would do nothing with it

Maybe just a few tweaks and have the finity consumable randomly appear to both players after a nemesis blind

[brittle lotus]

that would be fun

[brittle lotus]

idk if its your current priority but mark tooltips arent showing up still

[idle geyser]

fire

[lime kindle]

That's weird, it's working fine on my end

[brittle lotus]

idk if its a cryptid thing or what

[lime kindle]

Let me try

Oh that's true

It's probably being overwritten by something cryptid does

[lime kindle]

made a quick fix for it

[zinc wind]

when removed finity game didnt crash, it happens only on hover of skip buttons

[lime kindle]

yeah sorry, wrongly removed a pretty important part of a function, i just fixed this

[distant grove]

Oh that's cool

[wicked tulip]

Holy shit

Balatro dating sim

[brittle lotus]

that would be really funny but no

[maiden ginkgo]

i know what my next mod will be..

[wicked tulip]

The dates are at a casino, you’re gambling

[brittle lotus]

finity dating sim... i would date vv (platonically of course)

[maiden ginkgo]

real

[wicked tulip]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1373750184089223328 why of course

[brittle lotus]

idk if that thread would exactly appreciate me violetposting since it seems to be more of a nine sols thread

[urban thunder]

I mean there's Catty Undertale so I think that works :p

"I welcome anyone to put any chubby art here as well" she said :p

[eager granite]

challenge decks?

[lime kindle]

No the joker, custom quips when you lose to their respective blind

[eager granite]

ahh i saw the Crimson Heart on the deck so i thought it was that

[lime kindle]

That's the tauning deck, it's already in the mod

[vagrant drum]

dont try to date ee challenge gone wrong

[wicked tulip]

If you aren’t at least considering trying to romance a reality warping deity, what do you play games for?

-# Sucker for Love is a game

[vagrant drum]

lmao

[wicked tulip]

I mean you don’t put a 12-smth feet tall Egyptian shadow-catgirl in front of someone and expect them to keep their composure

[wicked tulip]

God damn, that sentence stunlock everyone in the thread or something?

[urban thunder]

I knew there was a reason the framework was called Löve2D and it was all for this moment

[brittle lotus]

It is a mystery.
-# Hooked on You is also a game

[wicked tulip]

I know what I’m checking out next

[wicked tulip]

Love not enough, or love too much?

[eager granite]

Ahh I see I've only ever have looked at the vanilla decks so.

[eager granite]

They did that with a different cat girl and I'm pretty sure we all know who that is.

[civic jackal]

Obsidian Orb doesn't copy retriggers?

[brittle lotus]

what are you trying to copy exactly

[civic jackal]

Any joker that does retriggers and sometimes it might say Again! but it doesn't retrigger anything.

[brittle lotus]

...can i have an example

[brittle lotus]

well i can tell that that won't do

uhh @lime kindle
when you get back i need you to answer this

[civic jackal]

I do have a solution that would fix this and similar problems.

Also it would fix the problem that it goes before everything else aswell.

[lime kindle]

Is it just adding it as an event?

[civic jackal]

No.

That would make it worse.

[lime kindle]

I see, what do i need to do then?

From what i can guess it could also be the fact that i had to use SMODS.calculate_effect instead of returning since it has to handle multiple copies

[civic jackal]

You need a function like this: Then you need to do this:

[lime kindle]

Ah recursion

Got it

I'll try it when i get back home

[lime kindle]

That works wonderfully, i'll finish a few things up and it's gonna be in the next update.

[lime kindle]

Alright, before i head off to sleep, i released the new update containing the above change, unique game over quips for all showdowns in the mod and the first partner based on verdant leaf, the scrooge, more partners will be added as i code them.

[brittle lotus]

theres uh. currently a crash with the cardsleeves stuff

[rough orchid]

That sounds really interesting and I look forward to your work.

[civic jackal]

The sleeves are still outside of the compat folder when the atlas is looking for them inside the compat folder.

[untold moss]

obsidian orb and brainstorm copy each other recursively i think

they copied Sacrifice and it generated 80 jokers rather than the expected 12

[lime kindle]

I guess it shouldn't be blueprint compatible itself since it creates a lot of issues

[zinc wind]

getting the same crash as @civic jackal sleeve dings in compat are a no

[lime kindle]

alright, new patch should address everything reported here and a few more things

[brittle lotus]

reeal

[lime kindle]

right i should probably draft a release

here you go

[keen lodge]

sah dudes, what other mods is Finity compatible with? In terms of showdown blinds (Except for Cryptid and Entropy I mean)

[wicked tulip]

Partner, apparently

[lime kindle]

And deck sleeves, but for joker as of right now those two are the only ones, some mods are working on adding compat on their own though

[wicked tulip]

Scrooge though

[brittle lotus]

aikoshen

[lime kindle]

Right, mistakenly thought he wrote it

[sacred oasis]

considering implementing morefluff crossmod

for reference, morefluff has "DX Blinds" which are optional ante 8 replacements

[brittle lotus]

so ive heard
what’s your idea

[sacred oasis]

i could probably map the showdown ones to the existing showdown jokers

and make some new ones for the non-showdown dxs

e.g. The Needle - At start of blind, convert all but one hand into 2 discards each

[brittle lotus]

that could possibly work?

[sacred oasis]

as for the designs for the nonshowdowns i could just do something simple like "monocolour person with symbol on face"

though full new designs would be nice(?)

[wicked tulip]

Masks

🎭

[idle geyser]

👀

[wintry mesa]

what’s this about a blind deck that I’m hearing about

[brittle lotus]

challenger’s deck: all boss blinds are Showdowns, start with extra money and Director’s Cut
taunting deck(s): all boss blinds are a Showdown of your choice

[wintry mesa]

I see

I’ll go and check that out later

[vagrant drum]

the patches that check for adding the correct joker when you lose/win the run specifically check against G.GAME.won which firstly isnt needed and secondly actually causes it to not work if you beat the boss on the ante that would usually be the win ante since G.GAME.won will get set to true before the carc character can get added

[lime kindle]

It is intended to only work when losing to the boss blind, jimbo appears on the winning screen as usual.

Does the win screen wrongly display the showdown jokers on your end? Cause it didn't back when i was testing it.

[vagrant drum]

the win screen only displays them if you win before ante 8

which as far as i know only occurs with debugplus

sorry for the late reply i kinda forgot

iirc the losing ones work as usual so idk whats going on actually

i think i reported a false alarm

cause i misunderstood how it was meant to work

[lime kindle]

Gotcha

[wintry mesa]

is there a template for finity jokers
I want to do one for fun since I don't think my mod will see the light of day for a long time

[brittle lotus]

let me find the base layers i posted

#1224362333208444989 message

that should be everything for the background, you can probably just trace the hat onto your silly little guy(s) for the soul layer

[wintry mesa]

thanks man

card shading might be a bit of an issue but I'll figure it out (maybe)

[frank breach]

what if normal boss blinds tho?

[frank breach]

I can art if yes

[lime kindle]

They aren't in the mod mostly due to balancing, notmario's crossmod is gonna have them as a reward for defeating the corresponding dx boss blind

[wintry mesa]

took a lot of reverse engineering and all that, but this is probably the best I can do with shading
did i do well here? (I also forgot to adjust for plaque size)

[brittle lotus]

looks good

though if you like it yourself thats all that really matters

[wintry mesa]

eeeh I don't exactly like the shading but it matches up to the others so its fine

I'm going to try to draw the joker itself now

[maiden ginkgo]

doing some cross mod for prism

[static bison]

adds a showdown blind time for me to make a catgirl, probably

[brittle lotus]

real and based

[lime kindle]

two more partners have been added recently, the glutton for violet vessel and the klutz for amber acorn

[wicked tulip]

Klutz?

Oh yeah, dropping shi and now things are out of order

[static bison]

i have no idea how long this will take because art is not my skill

[wicked tulip]

I’m sure designing the character takes longer than making them in art form

[uncut vortex]

Is there a showdown joker template?

[wicked tulip]

Iirc the showdown jokers do have that soul thing going on so the backgrounds and characters are separate, you can yoink a background and recolour it

[uncut vortex]

The shading tho

[wicked tulip]

Pardon?

[uncut vortex]

The cards have dark and light shading, and I want to make it so it has the right shading in relation to the color of the card

[wicked tulip]

P sure you can just choose any generally darker/lighter colour (but an actual colour not white or black) in that shape on a different layer and choose the overlay option or smth

[brittle lotus]

i think i just used like a dark blue with Multiply lol

[untold moss]

finity/partner crossmod gave me a crash

VV killed me upon entering the big blind in ante 1

[nocturne bane]

when the vessel is violet
(used partner, cardsleeves, morefluff, ortalab, lucky rabbit, and more mods)

[brittle lotus]

so many of him

[nocturne bane]

gonna end the run here

[brittle lotus]

oh boy

[lime kindle]

this is weird cause it looks like a talisman incompatibility but i'm testing with talisman with no issues, i tried adding a few to_number() conversion, i'm also slightly tweaking glutton to avoid it ever instawinning the blind by itself.

[lime kindle]

also fixing this

@untold moss try downloading the repo as a zip file (cause i haven't drafted a release yet) and tell me if it fixed the issue on your end

[frank stone]

just use git clone (or git pull if already)

[glad flint]

I love this mod, like seriously

I tried challenger deck (with plasma sleeve) and it was very fun

[glad flint]

Mini vessel
I should update

My version only has leaf

Man ever since the wifi was gone it became all outdated

Using my dad's hotspot rn

[distant grove]

Maybe have an option to disable the spectral card?

Unless it already exists and I'm not aware

[lime kindle]

Sure, i can add it, it's mainly there to allow you to get stake stickers on showdown jokers since forcing you to play a specific deck to do so doesn't sound like a great idea.

[brittle lotus]

coming to Finity eventually (when it’s ready):
-more bugfixes hopefully
-new jokers
-tiny vv is going on a diet (for his own good)

[lime kindle]

the vv partner rework is already on the repo, didn't draft a release yet though

cause i hadn't accounted for it being able to instawin blinds sometimes with the combo effect

[lime kindle]

1.2.5 is up and fixes a lot of stuff that was reported and adds some suggested stuff, next update is likely gonna be 1.3 and add jokers for Aikoyori's new showdowns

[urban thunder]

I may have found a funny with the Magenta Dagger Blind (Bunco) and Violet Vessel (the Joker)

So Magenta Dagger plays the discarded cards and substract your score with whatever chips you end up having

If it was enough to beat the blind it still triggers Violet Vessel and makes it grow stronger

[lime kindle]

that should be fixable by changing vessel's trigger to an end of round effect

[brittle lotus]

violet is very greedy it seems

[frank breach]

Pin the git hub

Btw Cryptposing also has boss decks:

The finity ones were made first

[brittle lotus]

kill them for stealing our idea /j

[frank breach]

Man

i made the art

Thats why I posted it

And, why i suggested normal blinds as jokers

[brittle lotus]

oh ok
still killing you for stealing our idea /j

[frank breach]

Ok

Thats fine by me

[wicked tulip]

Bowtie?

[frank breach]

?

[glad flint]

that unused one

[glad flint]

i think u dont know that this is an (possibly) unused cryptid boss

idk the name

[brittle lotus]

it is a mystery

[wintry mesa]

Okay I have no idea what mod does it, or whether it is actually part of smods now, but stuff has changed that some things can have tabs now, which really helps with seeing stuff (like the edition deck which used to be so cluttered with many mods that add extra editions, and even the deck when you have more than 4 kinds of suit)

I’m bringing this up because I don’t really like how the taunting deck works atm

It currently takes forever to find the right boss I want to mess with for the rest of my run and I think it’d help with visibility if it got changed

[lime kindle]

I see, i have a long backlog right now but i'll see what i can do for that

[covert wigeon]

that is a sick idea

also, the mod in general, from what i've seen of it so far, is really fun!

[lime kindle]

Thank you

I'm really, really close to finishing everything needed for the next update, hopefully it's either today or tomorrow

[wicked tulip]

Just like deltarune

[lime kindle]

Update has been released, hopefully if i did everything right and there are no bugs (unlikely) i'll move onto coding more partners and changing how taunting deck works in the menu

[fair lintel]

Love the sunglasses on Lemon

[fair lintel]

@lime kindle EE should be immune to Stickers

SHE IS A FUCKING GODDESS

[brittle lotus]

endkess entropy is implemented by entropy, not finity

[fair lintel]

Ah

Have moaned about it there. too

[sleek gull]

k, i'm finally gonna code the cruel blinds jokers

[brittle lotus]

Real

[sleek gull]

the fact that i have to add to a table and the mod priority is 1.1 is so annoying

[fair lintel]

What does The Glutton do w/ VV?

[brittle lotus]

doubles its effects, i.e gives the difference between the current and previous blinds instead of half the difference

if i could type properly on steam deck that would be great

[sleek gull]

1/4

[fair lintel]

Can I introduce you to KDE Connect?

[sleek gull]

also ty missingnumber for the art

[brittle lotus]

Can I introduce you to “my computer does not have bluetooth or wifi support”?

[sleek gull]

and note that isn't a typo, EVERY blind is a showdown blind

[fair lintel]

You said you use a Steam Deck

[brittle lotus]

sounds like a party

[brittle lotus]

yeah and i also have a pc and an ipad

[fair lintel]

What does Scrooge+VL do?

[brittle lotus]

she gives you an extra dollar and thats it

[fair lintel]

Well, that's a bit of direction

[brittle lotus]

the partners are currently a bit broken rn though

[fair lintel]

Fuck

[brittle lotus]

tiny amber’s joker freezing works but not anything else

[fair lintel]

I need more picking space

welp

[sleek gull]

2/4

*must have room

[sleek gull]

3/4, definetly going to be abused

[glad flint]

Cruel

Blinds

[glad flint]

This muck

Why is he crying

[brittle lotus]

fungal infection

[wicked tulip]

That’s what the muck is

[distant grove]

That's what the point of the muck is

Sorry

[lime kindle]

I'm working on fixing the partners plus a few other issues

[lime kindle]

Yeah i should probably make it a bit higher

[wicked tulip]

Right there were partners

[lime kindle]

I still have more mod compat stuff to fix but you can download the new update that makes partners work with the latest release of the mod right now.

[sleek gull]

4/4

[brittle lotus]

if you have less than 13 ranks does she just die

[sleek gull]

yup

technically scalable

should i add a +13 hand size

[brittle lotus]

its your card you can yolo it if you want to

[sleek gull]

but would you think it a good idea

[brittle lotus]

it would be really funny

[sleek gull]

good enough for me

:)

[brittle lotus]

that face is saying “For the love of god thin your deck”

[sleek gull]

deck thinning is simply the worst possible idea here

[brittle lotus]

(“for the love of god thin your deck” is a reference to an aikoshen challenge of the same name that starts you with 20 of each card and keeps forceclosing my game on steam deck)

[sleek gull]

the jokerrs are out now

[lime kindle]

Sorry for the wait! New update finally finishes the partner lineup for the original 5 jokers and also changes a few smaller things

[rough goblet]

Hopefully, this will have support with Cardsauce soon. (Just so the game won't crash with both of these mods together when getting a game over on certain blinds or having a Showdown Joker, if that ends up being the case.)

[keen lodge]

the finity war

[lime kindle]

Oh i didn't know about this, i'll try and see if that's something on my end i can fix

[rough goblet]

Heck I might end up making one of the images for you.

[rough goblet]

Here's a quick mockup you could edit. ||Why does he look like a teletubby?||

[wicked tulip]

Wait those exist

[lime kindle]

How is your grame crashing exactly? i tried going through a few runs and all seems to be working correctly.

[oblique badge]

how does this work

how do i attain a card with no suit and rank

[lime kindle]

Uhhhh, that's from Aikoyori's shenanigans, but stone cards work

[oblique badge]

ohhhhh

thanks

i didnt know it wasnt a finity card

blind

[rough goblet]

I'm cofident the game crashes when you get a game over in Endless with one of the Boss Blind Jokers with the mod installed. Probably.

[distant grove]

Finity doesn't add blinds lol

[wicked tulip]

The blinds join your team, that’s the idea

[lime kindle]

i did manage to fix it, you can now download the update for that

As for full showdown compat, maybeeeee, i have to see

[rough goblet]

Here's another concept, based around the Finisher from the Pokermon mod.

[rough goblet]

And you might be asking yourself, why a goose instead of a human? Here's the context why.

[round stag]

Past Paradox Swanna? Pretty sure that's the closest thing to a goose Pokémon there is.

[rough goblet]

It would be so funny if one of the game over text against it would be: "I got your Pokemans... and your cash, not sorry." Or just a goose honk.

[rough goblet]

Fixed the base version of it. I gave it a red and blue border.

[rough goblet]

And like all Pokermon Jokers, it's different when it's given the Shiny Edition.

[lime kindle]

The new update adding ortalab and cardsauce jokers, along with more compat and tweaks is finally out

[lime kindle]

I actually like the idea btw, i have experience with making pokemon art so i could try and make something on the lines of your concept

[rough goblet]

Feel free to also give all the Jokers in your mod Shiny alts like what I did in the example, any color counts. ||The Cardsauce Beta does have Shiny Alts, sometimes altering things on the Joker itself, which is somehow creative.||

[rough goblet]

The goose? Do show whenever you get done.

[lime kindle]

Sure

[rough goblet]

So what do you want to have his shiny colors be? ||Perhaps this is the only known male in mod.||

[lime kindle]

I'll try and see what works out once i have a good enough sprite

[rough goblet]

Show to me whenever you get the chance.

[upper cloud]

looks cool

[fervent lark]

It is cool

[lime kindle]

Smaller update out with a few changes and notably a cross-mod Joker for Pokermon (sorry for the wait, was on vacation)

[lime kindle]

New update: Taupe Treble from Paperback now has a joker, 3 cryptid partners have also been implemented, more stuff to come! I just wanted to quickly roll out an update to address a few bugs ASAP

[brittle lotus]

freh thats the wrong joker for turq's partner

[lime kindle]

Lol

Let's see if i can fix it rn

[lime kindle]

Alright, with the power of phone coding it's fixed on the repo, directly download that for now

[brittle lotus]

the power of Phone

[pseudo mortar]

One thing that frustrate me

If you gonna follow the style of pokermons, why not Ortalab too?

Was it the request from Ortalab creator?

[distant grove]

What exactly is supposed to be followed in Ortalab Virtues?

[pseudo mortar]

Here it is

[distant grove]

So just... Black plates?

[pseudo mortar]

Black plate and colour text

And maybe anime girl as well

[distant grove]

Ah

Well characters are devs OC, right?

Would be kinda weird to come up with new ones specifically for that

[pseudo mortar]

Yes they are

[brittle lotus]

i can do whatever i want

the ortalabs get different hats

[pseudo mortar]

😅

Bunco

[rough goblet]

I totally missed opportunity to make them males with human skin tbh. Oh well, there's always a way to make this possible with that Malverk mod.

[pseudo mortar]

😅

[lime kindle]

If anything i could argue the opposite, they are the closest to vanilla, they even complete the cycle of foreign suits (cups, coins, batons and sword for italian playing cards, acorns, leaves, hearts and bells for german ones)

[pseudo mortar]

I don't know

But they're coming from a mod known for flip the theme

[wintry mesa]

will the taunting deck work more like how the edition deck works someday? It's a bit irritating to click through all of them to find the right one (Image for comparision)

[lime kindle]

Yeah that's the plan, it's just very low on the to-do list atm

[lime kindle]

All the cryptid showdown partners are now added, there is also a special thanks tab to track and credit everyone that helped with the mod or created showdown jokers on their own.

[delicate charm]

not sure if its been done yet, made pure suit V for Aikoyori's Shenanigans

its not great, i know, but i couldnt make the V look thicker without it looking fat

here it is smaller and without the card background

[lime kindle]

A pure v is already in the mod and it was working last i checked

[delicate charm]

oops

[heavy coral]

not sure why it happens exactly but found an incompatibility with astronomica after trying to figure out what was causing a crash

[rough goblet]

What Boss did you select for the deck?

[heavy coral]

nothing

it just crashes on startup

dont know what boss i had selected initially though, lemme check

its set to cerulean bell

[heavy coral]

prob a dumb question but should i also let the devs of that mod know as well

[lime kindle]

Yeah thank you for letting me know, i'll check it out when i can

[lime kindle]

Just checked and it's working fine on my end

i think you might have a broken installation of my mod, line 1030 doesn't call for that variable

[heavy coral]

did some checking with just astronomica, finity, talisman, and cryptid after updating those to the latest commit and its happening on different lines depending on the version of smods
can definitely tell its mainly astronomica causing the crash instead of finity

either that or my balatro is haunted

[fair lintel]

@lime kindle Love this mod!

[silent lion]

finity

[marsh venture]

next update

[brittle lotus]

next update

[lime kindle]

Soon™

[rough goblet]

next update ||and a better look for my goosey contribution if you care about Pokermon||

[rough goblet]

Oh, smods got an update which adds a jimboquips feature, you probably know what that means.

||FISH||

[pseudo mortar]

@rough goblet I'm surprised you didn't add something like this in Chartreuse Chamber page

Also

You all better come up a new effect of the new finisher blind from Ortalab 😛

[wicked tulip]

Taunt deck Rouge is just Diavolo’s death loop in JJBA part 5

[rough goblet]

Is this normal? (Fart sound effect is edited in.)

[lime kindle]

What's the problem here?

[rough goblet]

It copied the type of Zoarak, which most likely can't be energized.

[rough goblet]

I just maybe had bad RNG there.

[lime kindle]

That is not something it accounts for yeah, i'll see if i can check if a joker can be energized

[leaden wyvern]

hey freh can we have pronouns

[brittle lotus]

possibly

[wicked tulip]

So og Showdowns work/own casinos, but some of the others here look to be part of a different job description

Got some light to shed about this?

Like Stamp has a post office vibe with the stamp and counting things deal

Or would that be casino accounting

[brittle lotus]

i mean some of them do probably have other day jobs too like. verdant is a secretary for example

[wicked tulip]

Lilac is definitely some sort of rancher, you don’t keep smth like that on you for nothing

[leaden wyvern]

secretary? I thought they would be more of a gardening showdown

[wicked tulip]

Encouraging you to sell your cards

[rough goblet]

The goose better have he/him. ||He's a male.||

[wicked tulip]

Men/Ace

[rough goblet]

...what? ||He's straight.||

[wicked tulip]

Menace, because goose

[rough goblet]

ok i get it now, he's still a straight, however.

[wicked tulip]

It’s a wonderful day in the casino, and you are a terrible goose

[rough goblet]

I wish modded Jokers could have flavor text so that this could be his own.

[pseudo mortar]

New Celadon Club effect: Played [rank] cards give X2 when scored (Target towards most common rank in full deck)

New Saffron Shield: Played card permanently gains ([full deck]-[amount of played suits in full deck])*2 Chips when scored

New Rogue Rose: Gains X0.5 Mult per enhanced cards in hand

How about it

[lime kindle]

Oh now i see what you mean, i guess i could change them, altough i'll try and find a way to have the original jokers still available. Be it a config or something else

[pseudo mortar]

😅

[lime kindle]

Resuming development now that i have time again, expect some new stuff in the following days 🙂

[wicked tulip]

Absolute cinema

[pseudo mortar]

😄

[brittle lotus]

Real

[fervent lark]

yay

[rough goblet]

insert fire reaction here Good luck.

[fair lintel]

So, V can only be used for flushes, pairs, X of a kind, flush 5, and high card?

[brittle lotus]

pretty much

[lime kindle]

New update finally adds all remaining aikoshen partners
https://github.com/frangnosquest/Finity/releases/tag/1.4.6

Onto the Ortalab reworks now

[leaden wyvern]

beautiful

[rough goblet]

And maybe after that, Bunco. (Hopefully.)

[lime kindle]

Does bunco even launch in newer versions?

[leaden wyvern]

A fork of it does iirc

[lime kindle]

Hello https://github.com/frangnosquest/Finity/releases/tag/1.4.7

[leaden wyvern]

holy shit finity update

huge

[pseudo mortar]

What else is changed?

[rough goblet]

Shiny versions for the Cryptid ones, if you actually care about that.

[pseudo mortar]

😅

[stuck cloak]

Another mod I have to try

[exotic citrus]

pokermon is reflavoring chartreuse chamber. is the corresponding joker here going to be reflavored as well?

[brittle lotus]

who knows

[stuck cloak]

From the looks of this, this mod can be use with cruel blinds? And other things like Ortalab right

[distant grove]

There's a crossmod list on the mod's github page

[stuck cloak]

🫡 thanks let me check those out

[rough goblet]

Some peeps don't want to let him go... I'll try my best to keep HIM alive.

[stuck cloak]

We got Pokémon mods but where the Digimon mod?

[rough goblet]

Maybe someday some person will do it. AND I WILL DO A FUCKING RUN WITH THESE TWO MODS TOGETHER.

[stuck cloak]

That be a childhood crossover

[pseudo mortar]

Such pointless persistency

[worthy prairie]

@lime kindle hey so jpenguin has a new sprite if you wanted to update the contributors screen

[rough goblet]

Go ahead and do that if you want Freh

[lime kindle]

Sure, i'll do that tomorrow

[sturdy jackal]

clunk

[brittle lotus]

lolwut

[sturdy jackal]

idk.

[rough goblet]

Bagel!

[sturdy jackal]

SMW Cartoon Luigi wheeze

[lofty totem]

I might have an idea, but it might be too complicated
What if there was another challenge similar to The Ticket voucher from MoreFluff, where Ante 8 is buffed, the small and big blinds get replaced with weaker versions/variations of the showdown blind, no blind skipping, and the reward at the end is either an editioned version of that Finity Joker or its free, rather than costing 10? I made some mock ups of sprites for what Amber Acorn's could look like

[wicked tulip]

The Branch

[lofty totem]

Orange Branch - Played cards are shuffled before Scoring
Golden Motion - Jokers are Shuffled on Blind Selection, Rearranging them Shuffles them again (Mild Inconvenience)

[wicked tulip]

Branch - Motion - Acorn

Seems like the idea you’re going for

[lofty totem]

Yeah!

[wicked tulip]

Fern Weed
Adds a Weed card to your hand each hand.
-# Weed cards can’t be discarded, only played and they don’t score

Pine Harvest
Debuff random card for each Weed card held in hand
-# They carry over, but are removed after this blind

[lofty totem]

These are fun to do, Red Cells and Scarlet Veins

[sturdy jackal]

Wait are we getting new boss blinds exclusive to the mod?

[wicked tulip]

Crossmod idea

[sturdy jackal]

damn

[rough goblet]

All the Pokermon Blinds that are not Chartreuse could be there with them first then "TMTRAINER" before dueling Chartreuse Chamber. TMTRAINER's effect would be "After each hand scores, change the type of all Jokers." just so the debuffing can hit more.

[sturdy jackal]

uhh... about the chamber...

It got renovated by some hacker by the name of Penny.

[rough goblet]

But it doesn't mean he's gone for good. He can be readded by this very mod.

You can still find Chatreuse via other methods.

[sturdy jackal]

true

[lofty totem]

I wouldnt say this is a crossmod idea, just something Ive been thinking about for a while and thought Finity would be the best thing to suggest it to

[lime kindle]

Might consider it, granted, i'm rewriting Finity and my other mod Warp Zone now that i have a better understanding of code so it might take a while before you see some new original content from me.

[rough goblet]

I pray Chartreuse stays.

[wicked tulip]

Whoops thought you meant the Morefluff ante 8 voucher doing this to the Blinds

Mb

[sacred oasis]

this is a really cool idea actually

[rough goblet]

You are so not ready to break the game with my creations.

[mighty kite]

samson blind

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