Here im going to yap about theoretical ideas for 'balanced' jokers, in order of top left to bottom right.
#Foole's court (Vanilla style jokers mod concept)
fluid coyote
lilac wigeon
how many jokers do you plan on making?
lilac wigeon
wow
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Traveler
Common
+1 consumable slot
(Left at 2/3 if sold.)
Old maid
Uncommon
If discarded hand contains a pair, 1/4 chance of creating a tarot card.
Metal joker
Uncommon
Scoring Gold and steel cards are retriggered twice.
(A.K.A not held in hand.)
Birthday joker
Common
earn 1$ when a hand is leveled up.
Alloy joker
Rare
Gold cards held in hand give 1.25x mult.
Steel cards held in hand at the end of a round give 1$.
Peapod
Uncommon
The first played hand of a round is leveled up, expires after 5 uses.
Fisherman
Uncommon
Discarding and playing hands makes you draw 3 additional cards.
-3 hand size.
Joker file
Uncommon
Skipping a blind creates an additional random tag.
Strongman
(friend's idea)
Uncommon
If played hand is a single card, increase the rank of the card.
Ms. bones
Common
Creates a death tarot card when a bossblind is selected.
Whale
Uncommon
This joker gains +20 mult if 15$ has been spent before the next blind is selected.
-15 mult if not.
Blood donor
(idea by my friend)
Rare
Levels up played hand by 2 levels.
Delevels two other random hands
(Must have leveled up hands for this joker to activate.)
Wardrobe
Rare
Tarot cards that enhance cards may be used on an additional card.
Starving joker
Uncommon
Selling a card gives this joker +20 chips.
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Collectible joker
Rare
Lucky cards have an additional 1/8 chance to give 12$.
Glass cards instead have a 1/8 chance of breaking.
Swedish joker
Rare
If the first played hand of a round is your least played hand, level up your most played hand.
Seal of approval
Uncommon
Blue stamped cards now instead generate planet card of your last played hand when discarded.
Purple stamped cards now instead generate a tarot card when held at the end of a round.
Foam finger
Rare
Scoring wild cards retrigger the first scoring card twice.
(First scoring card is ignored.)
Knockoff
Common
0-100 chips.
Knight
Uncommon
Scoring knights and queens give this joker +2 mult.
Rockstar joker
Uncommon
Scoring wild cards have a 1/3 chance of generating a tarot card.
Lucky sphynx
Uncommon
Activated lucky cards are retrigered.
(After 25 retriggers there is a hidden 1/4 chance for this joker to fail.)
Controlled chaos
Uncommon
Scoring wild cards give this joker 0.1x mult.
When piggybanks fly
(idea by friend)
Uncommon
This joker's sell value doubles every round.
1/4 chance of being destroyed every round.
Wild joker
Rare
Scoring wild cards have a 1/2 chance of becoming foil, polychrome or holographic.
Killscreen
Common
For every 50% over the required score, earn 1$.
(Capped at 15$)
Mistletoe
Uncommon
Each played hand adds 2$ to the bossblind cashout.
Resets upon defeating boss blind.
Shamrock
Rare
All listed probabilities will always be a 1/3 chance.
(E.G 1/6 → 1/3)
Glasses
Uncommon
This joker gains +0.25x mult for each consecutive played hand containing a pair.
Atlantis
Uncommon
This joker gains +1 mult for each discarded [Rank]
(Rank changes every round.)
Sundae
Common
Unlock condition: Icecream expires
This joker gains +25 chips for each played hand.
This joker gains -30 chips at the end of a round.
Jellybeans
Unlock condition: Turtle bean expires.
(This one is iffy)
Uncommon
+1 hand size for each hand.
Instant noodles
Unlock condition: Noodles expires.
Uncommon
+0.05x mult for each discarded card.
-0.025x mult for each scoring card.
Moldy joker
Uncommon
Discarding a card or hand counts as scoring a card or playing a hand.
Playing a hand or scoring a card counts as discarding a card or hand.
Joyful joker
(friend's idea)
Uncommon
3x mult
-1 hand each round.
thats all of em
Foole's court (Vanilla style jokers mod concept)
round dagger
Great!
fluid coyote
Voucher1: Interphase
All small packs in the shop are replaced by jumbo packs and all jumbo packs in the shop are replaced by megapacks.
Voucher2: Cytokinesis
May choose an extra card in packs.
runic sigil
Birthday Joker - Bit confused on how this works, does it give money when a planet card is used, or does it give money when a leveled up hand scores, or does it earn money at the end of the round for each hand leveled up?
I assume its the second one but its a bit unclear
if it is the second one, it should probably be worded something like "Earn $1 if played hand is level 2 or higher"
Peapod seems strong, Alloy Joker feels very weak and niche for a rare.
Joker file sounds like a lot of fun, its gambling time!
Ms Bones feels insanely powerful, Death is easily one of the best tarots, especially to have in your consumable slots
runic sigil
Collectible Joker could probably just be worded like (and this would change its effect significantly but its much cleaner)
"Doubles Lucky Card probabilities, Halves Glass Card probabilities"
Swedish Joker feels very underpowered, see pre-buff To Do List
Seal of Approval does not need the purple seal debuff, nor does it need to say "instead" anywhere, I think even just having blue seals able to be discarded is weak for a joker slot
like sometimes it'll go crazy but almost always it does very little
for Knight I assume you meant either Kings or Jacks. I'm not sure Kings or Queens need this sort of buff, it may be more interesting to have it be Jacks
Mistletoe is super fun sounding, a lot of risk and reward
Glasses is absolutely busted if you build around it even a little bit, but I do like the idea of having more Ride the Bus type jokers
Atlantis is cool, is it like Castle or Idol?
fluid coyote
Birthday Joker - Bit confused on how this works, does it give money when a plane...
it works whenever a hand is leveled up in general
so via astronaut, planet cards or whatever other possible means
or even black hole
like if a hand goes from level [number] to [number+1] you get 1$
fluid coyote
Atlantis is cool, is it like Castle or Idol?
like castle
runic sigil
then it should be worded "Earn $1 WHEN a hand is leveled up"
fluid coyote
im fairly confident of the existing balance of everything due to have thought it through for two months, however only playtesting would reveal how good everything is
runic sigil
then it should be worded "Earn $1 WHEN a hand is leveled up"
sorry if I'm being a bit pedantic, I've just been in the Dominion fan content sphere a lot and they care about wording there, wording in card games is very important
fluid coyote
for Knight I assume you meant either Kings or Jacks. I'm not sure Kings or Queen...
problem with jacks is that other than the knight what other major use do jacks have over kings and queens
runic sigil
problem with jacks is that other than the knight what other major use do jacks h...
yeah exactly, jokers should encourage different play styles
fluid coyote
well thats what most of the jokers aim to achieve, however coming up with unique jacks was kinda sucky ngl
knight could be jacks but if thats too tedious its back to kings and queens
would still make sense thematically since a jack is a soldier
runic sigil
you could use jacks to level knight up, and then pivot to queens or kings through strength tarots
fluid coyote
hm
runic sigil
jack in the base game is underutilized and could see more jokers
fluid coyote
i dont have a coder so all this is theory, but in general i believe like 3 extra jack jokers would have to exist for that to work
runic sigil
plus its still a face card and gets bonuses from face card builds
fluid coyote
plus ive been taught that a better design philosophy is asking what you want players to do rather than a theme then an effect
runic sigil
like Business Card and Photograph
fluid coyote
so a jack joker might take a while to tinker
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Swedish Joker feels very underpowered, see pre-buff To Do List
swedish joker is intended to be an inverse burnt joker in relation to how it progresses
if you have a very much played hand and just waste your hand on a slop hand you'll level up your MOST PLAYED hand
however deck fixing might make that more tedious
keep playing hands and you'll have to eventually pivot, lest you waste a level up
it requires a degree of attention
runic sigil
the main problem is hands like straight flush or four of a kind
likely you can only use swedish joker maybe 3-4 times before having to ditch it, but maybe thats alright
runic sigil
yeah, maybe its fine as is, just know it'll be tougher to use than you might first think
$5 payout for To Do List was a lot of payout, but it was weak
fluid coyote
Glasses is absolutely busted if you build around it even a little bit, but I do ...
originally the idea was four of a kind as a joke on four eyes but we later realized that if you can consistently play a four of a kind you prob dont need the joker
fluid coyote
Collectible Joker could probably just be worded like (and this would change its ...
adding additional gambling to lucky cards and making glass cards reliable opens up much more possibilities imo
also gambling is fucking FUN!!!!
fluid coyote
Seal of Approval does not need the purple seal debuff, nor does it need to say "...
this is a playtesting situation i think.
originally i wanted to do one for gold and red stamps but realized that they are too straightforward to flip around in any capacity
i had an idea that gaining money would give the joker retriggers on gold stamped cards but that might get too busted
like if you have 200€ a gold stamp card retriggers like 10 times
and requires too much setup
runic sigil
originally the idea was four of a kind as a joke on four eyes but we later reali...
0.25x just scales soooo fast, even if it resets every once in a while thats nuts
fluid coyote
0.2x 🤷
runic sigil
I'd go with 0.1 honestly, it adds more risk and reward because you really NEED to keep playing pairs cause you built it up too long
otherwise with 0.25 or 0.2 you just get it back online in a few hands
runic sigil
yeah
so do flushes and full house
and flush house
and two pair and three of a kind
fluid coyote
high card allergy
runic sigil
yeah exactly, its scary it could go away but if you try its not that hard to keep it alive
fluid coyote
anyway im just praying some poor soul coder finds an interest in these joker ideas ngl
fluid coyote
yeah exactly, its scary it could go away but if you try its not that hard to kee...
might be easy to mess up if you use hands as discards
runic sigil
whats important to realize is 2.0x to 3.0x is a bigger step up than 3.0x to 4.0x, which is a bigger step up than 4.0x to 5.0x. So having it give 0.25x is crazy because it gets back to 2.0 in four hands
you actually dont need to think about the joker at all at 0.25
0.1 though it becomes more like a game of jenga
fluid coyote
also originally shamrock and mistletoe and glasses were meant to generate tarot cards for making lucky, wild and glass cards
but soon we realized thats too niche
so it was changed to what it is now
personally i like shamrock's gimmick the most
runic sigil
I'm curious, how much balancing and play testing have you done before? doesn't need to be balatro related
fluid coyote
none of these jokers have been added ingame so its all theory
i havent done much playtesting outside of balatro besides beta versions of dst updates
runic sigil
well, take my suggestions with a grain of salt, but I've actually done quite a bit of balancing and play testing, for a variety games (all custom content though, nothing official). Just wanted to provide some feedback on where I could see things being potentially under or over tuned
fluid coyote
mm
well if it ever gets fully coded ig ill call you
also originally this mod concept had a legendary
however it was cast to hell due to being way too busted
since the mod is named after it maybe it could just be jimbo's aunt or smth who introduces you to the mod
fluid coyote
also originally this mod concept had a legendary
the effect wouldve been granting played cards the ability of every unique card in your hand
so a king can be a lucky 6, a steel jack, a red stamped queen ect at the same time
fluid coyote
Ms Bones feels insanely powerful, Death is easily one of the best tarots, especi...
what if it guaranteed a death card in tarot packs?
runic sigil
what if it guaranteed a death card in tarot packs?
hmm
probably a feel-bad mechanic and maybe underpowered, BUT i appreciate that you thought about my feedback and responded with a unique concept
stray hornet
how many jokers do you plan on making?
You think there a way to revive or actually create this mod?
fluid coyote
You think there a way to revive or actually create this mod?
if i had a coder i guess
the art is there
fluid coyote
since getting a free coder is hard ive given up most hype
stray hornet
if i had a coder i guess
You could try offering your art to a coder, and then codding in return. I am the very early stages of codding so not yet capable of doing much
fluid coyote
You could try offering your art to a coder, and then codding in return. I am the...
perhaps