Aether Jokers

[gaunt oracle]

A mod that adds new jokers, enhancements, and more with unique mechanics that try to stay within the balance of vanilla Balatro (to a certain extent).

Jokers and Enhancements currently have placeholder art, but they do have (mostly) finished sounds and effects. If anybody wants to help with art, just DM me.

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[slim orbit]

this might be peak

[gaunt oracle]

I've still got a lot of stuff to balance and set up

But the major concepts are there

[gaunt oracle]

It no longer crashes on startup

[river hinge]

Absolute peak

flushify is my favourite by far

[gaunt oracle]

I'm pretty happy with it

Fixed a crash with Backseat

[nocturne wasp]

ill try this later and keep an eye on it

looks fun

i have way to many mods to try

[gaunt oracle]

New joker idea:

• Crowdfunding

Earn $1 for every King Queen Jack sequence in your full deck at end of round

[river hinge]

you mean set of K,Q, and J?

[gaunt oracle]

Yeah

[river hinge]

interesting

[gaunt oracle]

Like Cloud Nine for face cards

[river hinge]

makes sense

[gaunt oracle]

Another joker idea:

• Counterfeit Joker

Sell this joker to duplicate all selected playing cards and turn them into Counterfeit Cards

• Counterfeit Cards

Gets destroyed after being scored 3 times

[river hinge]

how would this affect the hologram joker?

[gaunt oracle]

Not sure, I could make it affect Hologram, but I could also make it not, since one of my jokers adds temporary cards to your hand and doesn't upgrade Hologram

[river hinge]

yeah i think it shouldnt since theyre temporary, then again in the game, when you destroy a card, hologram doesnt scale down

[gaunt oracle]

I think that if a card inherently destroys itself, it shouldn't increment Hologram

[river hinge]

agreed

cool idea

its a better death

[gaunt oracle]

Though it's not good for long term

[river hinge]

except you dont get rid of the shittier card

[river hinge]

realistically i see people using this to get past bigger antes with boss blinds only

so its good for the use

kind of like luchador, theyre supposed to be contextual uses

would the counterfeit cards be able to take other enhancements?

[gaunt oracle]

Do you think they should? I'd say no, I'll probably make them function similarly to the Sleeved cards, where they destroy themselves if you try to use a consumeable on them

Though I might add a check to see if the card changes the enhancement specifically

[river hinge]

i think they should since otherwise i dont see a use case for ever duplicating cards and keeping a joker slot occupied

well, i see some use cases

but keeping a joker slot for something else would probably be better

[gaunt oracle]

It would also encourage you to only use the Counterfeit Joker if you already have some enhancement consumeables on hand

[river hinge]

oh and another question i had was, would the user be able to tell how many uses of the cards they have left? since it can get confusing if they have multiple cards of the same suit/rank

[gaunt oracle]

I could even like, make the card say "Laundered!" on it if you use an enhancement on a Counterfeit Card

[gaunt oracle]

Yeah it'd have a tracker on it

[river hinge]

that would be perfect

[river hinge]

id say allowing it to take on enhancements/being able to duplicate enhancements from original cards gives the player the option to use it for both enhancements/base cards and increases viability of the joker

[gaunt oracle]

It's a good joker with a bit of setup to make sure you don't waste it

[river hinge]

fair enough, what rarity are you thinking

[gaunt oracle]

Probably Uncommon, since it's a single use joker

[river hinge]

yup

maybe like ~6 cost

[gaunt oracle]

Common would be too abundant and Rare would make it seem too little impact for it's rarity

[river hinge]

also would the upper limit on duplication be only 5 cards since you cant select more than 5

[gaunt oracle]

I might add a check to make sure it's only 5 for compatibility with mods that allow you to select more than 5 cards, or who knows, maybe that could be a synergy, like I have with the Handy Joker and hand count increase jokers / vouchers

Upgrading you selection limit means more duplicated cards if I allow it

[river hinge]

oh cool, i didnt know those existed

cool idea

[gaunt oracle]

Also I still have on idea how to price my jokers, most of them are $1-$2 right now so they're easy to obtain and test, what would you suggest for each of my jokers?

[river hinge]

Drug test - 4/5 (extremely good econ joker especially at the start of the game, although the "3" constraint gives it balance)
Backseat Joker - (love the idea of this joker, although it should probably be uncommon) 5
Palette Joker - maybe 3 maybe 4, i dont fully understand this joker
Hail Mary - 5, should probably be uncommon as well
Eleventh Hour - same as hail mary

[gaunt oracle]

For Palette if you play a Spade, a Heart, a Club, and then a Diamond, it increments by X0.1 mult, and it retains it's place in the sequence between hands and rounds

Also for Hail Mary and Eleventh Hour they're good jokers, but they don't contribute to your score or econ, so they take up valuable space just to tilt the drawing luck in your favor, which I think justifies them being Common

[river hinge]

handy joker - unless im misunderstanding this joker, this should definitely be a Rare. $6
divisible joker - this one is a toughie, maybe 4
stop card - why would someone buy this
tennis joker - maybe common, i dont see someone buying this joker unless its like mid game and theyre going for high card build which almost always resorts to baron/mime. maybe 3
Sleeved joker - no notes, 4
overkill joker - really like this one, 4

[river hinge]

fair, i didnt think about that

[gaunt oracle]

Stop Card can stop food jokers from decaying at the end of each round [=

And they can also stop streak jokers from losing their streak [=

[river hinge]

...

i feel stupid

this is really cool

5

[gaunt oracle]

Wanna play some face cards but your bus is at really high mult? Just debuff it

[river hinge]

amazing use case actually

[gaunt oracle]

It's one of those jokers you don't realize is powerful until you realize it's insane synergies

[river hinge]

yeah that actually probably makes obelisk viable to some degree

[gaunt oracle]

And for Handy Joker it just adds your remaining hands to your hand size, so if you have 8 hand size and 4 hands, it gives you 12 hand size, but it decreases by 1 after each hand

[river hinge]

yeah okay thats what i thought

def should be rare then

[gaunt oracle]

Alrighty

[gaunt oracle]

Tennis Joker is the best at early game because it takes so long to scale with the worst poker hand

It's more of a funny joker than like, an end-game viable one

Especially since it has Wii Sports sounds

[river hinge]

joker of holding - 8 and should have negative sell value
flushify joker - said this before, fav joker, 8
flesh joker - dont understand it

[river hinge]

okay this is really cool haha

[river hinge]

best early game for high card? i dont see it, easily lose to bosses unless you have other jokers that get you past

[gaunt oracle]

This is the actual description of the Flesh Joker, which only shows up when you have it in your deck

When it spreads to playing cards, it turns them into Flesh Cards, if it spreads to a joker, it turns them into another Flesh Joker

And if you infect a Stone Card it becomes a Flesh Mass

Which gives all other played cards +1-3 ranks

[river hinge]

oof

[gaunt oracle]

It's meant to be slightly vague until you play around with it

[river hinge]

this one is a complex joker, its definitely really cool but i see players skipping it just because of the intimidating description

but

with the use case

also 8, maybe even 9/10

[gaunt oracle]

With 5 flesh jokers and a full flesh deck you can easily get into ante 12+

[river hinge]

yup, its strong

[gaunt oracle]

It's like, 5 X7.5 mult

[river hinge]

could see a case for it being legendary

[gaunt oracle]

But you also need to completely commit to it to get there, so I think it'd be funny if it was $1, and the only description is "SPREAD"

[river hinge]

enter if you dare type joker

[gaunt oracle]

Exactly

[river hinge]

pretty cool, id love to test out the mod later once ive an acceptable first version of mine lol

these look very cool

[gaunt oracle]

Also for Joker of Holding, maybe -1 sell value for every 5 cards stored, so if you have 30 cards it'd be -6 dollars to sell it?

[river hinge]

oof, if you have 30 cards i think it should scale to a lot more than just losing $6 for it

1 for every 3, rounded up should be more balanced

cause technically you could not even sell it

just use the joker to deck fix

in early antes get rid of shitty cards

then just be cautious to not play 5 cards as first hand in later antes

then when the held cards become really strong

sell and profit

[gaunt oracle]

Also I could make the Flesh Joker have it's own rarity that's slightly higher than rare, and it'd be the only joker in that rarity, to make it even more ominous

[river hinge]

do rarities work like that? i asked someone and they said as long as youre within the bounds of rarity class, the weight you set doesnt matter

[gaunt oracle]

I don't know, but if I can make that work, I'd be happy

[river hinge]

let me know if you do, i wanted to implement something like that but couldnt do it

so i settled for keeping it at just uncommon

[gaunt oracle]

New Flesh Card change, their mult is now equal to their chips

[river hinge]

so instead of +8 mult its +howmanyeverychipsthecarditselfhas? like 4 for 4, 11 for ace

[gaunt oracle]

Yep

[river hinge]

nice

[gaunt oracle]

And the Flesh Mass card gives X0.5 mult per scored card

[gaunt oracle]

Idea for a new consumeable type : Boons, which are inverted boss blind effects that last for the full round

[gaunt oracle]

New update: Fixed some bugs, standardized some code, and updated joker prices

[gaunt oracle]

Fun idea for a joker directly based off of a property :

• Inverted Joker

Inverts discards on last discard
Inverted discards pull from discard pile rather than deck
Inverted discards add to discards rather than remove

[river hinge]

oooo

thats cool

[gaunt oracle]

I'm even gonna make the name and description invert too [=

[gaunt oracle]

I wanna show this off in call, I managed to make this so fucking cool

[river hinge]

wdym

[gaunt oracle]

The inverted joker thing

It even reverses the music

[river hinge]

holy shit thats awesome 😭

[gaunt oracle]

Major update

Counterfeit Joker and Turnstile are now implemented, there's actual proper placeholder art instead of every joker looking the same, and I didn't leave in a dev joker spawn this time

[gaunt oracle]

From now on, the flesh joker and the flesh cards will be completely hidden from the player until they find it [=

[gaunt oracle]

I'm adding a custom music track

[river hinge]

for the whole game?

[gaunt oracle]

Yep

Blinds, shop, boosters, all of it, including inverted versions for Turnstile, but instead of just inverting the whole track it inverts elements within the track so the drums are still forwards and the actual chord progression is still forwards

[gaunt oracle]

Here's an extended play session to show off the new music
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CAtMMppMcG1ym18Ff0xahiG_Mfbzg8XD/view?usp=sharing

Still being processed apparently

Also it'll probably show you how bad I am at Balatro

[river hinge]

this mod might be peak

this is insane

good job

only thing that irks me is the quotation marks around the flush variant of the poker hand

but thats super minor

[gaunt oracle]

That's meant to be there to poke fun at the fact that it's not actually those hands

[river hinge]

i mean if youre actually getting those hands, theyre essentially those hands right (because all the cards are now wild)

[gaunt oracle]

Why does it irk you specifically?

[river hinge]

just looks different from other hands, so minor consistency issue

(i have self diagnosed ocd)

[gaunt oracle]

I mean, it is different from other hands

You're forcing the game to consider it a flush

[river hinge]

if your joker just made those cards wild first technically its the flush variant for the game already so the hand is just "updated" to reflect the cards

anyway, its splitting hairs on the implementation

its your mod

[gaunt oracle]

The wild cards are applied after hand is played rather than before, so

[river hinge]

yeah i understand, but it wouldnt make a difference for scoring as the poker hand is calculated before

regardless, its just a personal quirk, not a criticism of the mod itself

[gaunt oracle]

I would remove the wild card conversion if it wasn't used as a balancing method for the joker, which would make the quoted poker hand make more sense

[river hinge]

hows it balancing it? because it gets hit by more boss blinds?

[gaunt oracle]

Yeah, it's debuffed more often

[river hinge]

makes sense

[gaunt oracle]

Which can straight up kill your run if you don't prepare for it

[river hinge]

yup

[gaunt oracle]

Especially in the late game where 90%+ of your cards are wild

[river hinge]

hopefully you have directors cut

otherwise kiss your run goodbye

[gaunt oracle]

Also now the flushify sound won't be jarring because now the music itself is in the same key [=

[river hinge]

love the new music btw

you make it yourself?

[gaunt oracle]

Same with the Aether Deck joker spawning sounds

[gaunt oracle]

I did, it would be really hard to get a pre-existing song to work with all these different variations

[river hinge]

really cool

[gaunt oracle]

So uh, if there's anything wrong with it, let me know and I'll fix it

[river hinge]

i still have some amount of work i need to do on mine before i can start testing but from the video i watched, it feels super cohesive

[gaunt oracle]

I tried to go with a similar sound to Balatro's music with my own genre and style, at least in terms of like, the chord pattern

[gaunt oracle]

It also means you don't have other enhancements and it's an anti-synergy with Drug Test because that only works on enhanced cards

[river hinge]

yup i noticed that

[gaunt oracle]

And I added tracks for all 4 booster pack variants

[river hinge]

fair enough, but also works well with drivers license which doesnt care about the type of enhancement but just the fact you have them

[gaunt oracle]

This is what the card looks like when you don't have it in your jokers [=

This is what it sounds like when you use Turnstile

[gaunt oracle]

On the next update the Turnstile will work when you have zero discards, it keeps the discard button useable

[iron axle]

hold on so

stop card

debuffs the joker to the left, or debuffs your first drawn hand if it is the leftmost

can't you just...

put it on the rightmost, select the blind, and then

move it to the leftmost position

and then it doesn't do anything

why is this even a joker to begin with

this is only negatives

i'm very confused by the existance of this joker

and i have no prior context so

[river hinge]

^ @iron axle

read from there

[iron axle]

it's one of those jokers that.... doesn't do anything without other jokers

[river hinge]

bunch of jokers like that in the game already lol

[river hinge]

assuming it debuffs whatever joker for that blind

[verbal shoal]

useless jokers existing shouldnt be a justification for more 😭

[iron axle]

dilly understands what my point was actually going to be

[river hinge]

i would definitely not call paredolia useless 💀

[iron axle]

and not "vanilla doesn't do this"

paredolia is terrible if you don't get the synergies though

[river hinge]

yeah thats

the point

[iron axle]

and there are few synergies

i don't think this is good game design chief

i will give stop card some credit because it can make campfire actually useful
but... it's not even close to paredolia in design and its conditions for a good synergy are far more niche

the joker has to reset or die or go back at some point, stop card can stop that from happening

paredolia turns anything that mentions Face Cards into crack cocaine

[river hinge]

i mean i assume the entire reason for the joker's existence are those niche use cases, youd definitely not pick it up otherwise

[iron axle]

well yeah, and then it's dead weight 99% of the time

and it feels absolutely awful when it shows up

especially on an uncommon/rare joker because it can come from the uncommon/rare tag

imagine your free joker being paredolia in an ace flush five build (or any build that doesn't deal with face cards)

i think i'd be cooler with it if stop card was a common joker

because that makes it more common so its synergy is more likely to show up

and its hyper specific use case is offset by its rarity

[river hinge]

i suppose, if the mod creator has an idea for a joker thats situational its probably something they wished was in the game (hence they created it) so i dont judge too much on use case, i assume they already know its super niche

[iron axle]

yeah if they wanna do it that way they can do it that way

my 2 cents is that it should be common

and it shouldn't debuff the first hand if it's the leftmost (what is even the point of that)

[gaunt oracle]

It keeps you on your toes, and it encourages you to find a use for it so it doesn't just sit in your jokers until you eventually find something that works with it

[iron axle]

it keeps you on your toes

jimbo toes

[gaunt oracle]

And if it feels awful when it shows up... why would you want to see more of it? That's what making it common would do

[gaunt oracle]

Also it's not useless by definition, it's niche, you'll be skipping over 90% of jokers that don't fit your build anyways, and this adds new layers to builds that typically have really large restrictions, it gives you some breathing room and can create entirely new builds

That and it engages with an already existing mechanic in an entirely new way, that's something I wanna do with this mod, recontextualize and utilize mechanics in unique ways

[gaunt oracle]

It's also just kinda funny

[gaunt oracle]

Balance question: Should turnstile still trigger discard related jokers when you inverted discard?

[iron axle]

it feels awful when it shows up as a higher rarity card

if you see a bad common it's like eh whatever it was a common they tend to be bad

if you see a bad rare it's like fuck man I wish that was something else

legendaries have this to the extreme

you get a canio on soul you are NOT happy

if you are happy about that i will personally execute you because canio is worse than chicot

and I will fight you on it

[gaunt oracle]

Sooo don't make any joker higher than Common if it's not generally applicable to the majority of builds?

[iron axle]

no

[gaunt oracle]

If you have a build that doesn't require face cards and you have Trading Card or are looking for Hanged Man then it's not a bad joker

[iron axle]

but in this case specifically in which the joker actively harms you for not having its synergy

it should definitely be a common

[gaunt oracle]

If I remove the first hand debuff would it be better?

[iron axle]

that change on its own might actually make it worse? depends on the player's patience

it makes it easier to hold the joker until you do get a synergy, but when do you give up as the player

[gaunt oracle]

Considering how powerful this card is I'm not gonna make it a Common

[iron axle]

what do you mean this card is so powerful

[gaunt oracle]

You can stop decaying cards from destroying / downgrading themselves and you can stop streak-reliant jokers from resetting

[iron axle]

okay so that's
campfire (actually good synergy)
obelisk (not what obelisk should be used for)
food jokers... why? the only one that would be worth keeping longterm for this would be seltzer but that goes down at the end of a hand so you can't stop it with stop card
ride the bus (bad in lategame anyway)
what else resets i'm drawing a blank

oh loyalty card

that one is actually pretty good

[gaunt oracle]

not what obelisk should be used for
But you can still use it for that, it's meant to disrupt the flow of jokers to your benefit, technically none of the cards you can debuff and benefit from would be used in the way they're intended to be used, that's the point

[iron axle]

you can hold the effect... but it's not really worth doing for a 2 card joker combo

[iron axle]

obelisk is meant for pivoting and even if it didn't reset when you played the wrong hand it wouldn't be something to rely on for your whole run due to how slow it scales

[gaunt oracle]

And for food jokers, Turtle Bean is a really good pick

[iron axle]

that is a very forgettable one but yeah good pick

scaling obelisk like this would involve

playing hand 1 two times
playing hand 2 one time (gets xmult)
and then alternating hand 1 and 2 and getting xmult every other hand?

yes i know other hands exist but they won't be as good because that's how this game is built

that's why black hole sucks so bad

[river hinge]

btw when theyre debuffed, you cant use it, so if bean is debuffed, it wouldnt give +whatever hand size

[iron axle]

that doesn't matter

bean only needs to be debuffed at end of round

[river hinge]

youre just using it for rounds that matter more

[iron axle]

cause that is when its hand size goes down

[river hinge]

eh that seems like cheating

[iron axle]

yeah, it pretty much is for food jokers

[river hinge]

whatever card the joker debuffs, should be debuffed for the whole blind

[iron axle]

if that is the case then it is even worse than useless

[gaunt oracle]

That would go against the whole point of the joker

[river hinge]

otherwise you can debuff any joker at the start of the blind, then just move the joker to the leftmost position...

so whats the point of the balance

[iron axle]

that's what I said

[gaunt oracle]

Yeah, that's how it's supposed to work

[river hinge]

so no point in the first hand being debuffed even

[gaunt oracle]

It makes sure you don't forget about it

[river hinge]

lol

its just a gotcha then

[iron axle]

i'm not even gonna pick it up then

[gaunt oracle]

It's funny, but avoidable

[gaunt oracle]

Then just don't

[river hinge]

imo thats not what balancing is supposed to do

[iron axle]

and then i'm gonna

get an uncommon tag

and it's gonna show up

[river hinge]

but not my mod

[iron axle]

and i'm gonna be sad

cause I wanted something good

[river hinge]

baseball!

[iron axle]

baseball card is a rare

[river hinge]

oh right

it just buffs uncommon

whoops

[iron axle]

yeah

stop card will end up like the vampire midas paredolia synergy eventually and that truth is not very fun

vampire got nerfed twice and i'm convinced it was for that synergy

midas also got nerfed after that

[river hinge]

maybe im just new to the game lol cause i didnt know they got nerfs

[iron axle]

yeah there hasnt been a balance change update in a while

i assume because thunk is working on 2025 gameplay update

[gaunt oracle]

Here's some jokers that aren't streak or food jokers that would benefit from Stop Card

• Vampire, Midas Mask, or Flushify Joker : wanting to keep your enhancements
• Joker of Holding : not wanting to consume your first hand
• Burglar : needing discards on a blind
• Chicot : some blinds can benefit you, like Serpent
• Smeared Joker : you get to a blind that debuffs a suit
• Oops! All 6s : you don't want a higher chance of a glass card breaking

It's not useless

[river hinge]

you make a good case

[iron axle]

alright, quick fire

[gaunt oracle]

And the fact that tags can give you some "bad" jokers is just part of the game

[iron axle]

first one and last one

that's your fault.

in a midas/vampire run, you shouldn't be keeping enhancements

in an oops all 6s run, you shouldn't be trying to keep glass cards

glass cards become better because of their destruction, on top of their high scoring they fuck off from your deck forever

[gaunt oracle]

Stop Card lets you supersede that in return for a joker slot used up by a niche joker, that balances it

[iron axle]

but it's just not worth doing

[gaunt oracle]

If you don't want it, don't take it, if you get it instead of another joker from a tag, there's a dozen other jokers that would've been useless to you in that moment as well

[iron axle]

the chicot one is... something

i mean yeah, technically the serpent can benefit you

[river hinge]

the point is now youve added yet another joker to the pool that OP would not want

[iron axle]

i'm pretty sure that is the 1 and only boss blind that can do that

[iron axle]

the point is that you added a joker to the pool that is widely not useful except for some very specific builds

take a joker like fibonacci for example

+8 mult on ace, 2, 3, 5 and 8

consistent reliable good in a bunch of spots, sometimes you don't want it but it will fit in a LOT of builds especially straights, flush fives, and anything with card xmult or retriggers

while yes, in the moment, fibonacci may not be useful to me

that moment is far less common than the times where it is useful

it is the opposite with jokers like paredolia and stop card

vanilla is not immune to this and i do not like paredolia for that

[gaunt oracle]

Stop Card is literally the first joker I added to the mod because I thought it was cool that you could sidestep mechanics using that one boss blind that debuffs a random joker and wanted to put that in the game as a joker, this mod wouldn't exist if I didn't make that joker, and I still think it can lead to some fun builds, so I'm not removing it or making it common, simple as that

Most I'll do is remove the first hand debuff

Taking up a joker slot on it's own is enough balance if it's apparently useless

[iron axle]

okay do pick one or the other here are you shutting down the idea because the card is balanced as is or are you shutting it down because the joker is symbolic and changing it would do the mod a disservice

i'm not gonna go against either i just want you to pick 1 and not both

[gaunt oracle]

Mostly the first, you just don't personally see it as useful, but it has a pretty good amount of use cases, our ideas of what is useful and what isn't are completely different

You don't want it to act like a vanilla card by being niche on a higher rarity but you also don't want it to sidestep mechanics in-game, it's apparently meant to be in a narrow sweet spot

[iron axle]

ok the sidestep mechanics thing was harmonious' issue with it and that probably stems from blueprint not being able to copy end of round effects

i'm not gonna push more for it but i am gonna say 1 more thing just because it wasn't mentioned before

cards that only work with specific synergies become far far far less useful in larger modpacks with more jokers in the pool

everyone has different means of dealing with or ignoring that problem

i just put splash in every pool so it's less likely to happen to me

regardless, mod cool 👍 im not gonna hold 1 joker i disagree with against it

[gaunt oracle]

But you're gonna argue about it for over 30 minutes

[iron axle]

i like a good debate what can i say

[gaunt oracle]

If I see a joker I'm not a fan of in a mod, I just don't pick it up

Now people are gonna come over here and just see an argument

Yay

[iron axle]

hey all publicity is good publicity

[fading oyster]

common Marie W

[gaunt oracle]

That just makes me not want to make the mod

[fading oyster]

i'd do it outta spite if i were you but eh

[gaunt oracle]

I want people to have fun with this mod, not argue over it for extended periods of time because I like a joker and somebody else doesn't

But I also don't wanna just ignore criticism because that's a slippery slope into making a garbage mod

[fading oyster]

don't worry i'm joking

still

i'd say to try and work others' ideas in it if a lotta people don't like osmething

that said, if the one complaining is a single person just tell them to get banner and be done with it

[gaunt oracle]

Major Update

Added music and a lot of other stuff I won't bother listing, consult the top messages and please yell at me if anything crashes or doesn't work as described

[river hinge]

Start with a random Rare Aether Joker. Aether Jokers have a 1 in 4 chance of replacing a Joker of the same rarity in shops

what does the replacing thing mean?

[fading oyster]

that instead of spawning whatever it was supposed to spawn it spawns an aether joker instead?

[river hinge]

okay yeah makes sense

[fading oyster]

i dunno it's my theory

[gaunt oracle]

It literally looks at what jokers are in the shop when you enter the shop, and if the 1 in 4 chance hits, it just removes the old joker, and picks a random joker from my mod of the same rarity to put in it's place

[river hinge]

gotcha

[gaunt oracle]

It doesn't even take what jokers you have into account, which is a bug, but it might as well be a feature, because having multiple jokers is funny, though some of them will definitely bug out if you have multiple, I might have to somehow add an exclusive mechanic or something where it won't let you have more than 1 of a joker

[iron axle]

at the end of the day it is your mod

as long as you're not like
stealing sprites or anything

there's nothing wrong with what you're doing

[gaunt oracle]

So, I wanna make a specific feature of a joker, a deck, something, where if the boss blind is a suit debuff, and the debuff is against your most played suit, it will add Retcon to the shop, because legitimately at least 50% of my runs end because I invested into a suit, never got Retcon for any of the previous antes, and then the boss blind for my specific suit comes up, and I don't have time or money to pivot or compensate, and that just feels like "Welp, that was a cool run, too bad the game said fuck you"

I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, if that's a good or bad idea, or if it's even feasible without being useless 99% of the time like Stop Card apparently is

Am I just coping for being absolutely garbage at the game and blaming it on luck?

[fluid field]

That's just the nature of a roguelike honestly

[fading oyster]

I love playing flushes and I never get suit blinds

lady luck hates you

[gaunt oracle]

Maybe I could add decks for each suit or something? Could also unlock extra jokers that are suit based that only appear with that deck

Which would probably be jokers that mimic the abilities of other suit jokers like Rough Gem or Bloodstone, but for all suits

And that would have the anti-suit blind mechanic

Maybe I could implement a new type of consumeable that gives you permanent buffs that are basically just unluck prevention measures

Now I'm getting ideas of sacrificing playing cards to get those buffs, like you can sacrifice 5 cards of the same suit to disable the blind that debuffs that suit

[iron axle]

the one thing i can say on the skill end is

if you see a suit blind appear early, go full into that suit

because each blind only appears once until they all show up and it refreshes

if the club shows up ante 1 or 2, it's never coming back again until after ante 30, so you're safe to go clubs for the whole run

pretty likely that ante 1 or 2 is a suit boss too

a boss blind that debuffs your most played suit is pretty interesting but that wouldn't achieve what you want it to achieve

[iron axle]

.... so wild cards?

you could make like a common joker that makes wild cards unable to be debuffed

or you could make stuff that disables boss blinds

or you could just
add more boss blinds

that will always reduce the chance of suit bosses showing up

perhaps a Director Joker, which gives Director's Cut when sold (gives retcon if you already had director's cut, rerolls boss blind when sold if you already have director's cut and retcon)

that'd probably have to be a rare

[gaunt oracle]

Which just means there's a high chance you'll never see it before you get hit with that suit blind

[iron axle]

just like stop card it has way more use cases than just suit bosses

director's cut and retcon are very powerful vouchers that do many things

face cards will love that

plants hate him
watch how this joker saves your run with 1 simple Rare Tag

if you don't make that joker i'm writing it down and i'll put it in a mod at some point later

[gaunt oracle]

Also why would you not just go for a Luchador then? It does the same thing but in the moment rather than before

[iron axle]

because luchador is a 1 time thing on sell and you have to keep it in your joker slots until the bad boss appears

director joker can be sold immediately and you get director's cut which keeps you safe for the majority of the run

[gaunt oracle]

At that point there might as well just be a joker that adds a second voucher to every shop so you have twice the chance to find Director's Cut / Retcon

Because that would make it even more useful

[river hinge]

i dont like the idea of jokers giving you a voucher...defeats the purpose

[river hinge]

this is better

def would have to be rare

[iron axle]

that sounds better as a voucher effect

[gaunt oracle]

Could also have an uncommon that functions like the Diet Soda but gives you a reroll tag instead when sold

[iron axle]

idk if i'd make that uncommon

but idk about making it common either actually

it feels like it'd be inbetween those two

also wait

[gaunt oracle]

Also that just means even more vouchers in the pool and you need to then hope that you get that voucher, making it a joker would keep it separate from the voucher pool, and you can find it through shop rerolls and buffoon packs

[iron axle]

now this is an almost strict downgrade to luchador

[iron axle]

director joker is a joker and not a voucher 👀

i don't know why I like this idea so much

[gaunt oracle]

This is Chicot but worse, and you hate Chicot, so why do you like this idea?

[iron axle]

what the fuck

no

I hate canio

chicot is bestie

[gaunt oracle]

I think I'm just done, obviously I'm not cut out for this, and I'm just assuming things about people

Yet another failed project, yay [=

[iron axle]

don't give up on it

just try things out

things will look different on paper than in practice

[gaunt oracle]

I shouldn't pretend that I have any idea what the fuck I'm doing

[iron axle]

you don't have to have an idea of what you're doing

truth be told, most of us don't

we all go get all our answers from #💻・modding-dev because we can't read

[gaunt oracle]

If everybody who weighs in says you're right and I'm the one that thinks you're being a dick, that just means I'm the dick, and I'm wrong, I should take the fucking hint

[iron axle]

oh no i am definitely being a little blunt about this

i tend to do that

[gaunt oracle]

The fact that I'm even debating ignoring all of your advice because of the way you present it shows that I have completely failed as a mod developer

I have no fucking backbone and shouldn't even be publicizing anything I create

[iron axle]

that doesn't mean you should give up

failure is an opportunity to grow and prevent failing the same way again

there is nothing wrong with failing

you should keep going

it doesn't matter how many walls you run into as long as you don't run into the same wall twice

[gaunt oracle]

Exactly what is happening right now always happens when I have a public project, my entire creative existence is running into the same wall over and over

[iron axle]

that's because you're forcing yourself back into the same routine that happened every other time - giving up immediately

you don't have to do that

[gaunt oracle]

I'm just gonna lose motivation for this in a week and completely abandon it anyways /=

[iron axle]

hey that's perfectly fine too

you work on your mod whenever you feel up for it

there is no obligation to run a consistent schedule

if you enjoy that 1 week, there's nothing wrong with that

[gaunt oracle]

Now the next time somebody looks at this channel it'll be full of me self loathing and giving myself the worst possible look instead of actual progress on the mod and people talking about it

[iron axle]

that doesn't matter

what matters is that you have fun doing it

[gaunt oracle]

If I'm having fun doing it doesn't matter if the output is garbage

[iron axle]

there's a multitude of things you can do for that

ask for help in the main chats
run polls in here for things
get someone else to playtest your mod before a release

the polls help a lot for getting a general idea of what the most people want

i've done those a few times

highly recommend it

i'd also recommend staying in touch with dimserene's modpacks
eventually your mod could be added to a modpack like that and that is a large population of people who will not report bugs in your thread, but the dimserene server or thread

i can't hold it against them but it is kind of annoying

good publicity though especially for finding out if your mod has incompatibilities

you gotta keep trying even if the output is initially garbage you can build on that and it'll get better with time

what kind of motivation gets you going

i think that's a good question to ask right now

[gaunt oracle]

Good question, I don't have an answer, and I haven't found one in the 7+ years I can remember

[iron axle]

🤔

try giving yourself a consistent schedule or deadline maybe

say, 1 joker every other day or so

i know a lot of people who really work well when they have a deadline and schedules help you get a routine and that makes it easier to keep going

with any luck these'll stick

one thing that helped me personally with making mod releases was making a checklist of things that I need to get done

then I have a sense of direction and I know what I should be doing and how much is left

my computer keeps freezing

if i vanish that's why

[gaunt oracle]

That's the one answer everybody gives and it has not worked, after a few times keeping up to that schedule, it falls through, the only thing that can push me to have a consistent schedule is if I have to do it or there'll be consequences, like not going to a job or some shit

[iron axle]

ah well it was worth a shot

give the checklist a try

[gaunt oracle]

I'm just going to stop asking, I might as well just accept that I'll never get anything worthwhile done

[iron axle]

well that mindset immediately shuts you out of ever being able to do anything

and the more things you quit because of it, the worse it will get each time you quit something

you gotta break the cycle

[gaunt oracle]

Literally the only thing I've stayed consistent with is game design and music, that's it, and those aren't very useful

[iron axle]

the only thing you've stayed consistent with so far

also game design is perfect for this actually

designing modded objects absolutely falls in that ballpark

[gaunt oracle]

Well obviously I don't actually have the chops for it because I design shit like Stop Card and my own game design doc is too long to ever be developed in any capacity

[iron axle]

not everything you make will be perfect immediately

that's just how it is with all things creative

[gaunt oracle]

I've been working on my game for almost half a decade

[iron axle]

perhaps break up your game into smaller sections to make the development easier to digest

[gaunt oracle]

Anything you can suggest I've most likely already done, and it didn't work

[gaunt oracle]

If you like any of the jokers enough in this mod, please steal them, this mod probably isn't going to progress for much longer /=

[river hinge]

why not?

[gaunt oracle]

Lack of motivation, lack of confidence in my own ability, and lack of ability to take criticism

[river hinge]

i dont think you should sell yourself short here, the jokers youve made are incredible, the features are really hard to get right and you got it working which is huge

and criticism is a part of whenever you create something that other people use, end of the day really the question is if you like what you created, if thats a yes, who cares what the others think

but lack of motivation i can understamd, youve been at this for a while, so it can cause burnouts

[gaunt oracle]

Like I said before, ignoring criticism is a slippery slope to making a shit mod and not even knowing it

[river hinge]

the fact youre engaging with criticism means youre not ignoring it

[fading oyster]

selling your mod out to who uses it is still pretty dumb though

[river hinge]

youve considered what the others have said and you disagree with them and you want to keep it the way it is, is perfectly acceptable

[fading oyster]

i'd argue if they really, and i mean, REALLY wanted what they complained about they'd make their own mod

[river hinge]

its your mod

[fading oyster]

(except me, i'm too lazy for this)

that said, keep up the great work

[gaunt oracle]

Joker idea : If first discard is only one card, strip it's edition, and apply that edition to the first card of next played hand

[fading oyster]

what would be the usecases

[gaunt oracle]

You get a polychrome playing card but you really don't want it to be on the card it's on, so you still take it but you transfer the edition to a card it'd actually be useful on, means you can deck fix even harder and salvage bad luck editions

Also means you can play an edition on a card that contributes to a poker hand your build is based around even if the card it was originally on doesn't

[river hinge]

I like this but is there a visual cue for where those editions are stored?

Also it is just edition or enhancement/deals too

Seals

I have a tarot card that does a similar thing

[gaunt oracle]

I'm thinking just edition, and it'd show the edition in the description, so it'd say (Currently [edition])

[river hinge]

Cool

I like it, I’d take it early on

But usually I skip over jokers for deck fixing

Leave those to tarots

[river hinge]

Hey @gaunt oracle, I know you sent a message here ealier about being able to copy code but i just wanted to make sure if i could still do it. I was going to use your code for Flushify joker in my mod, do you mind if i do so? I will add credit to your mod in my code as well

[gaunt oracle]

Go right ahead

I don't really mind people taking parts of my mod for their own mods

[river hinge]

thank you :)

[gaunt oracle]

The development's kinda dead anyways

[river hinge]

im sorry to hear that, i hope you do come back to this eventually

[gaunt oracle]

New consumable idea: permanent deck upgrades based on ranks and suits

Such as: All 7s give +10 chips, or all Queens give $2

Also new placeholder joker art for Sleeved Joker and Counterfeit Joker

[river hinge]

i like this idea

would there ever be a reason to not take a deck upgrade?

[gaunt oracle]

Only if the upgrades present just like, don't apply to your deck, like if you're playing kings but the only upgrades are for numbered cards

Kinda like planet cards, if there's no planet cards for your main hand and you don't have constellation or satellite you just don't take one

[gaunt oracle]

How does this look for a booster pack? The foreground elements deliberately go against Balatro's color scheme, but I think it looks good

[gaunt oracle]

I've got chips, mult, xmult, and money, what other upgrade types should there be for cards?

[gaunt oracle]

How do these look?

To avoid having a sprite sheet with hundreds of cards I made them 2 layers, the upgrade stat, and the suit / rank

[gaunt oracle]

If it's a rank should the rank be put at the bottom right like the suit instead of the top right?

[river hinge]

theres xchips but its more of a meme in the community

[river hinge]

yeah maybe for consistency's sake

but also i wouldnt use the green/purple colour scheme, its kind of hard to read

[gaunt oracle]

Green?

[green slate]

I like it how it is... plus this way if someone wants to make a playing card deck with these designs they can

[river hinge]

for the suit

[green slate]

If you'd permit it ofc

[gaunt oracle]

The green is just the club color

[gaunt oracle]

People can do whatever they want with my mod, even just steal it wholesale

[green slate]

I think the problem is the low contrast not which colors are chosen

[green slate]

Based

[green slate]

If you're gonna do the same color dark on light there needs to be more of a difference in value

Or you could use different hues too

[gaunt oracle]

I wanna keep it consistent with the suit mult joker colors

[green slate]

I'm just saying green on green is fine but the greens need to have nore distance in brightness

Same for purple on purple

[gaunt oracle]

I think I'm having trouble really seeing where the problem is, but I might also just be stupid

[green slate]

The rank and suit text are the same color as the background they're on

Which is fine but there's too low of contrast apparently

I don't mind personally but I can see the issue

[gaunt oracle]

Oh the text

[river hinge]

yeah

its hard to read

[gaunt oracle]

I was looking at the suit and rank icons

[river hinge]

no no

[gaunt oracle]

Yeah that's a fair criticism

[green slate]

Tbh the symbols tell you too though so the text is kinda just for flair

[river hinge]

yeah i just like having clear info regardless

[green slate]

But yeah as for the positioning, I strongly prefer it as is

Makes them more balanced as a set instead of all top weighted

[river hinge]

i was going to suggest putting rank down in the same spot as the suit

[green slate]

And like I said makes it so you could you both to make playing cards with this style

[river hinge]

so its consistent

and theres more whitespace in the top

[green slate]

Yeah I don't mind that tbh. Would give the cards good diagonal symmetry

[river hinge]

yup

the top would look less cluttered as you already have the ability there

[gaunt oracle]

Is that better for the suits?

Might make club and diamond brighter

[river hinge]

ooo yes much more clear

[green slate]

Yeah was gonna say this two were still a bit lc

But besides that def better

Also it's hard to tell because I'm on my phone which technically has a much better display than my laptop

[gaunt oracle]

I prefer the LC colors for large scale stuff, for small scale the HC is definitely better

[green slate]

But might not be calibrated sensibly

[gaunt oracle]

And the suit mult jokers don't have HC variants so I don't have a color palette to pull from

[green slate]

I mean I think that just eyeballing it is fine. I think treating balatro like a pallatisized game is a design mistake ngl

It really isn't

[river hinge]

yeah just use your own colours

[gaunt oracle]

The shades of purple and pink are already my own colors, but for suits specifically I think keeping them consistent is WAY more important

The suit colors are present across the entire game, so if they're different here, they'll stick out like a sore thumb

[green slate]

Not.... really? I mean we all have our own forms of autism here, but as long as they're in the same ballpark I highly doubt I'd think once about them let alone twice

[gaunt oracle]

Here's the new rank layers

[river hinge]

i love this

much more clean and very readable

[gaunt oracle]

And some examples of how they'd look together

Yes the diamond money card would just be rough gem without the joker [=

I'm wondering if I should make a third layer that defines the context of the upgrade, such as scored, held, in deck, etc...

That'd go in that little top right corner space

[green slate]

Does balatro enjoy 3 layer sprites? I know cryptic users then for exotics but idk how tortured the code is

[gaunt oracle]

True, but it is possible

[gaunt oracle]

They now have little badges, S = scored, H = held, D = deck, and it'll tell you exactly what it does in the card description before you use it, and I'm thinking of also having a way to tell what parts of your deck are upgraded and how

Also I forgot to show off the finished booster pack icon, at least for the standard one

[river hinge]

this is so peak

[gaunt oracle]

New update, lots of sprite changes and a new deck skin, even though the name is broken

[gaunt oracle]

New update : HC deck skin improvements + text color fix

[gaunt oracle]

Should buffs be allowed to stack, or should it be limited to 1 effect per suit / rank?

Could also be 1 effect per suit / rank and context

[river hinge]

Depends on the buffs that are in place already

How strong are they?

[gaunt oracle]

The current buffs are Chips, Mult, xMult, and Money, and they can trigger on suits or ranks being scored, discarded, held in hand, or in deck. Suits give 1/4th the buff of ranks. Scored gives full buff, discarded gives half buff, held in hand gives 1/3rd buff, and deck gives 1/4th buff. Chips start at 32, Mult starts at 8, xMult starts at +0.5x, and Money starts at $4, so if you had a 8s Scored Chips Buff it would give you 32 Chips for each played 8, if you had a Hearts Held Money Buff you'd get $1 for every 3 heart cards held in hand, and if you had a Kings Deck xMult Buff you'd get +0.5X mult for every 4 kings in your full deck

It could be limited by only allowing 1 buff per rank/suit, or 1 of each buff type per rank/suit, or 1 buff per context per rank/suit

[gaunt oracle]

Idea: A joker that gives you money at end of round for every 3rd streak of an adjacent joker, AKA the amount of times a joker that can gain stats and reset under certain conditions has been upgraded, which includes Ride the Bus, Obelisk, Campfire, Hit the Road and Tennis Joker, and possibly just scaling jokers, but for every 5th streak

[gaunt oracle]

Buffs are working, now I just need to get their visuals properly done, for their description, where I have to learn an entirely new system, and for their sprites, where I have to learn an entirely new system [=

[river hinge]

i would let it stack to start with and see how powerful they get and then adjust strength of buff/make it non stackable based on that

[gaunt oracle]

I'm ditching the in-message and github overviews of the mod and it's features, and I'm moving it to a Google Doc instead, because that's just much easier to update and it allows for advanced formatting
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oEil7izLRa5cSwQqP7SrnszJRWUwlQasgli1JrAC5Vs/edit?usp=sharing

[green slate]

https://github.com/notmario/balatrowebsitetemplate

This mayhaps? Seems to be what you're emulating anyway

[gaunt oracle]

I haven't seen that before, I just wanted to kinda consolidate the info of the mod

And I'm already used to using Google Docs for everything

[green slate]

It's funny how much it ends up looking just like a site with that template

https://notmario.github.io/MoreFluff/

But fair ig. Google docs are just kinda awkward on mobike

Though the template can be too

[gaunt oracle]

If you're gonna be installing a mod then you're probably not gonna be on mobile

[green slate]

Sure, but I do mod research on mobile all the time

[gaunt oracle]

I could try making the layout thinner so it'll show up on mobile properly, I just don't wanna make the text even smaller and the doc even taller

[green slate]

Nah it's fine ngl

Life not an issue at all

In just biased against Google docs

[gaunt oracle]

On my phone it's actually working just fine

Only issue is that the background color is kinda broken

[green slate]

Yeah it does work just fine. I may more that it just feels awkward if that makes any sense

[gaunt oracle]

It's more convenient for me and allows for a bit of style, as well as showing off the art for every joker, so I think that's a worthy trade-off

[green slate]

By all means ngl

Plus it does look good

[gaunt oracle]

Alright, I'm gonna push the new update

[green slate]

https://voltdocs.com/

Huh this is interesting... not saying you need to use this ofc, just nice to know it exists.

[gaunt oracle]

I've already got a lot of expertise with Wix, if I need to make it a website I can, I just think a Google Doc is easier to edit, and Wix doesn't allow easy in-line advanced text formatting

[green slate]

That's the thing this is just... makes your doc a webpage that you don't even have to think about it because it auto updates when the doc doez

So on your side nothing would change

[gaunt oracle]

I'm gonna stick with what I have

[green slate]

Fair

I think I just hate things not being accessible through the normal indexed web I guess. Not that docs can't be indexed if you publish them but yeah.

Anyway it's a me problem and I'll shut up about it

Keep up the great work on your mod

[gaunt oracle]

Sorry for being stubborn

[green slate]

I can't blame anyone there, I'm as stubborn as they come

[gaunt oracle]

Major update : Buff Cards

Also changed some wording and added more description coloring

[green slate]

Probably don't use @/here I'm almost sure it doesn't work and wouldn't be allowed if it dud

[gaunt oracle]

Alright good to know

[river hinge]

This update is PEAK

Love it

[gaunt oracle]

Oh yeah! Forgot to mention you can also now disable individual jokers in the mod

[gaunt oracle]

Should legendary buff cards have a small chance to take on a unique effect, like retriggers or hand level ups?

Or maybe giving hands / discards, stuff like that

I'm open to any other ideas

[river hinge]

Does hand level up become a better space joker?

[green slate]

oh I need to add this shit still, don't I? I keep forgetting

[gaunt oracle]

It would trigger once per hand if you use a specific card in a specific way [=

[green slate]

so I added it, and I get this crash when opening the config dialog

I got a similar crash on boot, that was fixed by disabling garbshit's custom tit;e screen for some reason

other configs work though, so I think it's something to do with or interacting with specifically this mod

[river hinge]

Gotcha, I like alternative ways to upgrade poker hands so I’m biased

Retriggers are dime a dozen

So it wouldn’t feel very “legendary”

[gaunt oracle]

But it'd allow retriggers on things you don't typically have them on, like numbered cards above 5, aces, and entire suits

That and they can also work for in-hand and in-deck

[green slate]

did you see the crash report?

[gaunt oracle]

get_current_pool_ref sounds like something somebody would use to hook a function, I use base_[functionname], so somebody else's hook might be interfering with my mod for some reason

I have no idea how I would fix that

I'm not even checking any pools, the only place in the config that I'm getting jokers is with a direct key

[green slate]

lemme see something

it might just crash in any card area spawning jokers

yeah, it crashed when I got to the shop

so not on you

my bad

[green slate]

this ended up being an issue with using the main branch of too many decks

it happens even on its own

[gaunt oracle]

Alrighty

[river hinge]

Interesting

Seems like there’s a uniqueness to it

[gaunt oracle]

Either that or keeping it how it is right now, just increasing the base stats

[river hinge]

I’d like the poker hand upgrade

[gaunt oracle]

Any other suggestions for legendary interactions?

[gaunt oracle]

I made a config option to replace the default enhancer atlas with my own so that wild cards and erratic deck follow the deck skin suit colors

Any other suggestions for skin replacements?

[green slate]

isn't that more idealy done with a malverk skin?

[gaunt oracle]

I want my mod to have zero dependencies

And having it as a config options means you can just turn it off and restart if it's incompatible with some other mod

[green slate]

myself and some other people playing my modpack have been getting stack overflows that are resolved by removing aether. IT's clearly an interaction because it doesn't occur with just aether, smods, and debugplus, but i can't track down the rest of the cause

@gaunt oracle

[gaunt oracle]

I'm not really sure what causes stack overflows

I've never had the issue

[green slate]

I've figured out the other mod involved

it's extra credit

crashes with just them and both work without eachother

This happens specically when obtaining a joker in any manner, and some other kinda random, but reporducable if you reload the run, ways

I've noticed that m+aether_counterfeir and base_calculate_joker in relation to your mod, are all over the crash

I doubt you did anything wrong (extra credit is known to be jank and I also reported it to them) but that might help you track down the issue

[green slate]

@gaunt oracle I noticed when referencing it (read: copying it to use as a teplate) I noticed that your deck skins have "loc_text" instead of "loc_tct" and that's why they shown their key in the menu instead of the name

[gaunt oracle]

Wuh oh

I'm so used to unabbreviating things when I type that I did it while coding

[green slate]

fair

I also hope that if you have time you're able to figure out a way around the overrflow crashes with extra credit

[gaunt oracle]

Like I said, I have no idea what causes them

I don't even know what I'd be looking for

[green slate]

just was able to narrow it down to this part of your hook (or maybe this part /is/ the whole part you added, don't really know hooks well), of calculate_joker

        if SMODS.has_enhancement(context.other_card, 'm_aether_counterfeit') and context.other_card.ability.extra.uses_left <= 0 and context.other_card ~= self and not context.check_enhancement then

            return nil

        end

    end

if I remove it, no more crash

I'm not good enough at coding to see what in Balatro University is conflicting with it, but you probbably would be

[gaunt oracle]

I don't know how that'd be creating an overflow

That just makes sure that counterfeit cards won't trigger abilities when they run out of uses

[green slate]

as I said, it's almost certainly something they're doing that's messing it up

I just can't figure out what

[gaunt oracle]

If it was a problem with how the code is structured it'd give a normal error, but no, stack overflow

[green slate]

it means it's an unhandled exception that causes like a in infinite loop or something

[green slate]

I think it's a problem with what Extra Credit's code is /doing/ and you're just an unfortunate victim of it, lol

they do have some weird shit going ion with how they deal with enhancements. Like, they use an optional smods feature called quantum unhancements and i'm not really sure what they're doing with it

[green slate]

I checked again, and removing this definitly does stop the crash from happening.

I think adding this check to calculate joker makes something in extra credit freak out and crash the game whenever Whenever a joker is well... calculated, like on obtaining

Their jank must interfere with the has_enhancement check

I did notice they use SMODS.get_enhancements instead, yes with a plural. I think that has something to do with whatever quantum unhancements are

I suspect that possibly any mod using quantum enhancements turns it on for the whole game

so your check is converted to that

this is pure speculation though

I think the answer my rest somehwere here, but fucked if I undestand it if so

[river hinge]

Jokers that pertain to the same suit of the legendary card get a modifier to their abilities?

[river hinge]

Maybe but it’s literally an if statement so I have no clue what causes that to have an infinite loop

Definitely something they/smods should figure out

[green slate]

we figured it out in #💻・modding-dev

[river hinge]

Sick

What was the issue

[green slate]

it was because the presense of rquantum enhancements was making this card:calculate_joker call a context too

at least that's how it was explained to me

I'll link the message

[river hinge]

Yeah quantum enhancements are definitely not coded optimally

And not even documented properly

So makes sense

[river hinge]

Ty

[green slate]

https://discordapp.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1233186615086813277/1369162774948610098

I was a bit off, but same thing functionally

https://discordapp.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1233186615086813277/1369164003254997054

I @'d kaeda when a possible solution was offered

[river hinge]

Is there a way to make this check go elsewhere, I suppose this crash will always happen whenever another mod uses quantum enhancements

[river hinge]

Awesome I didn’t see this

Good to know for my purposes as well haha

[gaunt oracle]

I have no idea how I'd implement that, it barely even looks like it's related, it's just an alternate steel tally

Is it this part specifically?

[green slate]

(read it wrong)

oh I did read it right and was just looking at the weong thing

[green slate]

it's to stop it from looping. When it's done it sets steelprocess to false

y'know i'm doubtiung myself again, finna just shut up

i ougha sleep

[river hinge]

Bump in case missed

[gaunt oracle]

I wanna avoid anything that upgrades cards, only stuff that happens because of cards

[river hinge]

Fair enough, there’s not very many mechanics in vanilla for that, I think you’ve covered pretty much all of them

Unless you introduce new mechanics

[gaunt oracle]

Which I do kinda wanna do, I already did that with Flushify and in deck Buff Cards

[river hinge]

Awesome yeah maybe other new mechanics could be used for legendary effects then

[gaunt oracle]

I also did that with Consuming and Inverting, I kinda forgot how many new mechanics I've made

[gaunt oracle]

Forgot to update to try and fix the stack overflow crash, should be updated now

Also, idea for a voucher, joker or new type of planet card: Upgrading composite hands, as in if you upgrade Straight Flush, it also upgrades Straight and Flush separately, or if you upgrade Full House, it also upgrades 3oak, Two Pair, and Pair, it takes the contains mechanic and applies it to hand upgrading

[river hinge]

I love this

Surprised I haven’t seen this in more mods

Something I might implement in my own

Could be a voucher where the first one only does the composite hands and the upgraded one does both normal and composite hands

[gaunt oracle]

I'm thinking of calling the first level "BOGO", which upgrades a random hand alongside the planet card, and the second level "Mix & Match", which upgrades composite hands

[river hinge]

That also works

[gaunt oracle]

I'm gonna add this code to my mod 😎

    if v.wealth >= 1000000000 then
        v:remove()
    end
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[gaunt oracle]

Another idea: a joker that draws cards to your hand when you play a hand, so when you play 5 cards, it draws 5 cards to your hand immediately, to allow for more in-hand effects to hit

[river hinge]

i saw a mod do the same ability as well

i think its really cool

encourages other builds rather than defaulting to high card builds

[gaunt oracle]

Meanwhile I have Tennis Joker, which is specifically made for pure high card builds

[gaunt oracle]

What about a legendary joker that lets you determine the order of your deck using the full deck menu?

[river hinge]

Holy

So broken

You only need to fix your deck up to one hand size

Forget about the rest of your deck because it’s a one shot win anyway

That being said I love the idea of making something like that possible

Maybe it nerfs the cards in some way

Or scoring

Or increases the blind requirement

[amber swallow]

i love the buff card system so much, that's so fun

what's the custom music from? i like it

[amber swallow]

i love it when balatro mod mechanics encorage you to seek out specific ranks and suits independently from other systems like jokers or consumables. reminds me a lot of bettma's spells. it leads to a lot of emergent synergies

one other thing, will this mod ever get added to the mirehaze wiki?

[gaunt oracle]

I made it

[gaunt oracle]

I wasn't even aware there was one, if somebody wants to add it I won't stop them

[gaunt oracle]

[=

Only appears on legendary buff cards, and only 1/6th of the time, since it just adds these to the potential stats

It also works with other buff card triggers, so if you have a +1 Mult for every King in deck buff card, a Retrigger all Kings 2 additional times when in deck buff card will retrigger that +1 Mult

And it also works on triggers due to other card types, like suits

[amber swallow]

oh, nice. it fits really well.

[gaunt oracle]

New consumeable, very simple, but I think it's a good addition

And it's got a funny reference

[gaunt oracle]

You can now create broadened buff cards, which account for light suits, dark suits, even ranks, odd ranks, and face ranks

But when you use it, it halves the stat gain, so a +8 Mult buff card becomes a +4 Mult buff card

[river hinge]

Actual peak damn

[amber swallow]

are there plans to enable you to sell buff cards or see how many slots you have? i know this is still a work in progress so no rush

[gaunt oracle]

I can't figure out how to make them sellable, I've tried for hours, no idea how to do it, and for slot count, I just haven't really looked into it yet

If you wanna get rid of them, you use them, and they disappear

[amber swallow]

oh ok that makes sense. i was wondering what the use button was for. thanks

[gaunt oracle]

Idea for this voucher's name and art:

• Level 1 : "Eclipse"

Planet Cards upgrade the next highest unlocked poker hand
Planet Cards and Celestial Packs cost 1.5x (Not Stacked)

High Card > Pair, Pair > Two Pair, Two Pair > Full House, Full House > Flush House.
3oak > 4oak, 4oak > 5oak > Flush Five.
Straight > Straight Flush.
I'm not sure what Flush would upgrade, maybe it just gives you 2 levels.

Art is well, an eclipse, with the moon and the sun

• Level 2 : "Stars Align"

Planet cards upgrade the next highest unlocked poker hand and unlocked composite poker hands
Planet Cards and Celestial Packs cost 2x (Not Stacked)

High Card > Pair.
High Card < Pair > Two Pair.
High Card < Pair < Two Pair > Full House.
High Card < Pair < Two Pair < 3oak + Full House > Flush House.
High Card < Pair < Two Pair < 3oak + Full House < Flush + Flush House.

High Card + Pair + 3oak > 4oak.
High Card + Pair + 3oak < 4oak > 5oak.
High Card + Pair + 3oak < 4oak < 5oak > Flush Five.
High Card + Pair + 3oak < 4oak < 5oak < Flush + Flush Five.

High Card + Straight > Straight Flush
High Card + Straight < Flush + Straight Flush

Art is all of the planets in a row towards the camera, getting closer as they move down, with the secret hand planets in the distance

[river hinge]

So peak

[gaunt oracle]

It's gonna be hard to explain this in a card description

[river hinge]

You should also probably add a downside like

Planet cards and celestial packs cost x% more

[gaunt oracle]

I'll probably try to find a way to force planet cards to include info_queues for planet cards that shows the other planets they're gonna upgrade

[river hinge]

Probably the best way

[gaunt oracle]

I'm also gonna limit it to planet cards

There, now it makes Planet Cards and Celestial Packs cost 1.5x more for Eclipse, and 2x more for Stars Align

Not cost x 1.5 x 2 but cost x 1.5 or cost x 2

Now my question is uh... how do I deal with the joker that makes all planets and packs free?

Is it just a straight upgrade at the cost of a joker slot?

[gaunt oracle]

How does this look for the Eclipse voucher?

[gaunt oracle]

And the Planets Align voucher

[gaunt oracle]

Here's how they look in-game

[gaunt oracle]

It really didn't want me to show this off
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/scl/fi/k8yc5xk3uxbng6zlw19l7/2025-05-23-17-10-11.mp4?rlkey=3c65qj0m4tiyyfp7l3idnoioi&dl=1

[gaunt oracle]

Sadly I can't add the info_queue popups, it just causes a stack overflow because they keep adding each other in a loop

Should High Card be excluded from the Planets Align voucher? Every single planet card upgrades High Card, and it can get very powerful very quickly

The last thing I wanna do is railroad the player into a High Card build Tennis Joker already does that

[river hinge]

You don’t, I think it makes sense for that joker to let cards and packs be free

It comes at the cost of a joker slot so it’s alright

[river hinge]

Love both the sprites

[river hinge]

Yes

[gaunt oracle]

Funny idea, but I don't think I'll do it:
Joker that gives you infinite Discards, but steals all of your hands, so you need to one-shot every blind, but you can get your winning hand every time

[river hinge]

theres another mod that adds a food joker with the ability +5 discards and takes away 1 for every hand you play after the first

its essentially the same thing

as you can almost always get your winning hand with that many discards

7/8 discards means you can cycle through over half your deck

[river hinge]

this against the boss blind that takes away all your discards just becomes a more difficult needle

[gaunt oracle]

I feel like boss blinds completely fucking you over because of your build is 75% of the balance in Balatro

[river hinge]

true

[gaunt oracle]

Flushify Joker vs literally any suit blind

[gaunt oracle]

Balancing idea, -$1 for every discarded card

[river hinge]

Oooo

For every card might be too punishing but maybe -2 per discard?

[gaunt oracle]

Idea for a joker:
You can reserve items in the shop by trying to buy them without the money to do, making appear in the next shop

[gaunt oracle]

Diabolical boss blind idea :
Cards must be ordered from lowest to highest rank

[spare iron]

This custom music a banger, reminds me a lot of HOME - Resonance

[gaunt oracle]

Well thanks, I tried to mimic Balatro's style while still using my own

[gaunt oracle]

Idea for a spectral card:
Rankicide : Destroys all cards of selected card's rank in deck

[river hinge]

Amazing, does the card randomize the rank upon spawning?

[gaunt oracle]

It's a spectral card, so it does it to whatever card you select before using it

[gaunt oracle]

Seal idea:

• Pink Seal : Increases chance of this card being higher in the deck upon shuffle
  Basically makes the card quicker to draw for each round, since it's closer to the top of the deck

And a joker idea:

• Pity Change : +$5 for every lucky card that doesn't trigger in played hand

Or +$4 so that it adds up to 20 on a full hand, as if you hit a money trigger once

[gaunt oracle]

And another joker idea:

• Careless Carver : Stone Cards now count the most abundant rank in played hand

I wanted to make it count as every rank but that's not really possible without a million edge cases in the code

[quiet trout]

hello i think this mod somehow makes glass cards not transparent

also its very fun and interesting, i look forward to seeing where it goes with time :D

[quiet trout]

i also think that, at least for the suit discard legendarys, the level buff cards dont properly decrease the amount of "stored level ups" they have, so they just end up leveling every hand played

[gaunt oracle]

Yeah, I'm not sure what's causing that to happen, I've looked into it, but I can't figure it out

[gaunt oracle]

That's another bug I need to fix, should be mostly fixed, but I need to actually push the update

The mod also breaks the plasma deck chips / mult color change, and I don't know how to fix it

[candid skiff]

the art in this already looks so good, especially with the buff cards^^

defo trying this out later

[quiet trout]

all i can really think of is that maybe the glass texture in baseenhancers.png has its transparency set wrong, but i also dont know if the glass texture even has transparency normally or if the game applies the texture and then gives it transparency

[quiet trout]

if you cant figure out how to fix it you could maybe try just essentially just re-adding it instead? like just adding code to the mod that would do the color change to get around whatever is breaking it?

idk just spitballing these

[gaunt oracle]

Wait, I know what the issue is with that, I'll have to use a different pixel art program

[steel beacon]

Just discovered the mod and I already love it
Especially the buff cards, they are very cool looking
I can't wait to play this mod

[gaunt oracle]

The mod as it is right now is playable, it's just got a couple bugs I gotta fix, and also figure out how to fix

[steel beacon]

Good

[gaunt oracle]

@here

Hotfix

Fixed the glass sprite, fixed the Flushify / Plasma bug, added some polish to the Counterfeit Joker, and I added a new setting to the configs to turn on color coded tarots, because why not

[gaunt oracle]

New deck idea : Overflow Deck
You can take new jokers or consumeables from the shop regardless of your current joker or consumeable count, but they immediately become perishable.

[river hinge]

Too overpowered?

Much easier to achieve c++

Also amazing way to remove shitty jokers from pool

[gaunt oracle]

What do you think would be a good downside for having extra jokers?

[river hinge]

Jokers lose all sell value

Makes economy to afford all those jokers harder

[gaunt oracle]

-$1 sell value to all jokers for each joker above limit

[river hinge]

Could it go negative?

[river hinge]

Also just taking gift card would mitigate this negative entirely

Or gift certificate whatever the joker is called

[gaunt oracle]

Setting the sell value to zero would probably be better then

Or making shop jokers like, 50% more expensive per extra joker

[river hinge]

I like this more

[gaunt oracle]

New spectral card idea : Rebirth
Destroy the left and right card and give the middle card a random enhancement, seal, and edition (Select 3)

[gaunt oracle]

Should Handy Joker have extra sounds and / or status text when it activates?

[gaunt oracle]

Also another spectral card idea : Assimilate
Turn cards to the left into the rank of the rightmost card (Select 3)

[frail pewter]

Hi, so when I'm trying to end the round with my deck and a Joker no mather which it is (My mod is GIGA and the deck is the Momentum one) it crash and I tried some things and I think It's because of Maximus. 'Cause when I play with all my mods and not Aether everything go fine and when I play with only your mod it work too. Finaly when I add maximus with your mod it doesnt work it make my game crash. Here is the crash log :

If you download my mod to see by yourself remove the Momentum deck from the comment

[frail pewter]

I Rework the deck for now but I think I think its when a deck give cash at the end of the round like gold card it make the game crash

[gaunt oracle]

My deck doesn't give cash at end of round, so I don't know why it would be doing that

For some reason it's crashing when it's checking to see if a card is a counterfeit card, no idea why

[frail pewter]

Yeah thats kinda weird

[gaunt oracle]

Idea : buff cards can be either a x/x cards to trigger, or they can be a 1 in x chance