#Victin's Collection [ALPHA] | 45 Jokers | 20 Blinds | New mechanics to come! šŸ‘€

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Open ALPHA has started!

This mod currently provides 45 Jokers, 20 Blinds, and 5 Tags.

New mechanics, including [REDACTED]enhancements and [REDACTED] are under development.

Expect bugs, unfinished content, and unbalanced content. Please help the developer by bringing issues such as bugs and balance issues to light.

Mechanical and flavor reworks may occur in the future, including potentially scrapping ideas if deemed unfun, uninteresting, impossible to balance, or simply not a good fit for this mod even if otherwise being good ideas.

Download it here: https://github.com/VictinZero/balatro-victins-collection/releases/tag/v0.0.0-alpha.2.0

GitHub

As before, this release is still in ALPHA, for testing purposes.
This update brings the total number of Jokers to 45 and of Blinds to 20. Furthermore, 5 Tags have been added.
Changelog
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Here's some of the content currently available:

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Ouroboros
Sell this Joker to refresh Hands, Discards, and the deck

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Champion's Belt
X2.5 Mult

Each Boss Blind is a Showdown Boss Blind!

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Syzygy
If 3 different Planet cards were used this round, balance Chips and Mult

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Tyrian Patriarch
Defeat two Bosses before playing this (1 refresh)

livid sinew
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livid sinew
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yea i kinda forgot i made it in the first place, good to see it being used at least

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Are you still working on your mod?

livid sinew
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the isaac x balatro mod idea i think is cursed at this point (at least when i try it), but i do still have some remaining assets

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Question for players:

  1. Have you played this mod?
  2. Do you have a favorite Joker out of the 15 included in the alpha release? Or a favorite Blind from the initial 11?
  3. Do you have any comments on bugs, balance, or other issues so far?
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Answering these questions will help me plan the next content update. I have 15 working Jokers I could release already. However, I am waiting on two things:

  • I want data from the current alpha to learn what bug or balance fixes I need to do;
  • One of the internal systems is pending a rework that I would like to include in the next content update.
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Victin's Collection [ALPHA] | 15 Jokers | 11 Blinds | New mechanics to come! šŸ‘€

ornate quail
# upbeat cipher # Question for players: 1. Have you played this mod? 2. Do you have a favorite ...

from what i've tried for now: ouroboros and lv ? death are my favorite jokers, and pariarch is my favorite boss, especially with the refresh mechanic. as for boss blinds, purpur prion is a bit too strong of a blind, it's effectively an even stronger flint and that was already one of the hardest boss blinds in vanilla. also the chaos is bugged, it says that it removes the debuff upon flush/straight played but i actually only had to highlight a flush to remove the debuff, not play it

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ornate quail
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i like the chaos, its just bugged

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but the mechanic is neat

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-# If you liked Patriarch, I think you might like some Jokers I have planned. But I need to lay the groundwork so they can even function first

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ornate quail
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yeah patriach is the coolest modded boss i've seen yet(i mostly play vanillaish mods so that doesnt say much, but it really is cool)

ornate quail
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-# The code was based on/copied from L Corp’s

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ornate quail
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you mean the ability description?

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"cards are debuffed until played hand contains flush or straight"

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ornate quail
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3 would be toooooo easy

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pretty much any hand does it

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would be the easiest boss blind by far

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I guess so

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Maybe Full House or 4OAK

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But I didn’t like it too much so I kept it as I first programmed it

ornate quail
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i'd just wait to see how other ppl think of it

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ornate quail
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welp keep on advertising i suppose XD

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I gotta but I don’t want to be annoying

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New content would maybe help, but I wanted to test in a small scale

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@clever river the One is here if you want to play with it

clever river
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Nice

storm rapids
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help

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oh huh it also deactivates immediately when the flush hand is selected

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doesnt wait for it to be played

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storm rapids
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im sorry

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It’s fine

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Must be new

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I'll occasionally post developments in the modding channels. That's for content that may take a while until it is introduced to the Alpha, or that I may rework in the future.

For example, there's this planned mechanic, and an Enhancement that makes use of it.

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Still workshopping the wording ^^'

gentle ibex
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running into an issue where this mod being enabled causes all runs to behave like i have Splash

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is anyone else running into this or is it some bizarre mod conflict

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gentle ibex
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i believe latest? 1031b

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You’re like 4 months behind

gentle ibex
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oh what the hell LOL

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Although to be fair

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I didn’t test the released Alpha with 03XX

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The dev branch worked fine, so I think the Alpha should work too

gentle ibex
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ok thats crazy i downloaded this like yesterday lemme test this out 😭

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In the last two days it made a beta release

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However there have been some bugfixed since the beta release

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Which I don’t think have been released

gentle ibex
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this version right?

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I think so

gentle ibex
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yeah still happens

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gentle ibex
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yeah i can do this tomorrow

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Unless no one had noticed it earlier, I’m inclined to think it’s an issue with another mod

gentle ibex
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i do believe this yeah 🤭

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I tested (the dev branch of) Victin's Collection and cards are scored correctly.

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Up Your Sleeve is bugged in the dev branch, and presumably also in the Alpha release. It might be a SMODS issue, but we shall see.

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isaac and his isaac lived alone in a small isaac on an isaac

fiery thorn
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It would be cool to have a challengue where you start with an eternal champion's belt and only hearts in your deck

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The gambling of Isaac

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fiery thorn
gentle ibex
tight maple
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@upbeat cipher do any of your features mess with SMODS.always_scores?

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for some god forsaken reason having both your and my mod enabled causes it to? always return true?

tight maple
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altering the mod priorities so that my mod loads after yours fixes the issue for some reason?

tight maple
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i. don't know why this happens but

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if i call SMODS.get_enhancements() within the SMODS.always_scores hook it makes it so all cards always score

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but only if i call it after the reference function call

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whatever? it's fixed? but why the actual fuck

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oh my god

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it's because my hooked used a variable ret that i didn't make local

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so it was calling some random ass global ret variable

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probably why this mod and the mod order affects it

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so there's probably a global ret variable in your mod as well @upbeat cipher i've already fixed it on my part but you might wanna look into it anyways

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Hmmm

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It could be SMODS or vanilla

tight maple
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not even in hooks?

tight maple
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I could be hooking or patching something that prompts something else to use your global ret

tight maple
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well in any case it's taken care of

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It doesn't look like vanilla has any global ret. SMODs has maybe two patches that don't define a local ret, but they could be using vanilla ones

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@young otter ping

young otter
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Woah :0

storm rapids
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@slender urchin you too

slender urchin
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^q^

storm rapids
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^q^

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^q^

fiery thorn
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do flesh cards destroy other flesh cards?

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sly heart
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this is peak

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I've had this Joker planned for a while, but I had expected it to be harder to implement than it actually was.
It should come in the next release, and with non-placeholder art if I don't procastinate on finishing the artwork I already stated.

||Binary Star||
||Your Planet cards are used 1 additional time||

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I might release some spoilers every day in anticipation of the next alpha release. I changed my mind about what Jokers to include next, so I do need to choose some replacements, but I already had more than enough for a set of 15

fiery thorn
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absolute yes

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solid raft
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bad ending: 35 of spades

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celest apex
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celest apex
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I meant sticker

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Mb

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Well, if it has an Eternal Sticker, you can’t sell it

celest apex
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That's why it's op

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celest apex
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But it's still op

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celest apex
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Bc more jokers = better right?

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.w.

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mossy robin
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hi

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mossy robin
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I don't think it won't be useful for Anaglyph Deck

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mossy robin
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This is definitely not going to not get confusing real fast

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I definitely did not try to not make mistakes

solid raft
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Thanks to @opal socket, I now have a neat showcase menu for Jokers which I can use to take screenshots. Speaking of which, here's today's spoiler:

Wildheart
Each Wild card is also a Bonus Card (Swaps each round)

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Here's today's spoiler!

Jar of Teeth
Lose $1 per played card
Earn $12 when round ends

fast kindle
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I'm definitely keeping an eye on this mod

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Following yesterday, another thematic spoiler:

Broken Arm
Decrease level of played poker hand to earn $6

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And another one:

Wrapped Candy
When Blind is selected, gain +3 Discards (5 Rounds left)

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Who let the Dog out?

Dog
When you get a Joker, this Joker gains +10 Chips or +2 Mult

Can you guess the three references hidden in this Joker?

stone frigate
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I think I see 1, and that's the ||optical illusion dragon thing being used as the head of the dog, right?||

stone frigate
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I am so sorry lmao

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this thing I thought

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the illusion was that you couldn't tell what way the head was facing

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it kinda breaks once you first understand how it works lol (at least it did for me)

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maybe I'm crazy lol

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like a human mask

stone frigate
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that's a good one, yeah!

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I tested all the Blinds (except Chaos) in the new SMODS update and they seem to work. But let me know if it introduced some bug I didn't catch

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I'll fix Chaos in the upcoming new alpha release

rustic python
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i can make some joker art if you need

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rustic python
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Hmmm I like the clock

rustic python
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ty

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Here's today's spoiler.

Chimera
If played hand contains 3 or fewer cards, played cards are considered face cards and all suits

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I believe I have now all content and bugfixes I planned for this update, so I expect a new release this weekend.

tranquil ocean
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The loop blind can put you at negative current hands!

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I think I played against most boss blinds. I really enjoy how they force you to keep them in mind for the entire ante, because they're all a bit more of a puzzle to solve compared to the vanilla ones

tranquil ocean
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By winning the earlier loop on my final hand, I reckon,

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tranquil ocean
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The loop made me play 3 blinds. Started the third with 0 hands, yeah

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Rouge Ribbon

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-# I wanted to name it Lilac Loop or Lavender Loop but I think Cryptid has one with that exact name

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Anyways, I'll either try to solve it on my own or see how Myst did it

delicate merlin
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@upbeat cipher does champions belt use drawtsep?

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Right now I'm only using it for two Jokers so it's not scalable

delicate merlin
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I see

unreal galleon
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good morning chat

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what was never alive cannot die

flat night
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KILL IT AGAIN

unreal galleon
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nuh uh

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this chat is so alive:3

flat night
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me when i get lavender loop:

unreal galleon
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me when X2.5 Mult

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yk what

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i actually personally think it should give +1 Joker Slot

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so that you can always have it in your build

flat night
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the isaac one gives damage

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why shouldn't this one

unreal galleon
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if theres inf equipment slots then it makes even more sense to do so :3

clear hazel
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every balatro run is actually a tainted isaac run

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I like the design as is, although I could tweak the number

flat night
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I’m not convinced it’s too weak currently

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But if people give my that feedback I can tweak it

unreal galleon
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its not that its weak, its just that you are going against showdown blinds 😭

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I also have Champion, which might also need a numbers tweak (and maybe a reflavor)

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unreal galleon
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wha

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how

clear hazel
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tfw 5 verdant leaves in a row /silly /j

unreal galleon
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showdown blinds can easily fuck you up

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I think most of them are about as difficult as the average non-showdown Boss

unreal galleon
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verdant leaf, the one that scales the score requirement up insanely high

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Vessel and Leaf are the vanilla outliers

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Leaf a bit less

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But as a Blind you just run into

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It’s more impactful

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Among the modded ones

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Prion is definitely too strong currently

unreal galleon
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not to mention the fact you gotta account for modded showdown blinds too, which are usually much more dangerous to go against early on

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The others I think are balanced

unreal galleon
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whats prion

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Gold could be difficult if you’re relying on Base Chips

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unreal galleon
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ah

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# unreal galleon ah

It’s the Showdown version of the Worm, that makes Chips scale like High Card Chips

unreal galleon
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actually wait, what does that mean

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By the way, much like there’s Tyrian Patriarch, I want some thematic Showdown Boss Blinds for the other Kill 6 Billion Demon demiurges

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I’m thinking of one that caps your Chips to be equal to your money

unreal galleon
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thats brutal

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😭

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what if im in debt

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I want to keep Black Gold, maybe with a different effect, although that was the original effect I had planned for Black Gold

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At the time we didn’t have the technology

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But I think the technology is here now

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unreal galleon
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capping the mult is even more brutal since thats usually what players focus on

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šŸ’”

unreal galleon
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unreal galleon
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fair point

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unreal galleon
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i think its also not that bad, since you have small and big blinds to prepare some money for the blind too

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If I decide to implement it

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Maybe it could scale off money

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I also wanted some Bosses (non-showdown) that messed with the player’s money

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Like the Thief:

Steals your money
5…

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My next alpha release got delayed partially because I’m a bit lazy to wrap up the existing Jokers into a release but also because I’m complexity creeping it with Blinds

unreal galleon
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mmmm

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yeah i think blinds which fuck up ur money instead r also cool

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unreal galleon
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😭

mossy robin
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i should make this 0.25X

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And you talk about The Thief that allows you to recover your money back balatrojoker

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This Blind was already in the alpha, but I think I'll go with the original name I had for it since I didn't like Rouge Ribbon.

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Sorry for the delay on the update. The new Blind features dropped and I got distracted making new Blinds.

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Trying to make it work description-wise. I have yet to see if it's worth adding play-pattern-wise.
-# I might swap names with Black Gold, or maybe try and mix-and-match their effects if I find Golden Dragon lacking

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Both feel as clear as shit to me

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Seeing both options next to each other can make it hard to separate them from one’s mind

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The left one doesn’t clarify it’s not a real-time update, the right one that it looks at all cards

lost cypress
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What's the sell value referring to?

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-# I prefer to ask before responding

lost cypress
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Is it referring to the sum of joker sell values?

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or something else

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lost cypress
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My sleep-deprived opinion is probably of little value to you right now, so let me think about it for a bit

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Both are good options, I like the former more but 'm not sure why.

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Reimplementing an effect. It's still missing some safeguards and calculation integration, but so far this went faster than expected.

unreal galleon
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😭

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😭

solid raft
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armed and DANGEROUS

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Which alternative do you find clearer?

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When selected, +X0.5 Blind size per $1 of sell value

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But I don’t like that name so I went back to the original

fallen agate
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I’m trying to stick to ā€œ[color] [object]ā€ unless the Showdown Boss is a reference. Although I think most Showdown Bosses so far are references

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Rainbow Repeat?

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@upbeat cipher

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Still [color] [thing] naming...

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Rainbow isn’t a color balatrojoker

But I like the name Loop since I already have the non-Showdown Boss Blind names the Loop

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I was between ā€œLavenderā€ and ā€œLilacā€ but based on my research the color I chose is closer to Lavender

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Lime loop?

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I originally was going to go with a lighter shade but it didn’t look good to me

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But I’m not pressed to change it yet

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If more people complain the I can move to that

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Maybe ā€œLemon Loopā€

fallen agate
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fallen agate
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uh
[looks down]
maybe???

young abyss
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waow

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Victin's Collection [ALPHA] | 30 Jokers | 17 Blinds | New mechanics to come! šŸ‘€

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I think in the future I'll try to post more frequent messages here, and maybe release smaller updates. We'll see

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For now,

Terraforming
When round ends, transform your leftmost consumable into Earth

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It’s ||[REDACTED]||

sly heart
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alright fair enough

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sly heart
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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fallen agate
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silk edge
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butcher vanity mentioned šŸ’› ā¤ļø

clear hazel
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what where was butcher vanity mentioned

fallen agate
clear hazel
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holy peak

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Here's a few… fishy Jokers SAP_Fish_Pog

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Goldfish
When round ends, earn $1 for each poker hand of tier equal or lower than winning poker hand

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Clownfish
+2 Mult per level of all poker hands of lower tier
(Currently +0 Mult)

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Starfish
+3 levels to…

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In-game, Starfish provides a bit more clarifying text.

unreal galleon
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ooo, i like those wordings more

young otter
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seems lilke an interesting invisible sidegrade

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I’ve already tweaked the numbers on this, so it might change more before even the alpha release

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fast spruce
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could be fun as a common/uncommon

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gives you something to do in the early game and allows for decent deckfixing

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fast spruce
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it requires a decent amount of effort to get good value out of it though

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it's a fun idea though

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Yeah it’s tricky to use

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I think Common might also make it too easy to run into it again and again

fast spruce
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fair enough

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FYI Wrapped Candy is bugged—it doesn't properly remove itself

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I fixed it already, but I'll probably bundle it with the next release (it should be soon)

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There seems to be an issue with Stheno but it shouldn't impact non-Endless runs unless you have Champion's Belt.

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I got reports that Dagger doesn't work, but it works for me, and it works for some people, so for now I'm assuming it's not a bug with this mod

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@upbeat cipher apparently your mod disables debug mode, which makes debpugplus keybinds not work

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I have enough Jokers for an update so I should have a new release soon

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Ah very fair

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As a small preview of the next update, here's an upcoming Joker

Paranoia
If final hand of round doesn't contain a Pair, get a spectral card
(Must have room)

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Alright, I fixed every bug I had planned to for the next release. All it's missing is: 1) choosing a name for a Joker; and 2) releasing it.

-# although I might add or rework a few Blinds ^^' I haven't decided yet

hazy juniper
ivory rover
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which one

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we might hate the same one

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The one you have to do twice

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With no refresh

ivory rover
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ahh thats ok

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that being ive rerolled it everytime ive seen it

hazy juniper
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It's okay if you're doing well, if you're already struggling you're boned

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@hazy juniper

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Oh that was a serious question

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Idk I have not to like things that I don't like

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Fr though it's punishing as hell for a normal boss blind

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I mean it is Big Blind-sized

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I think it’s fair

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It's like a mix between the needle abs water, but harder than both of them combined. It's an easy run killer if you're not already doing well

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I think you're overstating how strong it is by comparing it to a mix of Needle and Water

hazy juniper
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I'm moving the effect of Black Gold to Golden Dragon, as it fits what I want Golden Dragon to be, and it's not as complicated as the old effect.

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Golden Dragon
Base Chips can't be greater than 50% of money

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God some of these blinds do not belong in white stake

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Now, Black Gold will instead be:

Black Gold
Debuffs Jokers with $5 sell value or more

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Please just add a toggle to disable all blinds from this mod

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-# by changing the number on the text

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I deadass might remove your mod then, sorry man but I can't with these

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Here's a new, upcoming Blind:

The Thief
Steals your money and escapes after 5 plays and/or discards

hazy juniper
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Ah yeah I just... always have my modpack a perfect mirror of my local mods. To the point where o just clear them out and copy from my modpabk repo to updaye

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@hazy juniper also what do you think of these three new Blinds

hazy juniper
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Yeah the original version was 4 and but I found it a bit too tight

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@old elm @tranquil ocean have you seen my new Blinds

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only the ones with text, haha

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your entering a cruel era

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I don’t think these are too bad

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😭

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5 times? 10 times?

old elm
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I can’t wait for this shit to fully drop man

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unreal galleon
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we

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venom

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hazy juniper
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I expect one today

raven forge
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syzygy mentioned

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instant download

raven forge
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how unstable is the dev branch?

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Not very in terms of playability, but you should stick to the alpha ^^’

fiery thorn
hazy juniper
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But anyways

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I have what I need for the update, I just need to package it into a release

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I mean the alpha because you recommend people stick to it

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I know the dev brach doesn't but changing what branch submofules pull from is a pita ngl

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I’ll try to make a release tomorrow

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Victin's Collection [ALPHA] | 45 Jokers | 20 Blinds | New mechanics to come! šŸ‘€

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New release! 15 new Jokers, 3 new Blinds, and 5 new Tags have been added!

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Some of the new Jokers even have art! And I updated some pre-existing Joker artworks

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A few of the new artworks by me!
-# Although Vector was referenced from CAIN by Abbadon. I've been thinking I should perhaps add an infobox of references to Jokers to make such things clear.

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And here's some of the artwork provided by other artists!

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Please let me know what you think!

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@hazy juniper here's your new release!

hazy juniper
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I'm not complaining or calling you out on it, it just seemed very familiar

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Actually maybe I didn't

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If I did I can't find it

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Though I did find a message of me commenting Garb's Joker was similar to mine

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KCVanilla also has this

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Yeah idk why it feels so fsnilisr

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I'm probably conflating multiple things

upbeat cipher
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Black Hole Jokers are a staple of Balatro mods at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if someone else came up with the same trigger

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Oh let me check Paperback

raven forge
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Though they do have something similar to Binary Star

raven forge
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And thanks for the artists who drew these beautiful pieces and allowed me to use them

humble salmon
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i simply did my business haha

hazy juniper
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Also I do like them a lot too

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Sorry for not leading with that

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hazy juniper
upbeat cipher
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I can't send the GIF of Humbleing Bundle for some reason

raven forge
hazy juniper
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But it's a Joker in this update which I had held back on developing for, among other reasons, having the same effect as one of Mika's Jokers

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raven forge
hazy juniper
raven forge
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tbf a few people said something against them, it's just him, and it's also understandable

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they also wanted to exclude some channels, i don't know which tho

hazy juniper
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At least ing doesn't make much sense here

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Where spam is not s big issue at least that sorta spam

raven forge
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huh

hazy juniper
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I'm stuck with enojis

raven forge
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oh i thought you hacked the matrix lol

hazy juniper
upbeat cipher
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well, not "only"

hazy juniper
upbeat cipher
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Sometimes I just wanna showcase the floating sprite

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And a GIF is lighter than a video

raven forge
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yeah i think banning them in all channels was bad but whatever, maybe they change it

humble salmon
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so you can make polls but not post gifs

hazy juniper
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Also I use stickers different than most discorders around here. Not the default animated ones or squsre menes

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old elm
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Omg this is so fire what the hell

warped summit
warped summit
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Yeah, I missed that

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I thought it was funny

raven forge
# raven forge
poll_question_text

imagine this was a gif

victor_answer_votes

3

total_votes

12

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@raven forge

raven forge
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yes i saw it

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very interesting result i have to say

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having fun with the mod so far, but The Spin is not working as intended i think

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because i can just see what it discarded on the deck screen

hazy juniper
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unlike ymany of our blinds they seem fun and fit well in a vanillia+ enviroment :P

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hazy juniper
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tbh none yet, I've been debugging my pack lots, playing it none

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also sick with a bad earache atm (swimmer's ear)

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hazy juniper
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thank you :3

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@raven forge was it you who made a PR

raven forge
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i.e. test if G.hand exists, rather than testing if we're in the main menu

raven forge
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uhmmmm, yeah that seems more logical in this case, you can close my PR then...i just had similar issues in some other mods and fixed it all in kinda the same way, since some didn't crash at G.hand

raven forge
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yes?

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Note to self: I want to buff Broken Arm to at least $7

raven forge
raven forge
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because it changes the deck view

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unreal plume
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Hello

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so in response to this

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maybe u could make a bunch of different effects a blind can gain when u "skip" it

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it is not visible to you immediately either (i think it might be too easy then?)

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so u get the tag, and get to have that blinds shop, but now instead of the downside being losing a shop its fighting a harder blind since you now have to deal with more "fog of war" since it is not immediately obvious what happened

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unreal plume
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i think that works really well

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give them a pack thats unskippable lol

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and they have to pick their poison

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i also like the idea of disenhancements

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unreal plume
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i wonder if u could force the player not to skip

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I’m still not sure if the Disenhancements should be applied randomly or not

unreal plume
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mm

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yea

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And other limitations

fast spruce
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...unhancement(????)

unreal plume
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like it should stand on the same level as skips

fast spruce
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oh unhancement is already used by unstable, huh

upbeat cipher
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I came up with the name a long time ago

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@unreal plume example

fast spruce
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oh that's cool

unreal plume
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the one thing i would like to suggest is that the question mark sometimes feels like its on the next card over

upbeat cipher
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And this is Me First!

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Though a very old implementation by Flowwey

upbeat cipher
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In the deck view it does seem confusing though

upbeat cipher
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Actually

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Are cards smaller in the deck view

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The position of the question mark seems different

unreal plume
upbeat cipher
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@pseudo loom I think you ran into a similar issue right

unreal plume
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cause for some reason, doing atlas with double size for stickers does not make it display at the same size as vanilla stickers

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it still displays at double size

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so i hooked some stuff in the rendering

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and when i hooked it

unreal plume
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it would be offset different depending on where the card was and its size

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i figured it out eventuallt

unreal plume
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maybe

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unreal plume
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i have to update smods and make sure it isnt fixed

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already

pseudo loom
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Changing card sizes just sucks in general

raven forge
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# raven forge

I'm inclined to think that crash isn't my fault. Creating cards is very a standard procedure.

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My guess is that the object type doesn't have a pool

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If that's the case, I think the solution should be for whomever added that object type to define a pool for it

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Alternatively, maybe it could be something that SMODS handles in SMODS.create_card if the pool is empty

upbeat cipher
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@charred lion since chat seems to be hectic, maybe here’s a good place to talk

charred lion
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alr

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well perhaps it could apply the effects of one of those cards randomly

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charred lion
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so like what are you trying to acheieve with the card

upbeat cipher
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Exactly, excellent question

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I did realize I need to think more about what the answer is

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This is one instance where I thought it would be a cool way to gain access to good but unreliable deckfixing

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But I didn’t think too hard about the specifics

charred lion
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hm

mossy prism
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one moment

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mossy prism
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I need to check what joker I got

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Also I’ll be right back

mossy prism
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its hard to tell since now it just straight up crashes when i go into the previous run
I do have a brief moment to screenshot so one moment

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any idea what this joker is

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afaik it increases a random hand level by 2 and decreases a hand level by 1

charred lion
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mossy prism
mossy prism
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When I selected a blind it crashed

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Actually

mossy prism
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oh god where do I start with that

upbeat cipher
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Can you copy the top of that crash message above

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That’s easier

mossy prism
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Alright one moment

upbeat cipher
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I meant in the chat

mossy prism
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I did

upbeat cipher
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I can’t open those in mobile

mossy prism
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oh

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A screenshot works too

mossy prism
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a moment

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god why is it constantly compressing itself into a message

upbeat cipher
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But what’s the crash message at the top

mossy prism
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Oh

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mossy prism
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aaaagh talisman >:(
of course it was

upbeat cipher
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@charred lion I don’t think these Jokers are complicated in terms of text, but I’ve been told that the complexity of the math behind them is outside of the vanilla scope

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mossy prism
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I see

charred lion
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you’d think it’d be hard to explain but the wording is totally understandable

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is the math for lvl ? death really that complex?

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I also don’t think Lvl. ? Death is that complex but I’ve had people try to tell me otherwise

charred lion
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charred lion
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charred lion
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played hand?

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charred lion
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ah

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that should probably be specified

charred lion
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that might help people figure out what tiers are faster

charred lion
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cause it implies something like ā€œpoker hand changes each roundā€

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charred lion
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charred lion
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tbh aside from the tiers none of the ideas seem too out there

charred lion
charred lion
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@charred lion I’ve also been told some of my Blinds are more ā€œpuzzl-yā€ than vanilla Blinds

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Tyrian Patriarch, Lavender Loop, and two or so other Blinds have tooltips in-game

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(I think in the release it’s only Tyrian Patriarch, Lavender Loop, The Mask, and Malachite Mask)

charred lion
charred lion
charred lion
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well thats definitely way out there

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also for the loop and patriarchy what does refresh mean in this context

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charred lion
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ah

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so it gives you the option to refresh?

upbeat cipher
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The Loop and Lavender Loop don’t

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Thus the Loop requires at least 2 hands to beat, and Lavender Loop requires at least 3

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Thinking about it, maybe I should add a condition to prevent them from spawning if you don’t have enough Hands

upbeat cipher
charred lion
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I feel like chaos would lead to many situations where you waste most of your hands/discards on finding a flush/straight

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these are finisher blinds right

upbeat cipher
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Against Chaos, you either need to find a Flush or a Straight or you need to power through your cards being debuffed regardless

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I find it difficult that a build can’t do any of these

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Kinda like the Plant

charred lion
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Showdowns are named like [COLOR] [NOUN]

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Normal Blinds are The [NOUN]

solid raft
charred lion
charred lion
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upbeat cipher
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I'm curious how people feel about this topic.

sly heart
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I would suggest packing the utility and the mod in the same zip files, or link it on your GitHub page

upbeat cipher
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If I could pack it into a single download, that would be better

covert raptor
#

with releases you can include a zip file
with just commits you'll have to have a link in your readme

upbeat cipher
covert raptor
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i mean
do you know how to make a zip file?

upbeat cipher
covert raptor
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when doing a release, you'd just make a zip file of both mods' folders
for commits between releases, i do think github has a way to link repos together but idk how it works so uh. look it up lol

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(releases automatically include a .zip and a .tar.gz of the entire repo, but you can add your own files such as a zip of preprepared mod folders)

cinder pivot
#

yeah you get that geckolib gurl. You GET that pehkui

upbeat cipher
median tundra
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so uh does your mod has a buch of placeholders or is it me messing up something

upbeat cipher
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See ā€œ[ALPHA]ā€

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The mechanics work though

median tundra
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balala

median tundra
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does it have any dependencies

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need*

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note that i crashed by rerolling the shop

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fr

upbeat cipher
upbeat cipher
upbeat cipher
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It might also be something in update šŸ¤”

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median tundra
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well i was playingnormally

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oop typo

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and i got bored

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installled your mod

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started a new run

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go to a shop

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reroll

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death ensues

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thats pretty much it

upbeat cipher
# median tundra reroll

If you just rerolled from a shop and it crashed, I’m inclined to think it’s an issue with another mod or SMODS

median tundra
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Idk, I'll have to look at it tmrw

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It's 0:42 and I have uni tmrw

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Eepy

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median tundra
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Heh

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??

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Is that french

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upbeat cipher
# upbeat cipher
poll_question_text

How would you feel if this mod required installing an utility mod to work?

victor_answer_votes

30

total_votes

38

victor_answer_id

1

victor_answer_text

"Downloading another mod is fine by me :3"

upbeat cipher
#

How does it look?

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Also, I have a concept for a new Sticker, but it might be similar to Temporary in that it's applied by effects

glad sapphire
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Is it safe to download from dev branch?

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@upbeat cipher

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glad sapphire
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Fair

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# glad sapphire Fair

I don't think it would crash but it might clutter pools with Jokers that don't do anything

glad sapphire
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Dw I took the release

upbeat cipher
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Let me know if you run into issues with the multistage Boss Blinds

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Part of the plan for the next update is to recreate them using Myst's BlindExpander

glad sapphire
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Sad, that blind really screwed me over

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(placeholder is slingshot)

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Btw is Growing Tree's art a placeholder too?

upbeat cipher
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the rest are a relic of when the top rightmost artwork of my atlas was the placeholder

glad sapphire
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Doesn't seem like this

upbeat cipher
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What do you the following wording does?

Prevents death and sets Hands to 1
(9 lives left)

raven forge
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raven forge
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it prevents

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the death

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and in the special case one would die from getting 0 hands, you get reset to 1 hands

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wait i'm dumb

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you 99% die from 0 hands

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(sorry i forgot most people's runs end with game over and not crash)

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raven forge
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you get another try

glad sapphire
#

Does it work like Mr.Bones or not?

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raven forge
# upbeat cipher šŸ¤”

okay, 1 hand left, you play and don't score enough -> you are now still at 1 hand and joker shows (8 lives left)

upbeat cipher
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IIRC this is the wording I have in the dev branch

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@raven forge Mr. Bones automatically wins the Blind with that wording

raven forge
#

oh

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# raven forge oh

I'm thinking of just writing "Prevents death" and changing Mr. Bones' wording

raven forge
#

no please not

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but then again

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you have that username for a reason xD

upbeat cipher
#

-# I've already changed some vanilla Jokers

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and no one commented on it yet

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:P

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raven forge
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vanilla wording hater

upbeat cipher
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Ah I thought you had changed your mind

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I'm willing to provide a setting to choose whether vanilla Jokers keep their wording or not but I'm not sure how to do it

covert raptor
covert raptor
upbeat cipher
upbeat cipher
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also I don't like that wording

covert raptor
# upbeat cipher I'm talking about vanilla Jokers not modded Jokers

yeah, put your rewording under j_jokerkey_alt, take ownership of the vanilla joker, and do something like

loc_vars = function (self, info_queue, card)
local key = self.key
if Victin.config.vanillarewrite --[[or whatever]] then
key = key.."_alt"
end
return {
 key = key
 vars = {
   --original vars go here again
  }
}
raven forge
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for some reason, this mods makes me unable to use debugplus

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like, the tab key and other keybinds just doesn't work anymore

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raven forge
upbeat cipher
raven forge
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ahhhh yeah sorry i messed something up

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should be fine now

raven forge
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the code around line 691

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happens when selecting any playing card

raven forge
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ignore this, i was using bignum in talisman

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raven forge
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glad sapphire
raven forge
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oh right makes sense xD

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raven forge
chilly wave
#

@upbeat cipher YOU

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YOU

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PLANET CARDS CRASH THE GAME

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DUE TO YOU!

upbeat cipher
#

huh?

chilly wave
#

it was you

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i figured it out

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FINALLY

upbeat cipher
#

I don't see anything that would indicate the issue from that report alone

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What were you doing?

chilly wave
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well i tested every mod it could be

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it was yours

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chilly wave
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uh

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using a planet card?

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(also uno cards do it too)

upbeat cipher
# chilly wave using a planet card?

I mean, unless you can be more specific, either on what you were doing, what part of the code caused the issue, or which other mod is at fault I don't know what I can do

chilly wave
#

no idfea otherwise

upbeat cipher
#

Maybe the new Planet level colors are part of the issue, but I'd need to at least be able to reproduce the error to fix it

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But it seems like a comparison error, so I'm guessing that's not the problem

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chilly wave
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when it stopped, it was yours

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so when i put all the mods in except yours

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it worked

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also i wasnt trying to be mean and another mod might be at fault but idk

upbeat cipher
#

If you find a half that doesn’t work, split that half into halves and repeat

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old elm
#

Update when

upbeat cipher
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I want to get back to working on the mod

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This month I was busy

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Hopefully it'll clear up (though I also know I'll be busier come later months)

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old elm
ivory rover
#

THANK YOU

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I THOUGHT IT WAS CRYPTID

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FLARK YOU VICTIN (Dont say this to him or ill skin you)

upbeat cipher
#

But I’m still not sure what’s the cause of the problem, or if it’s even my mod that’s the issue

upbeat cipher
#

😭

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-# bump

coral hazel
#

I'mma test this

upbeat cipher
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Not spoilers of upcoming content necessarily, but some ideas I'm considering

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Letter Opener
Leftmost Booster Pack each shop is free
and
Planetarium
+2 Planets in Celestial Packs

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#

Planetarium in action

sly heart
#

this peaks

sleek acorn
#

Victin, how did you get the card with nine soul layers to also get the edition shaders?

upbeat cipher
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You have to manually apply the Shaders, as other people have done. The code should be on GitHub

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If it interests you, I think it’s worth commenting on the SMODS server so maybe someone can make it into a feature

sleek acorn
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ah, makes sense. I’ll poke at your code again. I didn’t know if there was some shortcut I was forgetting
-# tbh I forgot that you can manually put shaders on the soul layer. Even though Hologram does it

sleek acorn
upbeat cipher
#

For example my Negative is probably still wrong

sleek acorn
#

there’s no ā€œdetect edition, and apply that shader to the soul layer(s)ā€ generic function, I assume?

sleek acorn
upbeat cipher
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sleek acorn
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Paranoia
If final hand of round doesn't contain a Pair, get a Spectral card
(Must have room)

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I don't think I had shared a video of Paranoia before, although I did share the art

rancid sky
#

Hi, you still working on this?

upbeat cipher
rancid sky
upbeat cipher
rancid sky
#

Thanks a lot, my phone was not scrolling up

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rancid sky
#

I just needed to restart my phone I feel silly

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rancid sky
#

I just downloaded your mod

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rancid sky
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rancid sky
#

Thank you

rancid sky
rancid sky
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However other jokers land gaslamp and skycrapper just not that useful

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I tell you what incredibly useful, the dog!!

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94 mult and 300 extra chips, just insanity

upbeat cipher
upbeat cipher
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I think Skyscraper isn’t as bad per se, though maybe there’s not enough support to make leaning on it worth modifying your deck for. I’ll consider bumping up the numbers and maybe if it could have a good Joker combo

rancid sky
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Absolutely, enjoy playing your mod. Ya once there more synergy I can really see those Joker shining and getting their full potential

glad mist
#

seems pretty neat

vivid moss
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wiw oeaj nid

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wow that was so bad how did i fucked up that hard

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anyway

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wow peak mod