Reapplying passive joker effects with Crimson Heart debuff

[warm mason]

This is the video that I just saw today - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnygT18_6ds

It doesn't fully explain it, but the bug allows you to:

1. Repeatedly apply effect of when you get the joker (add_to_deck()).
2. Repeatedly apply effect of when you lose the joker (remove_from_deck()).

Affected jokers:
Turtle Bean, Troubadour, Stuntman, Merry Andy, Drunkard and Juggler.

How to:

1. Find any of the jokers that apply effect when added/removed from the deck. I will use Bean in this example, so it's easier to track.
2. Enter Crimson heart boss with at least 2 jokers (only 1 needs to be from the list above, but you can also have 2). If you have more than 2 jokers, it is preferred that you sell until you only have 2. This way it will be easier to target debuffs. Following explanation assumes you only have 2 jokers.
3. Now there's 2 options

-- Reapply effects of when joker is received add_to_deck()
a.1 If Bean is debuffed right away you proceed to the next step. Play a hand to make boss debuff Bean.
a.2 Go to Main menu, then Continue the run. You will see that hand size increased, this action applied add_to_deck() effect (you get +5 hand size).
a.3 Play 2 hands (so Bean is debuffed again), then repeat step a.2

-- Reapply effects of selling/losing the joker remove_from_deck()
b.1 Play a hand so that Bean gets debuffed. If bean was already debuffed then you don't need to do that. Then play another hand so that it removes debuff from Bean.
b.2 Go to Main menu, then Continue the run. This will apply remove_from_deck() effect (-5 hand size).
b.3 Play 2 hands (so first hand will debuff Bean, then you debuff another joker). Repeat step b.2

https://youtu.be/Pnu4kzEC8Rw (First part of the video shows remove_from_deck(), then 2nd part add_to_deck())

Possibilities (unrelated to the bug report, for those willing to test the extents of this bug):
So the main idea is that you want to do the add_to_deck() glitch for positive effects (e.g. Bean), and remove_from_deck() for negative effects (Stuntman, for +2 hand size when removed from deck).

Discards will RESET when you quit to shop! Only hand size can be increased permanently with this.

You can also combine remove_from_deck() and add_to_deck() glitches! https://youtu.be/VPg50gfbXFc

[warm mason]

Reapplying passive joker effects with Crimson Heart debuff

[uncut saddle]

this is my honest reaction

[minor edge]

Sadly troubadour doesnt work with the hands

and burglars star of round

[cobalt linden]

yeah its only passive handsize effects which are perm

[minor edge]

And discards

with merry andy

and drunkard

Actually wait @warm mason can we get negative discards?

Ig Ill test it

Nope

the max is 0, which is also funny

[warm mason]

you can gain discards but its meaningless once you clear the boss blind

[minor edge]

D: oh

[warm mason]

it is very "limited" in what you can do, but even just hand size increase is very potent, allowing you to use a bunch of ectos.

[warm mason]

Another junky behaviour is that you can turn crimson heart into the serpent at home by having 2 beans:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1235990629863919667/1344032923321372763/02-25_21-45-03.mp4?ex=67bf6fb3&is=67be1e33&hm=8d5bba9f818841363b9a892032816d6566433408e8e2cbd6824f785459c8039e&

[opaque wedge]

I never thought, out of all of the jokers, bean would be the most broken

[minor edge]

I mean technically false

Mr bones is still the strongest because of SUaS

Coffee strats are just more consistent

[warm mason]

only consistent for ante 16. it is pretty inconsistent to both have the bean and crimson heart boss in ante 8

[minor edge]

I mean SUAS is just rlly inconsistent

[warm mason]

I guess on set seed bean is more consistent than suas

[minor edge]

I mean once you do SUAS once the setup to do it again is basically already set up

And you get money from it allowing to search for the Mrbones again

[next karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhaQILuY2TA bu picked it up

he really said thank you to discord user stupid 😭

out of context that sounds so bad

[warm mason]

[minor edge]

I didnt know rebate didnt work with red seals

Ig it makes sense in retrospect though

[warm mason]

thunk actually wanted to make them work with discards

but that never happened, for whatever reason

maybe forgot, maybe balance reasons

[minor edge]

Thats fair Ig

After all mail and rebate is rlly strong

[cobalt linden]

discard effects working with red seals would be pretty fun

[minor edge]

It would make Drspectreds run actually have HtR be good

[next karma]

no give me this so i can get 250 dollars per discard and not just 125

[minor edge]

Real

[fallow hazel]

i like bean bug (this has taken 7 hours)

[minor edge]

Coffee strats 🙂

[fallow hazel]

im goin for max money then gonna reroll it all down on a39

[minor edge]

Nice

[fallow hazel]

went further and got to 149 handsize at the end

[minor edge]

Dangggg

Obviously modded to ignore the deathwall but still insane

[fallow hazel]

Yea just talisman and I could've gone further and kept like 5 bp but I wanted to end it

[minor edge]

Thats fair

[sage finch]

Hey yall

I think stencil naneinf is possible with this bug

[cobalt linden]

It just isnt

[sage finch]

?

[cobalt linden]

you need 3241 handsize for stencil to naneinf more than once

stencil naneinf once is possible WITHOUT this bug

[sage finch]

Not with that attitude

[cobalt linden]

You'd need to play 926 hands against crimson heart

that just isn't happening

[sage finch]

I know I’m just messing around 😭

[minor edge]

Why would stencil naneinf be your first thought

It doesnt help stencil, it helps baron and mimes

[long dagger]

Maybe he’s thinking in another dimension about it

[minor edge]

What does that even mean

[long dagger]

Just to make sure, this bug works with both chicot and bean or only bean? Follow up, what about troubadour?

[minor edge]

Only bean

[long dagger]

Oh right, the Chicot thing is with the manacle

[minor edge]

Trobadour only works to increase handsize, but beans better

[long dagger]

I forgor

Yea beans a nice +5

I just got Chicot and bean on an unseeded run in ante 3

[minor edge]

The only 2 are bean and technically merry andy but merry andy isnt permanent

[long dagger]

I’m personally really happy bugs like this are in the game, really freshens stuff up and I’m glad the devs are slow to patch stuff so I can have fun with my silly hand size

[cobalt linden]

it would be a bad decision to patch it anyway

same with chicot bug

because it's fun and doesn't affect main game balance

[minor edge]

And SUAS

[cobalt linden]

mhm

[long dagger]

I guess not

But for the future it should be considered

Whenever public stats become a thing

[next karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee3Th_aGAls

sorry i just have to post this

everytime balatro university refers to @warm mason he says it in the funniest way

[warm mason]

[minor edge]

[sage finch]

It would’ve been possible

[minor edge]

Its already possible and doesnt improve with this

[sage finch]

I don’t believe you?

[minor edge]

What dont you believe

Drspectred has a video of stencil Naneinf

[sage finch]

I still don’t think it’s possible unseeded?

[minor edge]

I mean it is very possible, you just need an early perkeo and cash gain

[sage finch]

WAIT

I CANT READ

[minor edge]

Alrighty then

[sage finch]

Maybe?

So how do you you get like 89 stencils?

[minor edge]

Ankh ectoplasm eternal stencil

[sage finch]

That’s booty

You can’t play nothin

[minor edge]

You can play 1 hand

And thats all it takes

[sage finch]

Unless ankh copies negative

[sage finch]

Oh

[minor edge]

Watch the drspectred video if you want to actually see how it works

Its pretty cool