the filesize is small enough, I think it depends on if these consoles can run the program
#Can we run Balatro on the Nintendo 3DS/Wii?
blazing mango
heady ether
you'd probably need to port it or make some sort of wrapper that runs LOVE2d, kinda like what supported consoles do
full axle
https://lovebrew.org/ ? would this work
lucid shell
now im kinda curious about if this would work
topaz timber
Seems like Lovebrew as quite a few missing functions
love.graphics.setShader being one example that I think is used quite a bit haha
topaz timber
So on a technical level it might be possible, but there definitely are quite a few things missing from what I can tell which could end up causing the game to either not run as a whole, or with missing features (namely shaders for one)
lucid shell
you don't know if you don't try 
coral abyss
this seems interesting
topaz timber
you don't know if you don't try <:guiguishrug:1164120349508640788>
Well that's what I did 😛
managed to get to a point where it output some errors on the 3ds at least
the annoying part is having to modify files, rebuild, put onto SD card, reboot 3ds, try out, repeat
topaz timber
I don't know what about that message is breaking rule 1 but sure
coral abyss
no lol
topaz timber
well in that case I guess this thread should be closed 
lucid shell
oh well 
topaz timber
(Though I have no idea what the dev's thoughts on a 3DS port would be in general - as in, if it's a different story with porting it to a actively maintaned console vs. an older one etc. etc.)
coral abyss
yea no I'm just saying be wary that this could be taking down by local thunk
lucid shell
yeah, it's like. the 3DS is dead from nintendo's point of view so it's more of a novelty than anything
topaz timber
Well I can say the progress bar is filling up on the top screen now but it then crashes into a cool stack dump
wicked sorrel
Somone was working on 3DS a while back
I was messing with Wii U personally but didn't really get anywhere
topaz timber
I can't even get this setup working in Citra
I have to run it on my 3ds haha
like, in Citra it doesnt even boot
would make this so much easier though
though I have to say... a 3ds port together with the mod to allow mobile-like dragging of cards could be neat
but it would also mean a rework of the ui so you can have non-interactable info at the top
like the chips and mult
and also the info about the current blind
fallow carbon
Hey there
topaz timber
Not sure what you used several months ago for getting the main menu working but I've dabbled in it as well today with LovePotion
Had to comment a few things out (namely shaders) and adjust a few things (e.g. downscale the textures so they fit into 1024x format, plus for now just use the "standard" font the 3DS has)
and now i got to a point where it... just crashes the 3DS outright after the loading screen haha
topaz timber
Yeah it fails on my end after the "Loading localization" part
Also yeah, the performance is... oof haha
fallow carbon
I also "got into the game"
fallow carbon
I also "got into the game"
(this video has been taken before the weird overlay was removed)
fallow carbon
Had to comment a few things out (namely shaders) and adjust a few things (e.g. d...
By what factor have you downscaled the textures
fallow carbon
I think you ran out of VRAM
topaz timber
Oh hmm yeah the 3DS doesn't really have a lot hah
fallow carbon
The problem is that all of the textures are cached during the loading of the game
I downscaled the textures by factor of 2 to get the game to boot
fallow carbon
The problem is that all of the textures are cached during the loading of the gam...
This fills a large portion of the VRAM
topaz timber
hmm downscaled them by a b it more now and its still crashing with the same error hah
fallow carbon
Oh hmm yeah the 3DS doesn't really have a lot hah
O3DS: 6MB VRAM
N3DS: 10MB VRAM
fallow carbon
hmm downscaled them by a b it more now and its still crashing with the same erro...
That's weird I'd try GDB then.
topaz timber
gdb? 
fallow carbon
Gnu Debugger you can install it by following instructions in the development section of LovePotion (by installing devkitPro)
Btw have you removed all of the unsupported calls like setNewFont
topaz timber
Yeah with those it showed the error on the top screen
As in, actual Love2D / game error, not the system crash
fallow carbon
Btw have you removed the custom error handler?
topaz timber
Nope
fallow carbon
It won't help you with system crash but the default error handler is better for debugging game crashes
topaz timber
I doubt that'd help me with the system crash right now heh
but yeah, I have console enabled so it waits for a remote connection anyway before it runs
So itd probably throw errors in the command prompt / python script now
error handler removed, still takes a long while on "Loading: localization" and after that goes black and runs into the system crash
fallow carbon
I really don't know what causes the system crash it's hard to tell without stack trace
topaz timber
yea...
does feel like it's crashing in the localization section, so load_profile, set_render_settings, set_language or init_item_prototypes probably
fallow carbon
Have you changed the resolution of the tiles in the tilesheets table
fallow carbon
game.lua
It's where all of the textures are loaded
topaz timber
nope, not adjusted that yet
honestly, i dont think ill continue this experiment further haha - even if it would end up being rendered properly and whatnot, I feel the performance will be very lackluster and the only thing itd give is a "made it work" achievement 😛
fallow carbon
Still I doubt that's it
fallow carbon
honestly, i dont think ill continue this experiment further haha - even if it wo...
And you would have to defeat the beast of getting the gameplay to render (that's where I'm stuck at. And you'd have to rewrite a pretty big part of the game to fix that crash)
topaz timber
at which point I think remaking the game from scratch would probably be easier lol
fallow carbon
It might be
topaz timber
https://github.com/Rinnegatamante/lpp-3ds there's this as well but that'd require a lot of refactoring of the game code
but yeah, idk
If you do ever manage to get it working I'll tip my hat to you haha
This was a nice dabbling on the side experiment for me but I really need to focus on all my other projects 
fallow carbon
I'll return to this project after graduation and after having confirmation of being accepted to uni
topaz timber
best of luck with graduation and uni! 😄
fallow carbon
Thanks
wicked sorrel
for the crash handler see if you can put the steamodded one in there
I belive it should be reisliant enough to run without steamodded
if not let me know I have a version that for sure works without it but doesn't have all the features
might be nicer to have
junior tulip
I've got a modded n3ds laying around
If you need more testers
Alright boys balatro on psp
coral abyss
I also have a new 2ds xl if you need someone to test
agile jolt
i also have a new 2ds xl if you need someone to test
wicked sorrel
I also have a new 2ds xl if you need someone to test
glossy island
Me 4
lucid shell
i wish there was any way i could be helpful aa
coral abyss
i wish there was any way i could be helpful aa
do you also have a new 2ds xl
lucid shell
i have a new 3ds xl
fervent laurel
i also have nothing if you need nobody to test
wicked sorrel
I have a Wii U if you want to test
glossy island
I have a Wii U if you want to test
normal fulcrum
I have a PSVita if you want to test
night loom
@topaz timber fancy meeting you here
topaz timber
<@66214870705516544> fancy meeting you here
ofc
coral abyss
I have a game boy colour if you want to test
blazing mango
I am so proud of this community
junior tulip
Wonder if I could get this running on my PSP?
With the PSP port of love2d
Been so long since I've compiled a homebrew application tho
junior tulip
I'm sure the dev is fine with homebrew ports as long as you have players provide their own copy of the game
topaz timber
I'd add to it that porting it for older consoles that are EOL is probably the only way as well
not any new ones yknow
junior tulip
You could work around by using asserts
topaz timber
Then again... Seeing as the game is on phones and Switch... that pretty much takes care of new platforms I feel haha
junior tulip
And ppl have to grab their own Lua files from their own copy of the game
It's not hard since it's just as simple as using 7zip
topaz timber
It's sadly not a simple plug-and-play onto another console just by using the lua files the main game provides
junior tulip
Hmmm
Wonder if it be possible to create a patcher that modifies what needs to be modified to be moved to a homebrew port of it
Cause I get why the dev doesn't want different ports of the game
Which is how the game is developed
There's probably away to do it without ports turning into a copy-paste job of their game
junior tulip
I always like games running on different hardware as homebrew always interesting to push limits of old hardward
I feel like this could work
Just a matter of finding a way to require a copy of the game
And get the files urself
So it's not just a copy paste of the game to another platform
restive kettle
yeah its very cool
blazing mango
Just gonna drop this DS (not 3DS) concept art for balatro someone on tumblr made
topaz timber
Yeah you'd have to work with very low resolution images AND a far smaller screen size
junior tulip
Just gonna drop this DS (not 3DS) concept art for balatro [someone on tumblr](ht...
I doubt the ds can handle balatro
Balatro maybe a simple game but it still has stuff that maybe too complicated for the ds without seriously downgrading the he game
blazing mango
oh yeah for sure, this is more for ideas in terms of ui
lucid shell
yeah
the main issue will likely be in how we'd then distribute it, because this would require a lot of patching
agile jolt
if it can get mods running, we could use that downscaler mod to make the resolution smaller?
potatatro is it
mortal trench
Potatro*
junior tulip
the main issue will likely be in how we'd then distribute it, because this would...
Depends on how things are done if it's lines of code probably make a python script that auto patches the Lua files from the base game
The downscaling of the sprites shouldn't be difficult either
topaz timber
Python script or just a git diff like it was made for the mobile dragging mod
junior tulip
Probably require someone to build it themselves
Like mario64 ports do with ROM requirements
topaz timber
Well yeah - they'd start with the base game files (extract the .exe), then apply the patch in that folder, then move those files into the folder, then build it some way
Then again, the LovePotion build for 3DS seems to be able to load the game files from a subfolder
lucid shell
mhm
wicked sorrel
Yeah just distributing patches would make sense
lucid shell
in the meantime im porting another love2d game (mari0, luckily it's opensource so no legal issues there) just to get a bit more practice of porting love2d games
rocky grove
I also have a new 2ds xl if you need someone to test
lucid shell
ngl at this point im wondering if it'd be easier to just make a whole 3ds fangame 😭
junior tulip
Well the c64 project of balatro just got DMCA'd
So I guess their stance on balatro ports is final even if it's an original homebrew port completely different from the official game
coral abyss
So I guess their stance on balatro ports is final even if it's an original homeb...
i think it was because that was too close to the original and playstack wasnt getting any money off of it
i feel as though this could very easily be solved by either never making it public or requiring the original game files to run
junior tulip
i feel as though this could very easily be solved by either never making it publ...
it was written in a different language
assembly i believe is what c64 uses?
coral abyss
that does not mean anything
coral abyss
if i remade balatro 1:1 in roblox would that get taken down?
junior tulip
probably
junior tulip
Pulling a nintendo does leave a sour taste in ppl's mouth's tho
considering it was a well made homebrew for hardware that old
lucid shell
damn, we cooked :(
junior tulip
I'd assume it's the publisher not wanting competition
And not a dev decision
Even tho it wasn't really competition
lucid shell
yea but. still
coral abyss
I'd assume it's the publisher not wanting competition
moreso they don't want people playing their game without paying
cedar thorn
I have a wii u as well lmao 
sonic cairn
if i remade balatro 1:1 in roblox would that get taken down?
That does exist
I have seen it survive for a few days now
coral abyss
yes that was why i was using it as an example
sonic cairn
Ok
random isle
Running it with my New 3DS, too bad there's no sound but it's playable.
Just don't press the Start button or it will crash.
junior tulip
Running it with my New 3DS, too bad there's no sound but it's playable.
Is it running in 3ds or nds mode?
Doesn't really do anything for a 3ds port if it runs in the nds sandbox
random isle
MicroLua has a version for 3DS, but since it's still an .nds file, i'm launching it from Twilight Menu++
junior tulip
Thing is there's a native port of the engine that runs balatro for the 3ds
This seems like a ground up recreation
Similar to the c64 version
Right now looks like the current goal is running the actual game on the 3ds
In some way that requires you to get the assets from a copy of the game you own
So it can coexist with the actual game and not get DMCA'd for being a carbon copy
lucid shell
yeah that's the goal
full axle
Do mods run on switch? I can't find any threads about it
cedar thorn
No
tight burrow
-# not to be that guy but uhhhh fyi rule 1 is a thing
that rule doesn't really apply anymore tho iirc
the rules are pretty outdated
from my understanding the rule is to not directly share the source code of the game
If you needed the original game to compile this version instead of it being directly shared I think it would be fine
half rune
Hey y’all, is this still a project being worked on? I was literally thinking of this today.
half rune
https://youtu.be/yCMX80N5OZU
More specifically, trying to run the base game on 3ds. Not this port.