INVERSION: Negative Playing Cards (Version 2) | Balatro | Page 1

opal crown Jan 11, 2025, 11:40 PM

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Inversion is a simple mod that implements ways to get negative playing cards into Balatro. The functionality of negative playing cards is provided by Steamodded itself, this mod only does the following:

Standard packs now can contain Negative playing cards (same likelyhood as negative jokers; this effectively halves the chance for Polychrome cards, as normally Polychrome takes the Negative chance)
Adds 1 new Spectral card, "Inversion", which adds the Negative effect to 1 selected card.

Latest download: #1327784267698409564 message

vagrant escarp Jan 11, 2025, 11:43 PM

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There should be a downside to the spectral card, because negative playing cards can be really powerful

opal crown Jan 11, 2025, 11:44 PM

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possibly

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id have to brainstorm a fair downside

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then again red seals can also be really powerful and deja vu doesnt have a downside

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idk if i think of something i might implement it as a toggleable option

trail frost Jan 11, 2025, 11:47 PM

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are negative playing cards always drawn? or if its drawn it just lets another card take its spot

opal crown Jan 11, 2025, 11:47 PM

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yeah it effectively doesn't take space in yout hand

trail frost Jan 11, 2025, 11:48 PM

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ah ok

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i dont think it really needs a massive downside because red seals are also really strong

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maybe it also inverts the rank of the card? i dunno if thats a downside

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ie ace -> 2
king -> 3
queen -> 4

opal crown Jan 11, 2025, 11:49 PM

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i feel like that could be more helpful than anything

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if youre building around like kings youd just use it on a 3

trail frost Jan 11, 2025, 11:51 PM

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opal crown if youre building around like kings youd just use it on a 3

unless you can get an inversion really early in a run your stockpile of kings will be moot when you get an inversion

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the card looks really really cool btw good work on taht

opal crown Jan 11, 2025, 11:51 PM

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thank you puffheart

trail frost Jan 11, 2025, 11:53 PM

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yeah no i think the inversion of rank is annoying enough to where its like. "balanced"

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its most useful around queens or kings obviously

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spectral packs are rare so itll be tough to get an inversion from a spectral pack

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and when you do you have to restart the whole steeling and red sealing

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unless you have a steel red seal 3 that you pull from hand

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yeah the more i think about it, getting a strong negative is really really difficult

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youd need to pull it from shop if youre using that one deck, or get lucky by getting a 3 when you buy it from spectral pack

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or get lucky from a card booster pack

vagrant escarp Jan 12, 2025, 12:03 AM

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Maybe it would be good enough to make it 1 random card rather than 1 selected card

cyan solar Jan 12, 2025, 12:35 AM

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does the mod have configs? id like to be able to turn off negative cards in packs and just keep the new spectral card

opal crown Jan 12, 2025, 12:35 AM

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it doesn't currently but i will look into making that!

cyan solar Jan 12, 2025, 12:36 AM

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awesome

restive fern Jan 12, 2025, 9:40 AM

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opal crown Inversion is a simple mod that implements ways to get negative playing cards int...

THANK YOU SOOO MUCH

glossy stirrup Jan 12, 2025, 10:16 AM

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vagrant escarp There should be a downside to the spectral card, because negative playing cards ...

I personally don't think it needs a downside. It's basically akin to the seal spectrals or aura. An I feel it's akin to Aura, cause unlike the other editions, negative doesn't make your played hand stronger, it just makes it easier to play hands since you draw more cards, but the negative card itself ends up being weaker than other editions when played

opal crown Jan 12, 2025, 3:29 PM

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it only becomes really powerful with stuff like steels and baron i think, but the same can be said for red seals

opal crown Jan 12, 2025, 6:34 PM

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New version! Includes two config options:

Toggle negatives appearing in Standard packs
Toggle if Inversion lets you pick the target or if it chooses a target randomly

📎 Inversion.zip

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INVERSION: Negative Playing Cards (Version 2)

glossy stirrup Jan 12, 2025, 6:39 PM

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Yea that's definitely a fair enough downside even if I don't think it needs it
Big respect for making them configurable

restive fern Jan 12, 2025, 7:20 PM

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opal crown New version! Includes two config options: * Toggle negatives appearing in Standa...

Im using it in my modpack and it says it misses dependies

opal crown Jan 12, 2025, 7:20 PM

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you have both lovely and steammodded?

restive fern Jan 12, 2025, 7:21 PM

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Yes

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I also have cryptid in my modpack

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Maybe its what causing conflict

opal crown Jan 12, 2025, 7:22 PM

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maybe check your version? those are the only two dependancies it calls for

restive fern Jan 12, 2025, 7:22 PM

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Cuz cryptid also has its own steammodded

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Maybe you wrote something wrong?

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Wait i gonna check something

restive fern Jan 12, 2025, 7:24 PM

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opal crown maybe check your version? those are the only two dependancies it calls for

What file it is

opal crown Jan 12, 2025, 7:24 PM

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inversion.json

restive fern Jan 12, 2025, 7:27 PM

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opal crown inversion.json

Okay i realised what happened

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You miswrote steammodded

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You wrote it as steamodded

opal crown Jan 12, 2025, 7:28 PM

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no thats correct

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restive fern Jan 12, 2025, 7:30 PM

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Oooh ok

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Still

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Whatever you wrote, game doesn't understands, i advise you to just remove that line

opal crown Jan 12, 2025, 7:31 PM

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can i see your crash log

restive fern Jan 12, 2025, 7:32 PM

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Game doesn't crashes

opal crown Jan 12, 2025, 7:32 PM

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oh right

restive fern Jan 12, 2025, 7:33 PM

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Game just says that mod misses dependies, and when i removed that line, mod started to work properly

opal crown Jan 12, 2025, 7:33 PM

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weird

toxic iron Jan 13, 2025, 2:28 AM

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Does this mod mess with post round triggers? My negative cards dont seem to trigger post round

opal crown Jan 13, 2025, 2:36 AM

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it shouldn't - all the mod does is add ways for negative cards to be obtained; the actual functionality for them is from steamodded itself

toxic iron Jan 13, 2025, 2:40 AM

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i have a really tiny mod list and im getting a strange bug where post round cards aren't triggering properly

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ill try disabling other things

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for some reason saturn was doing that

toxic iron Jan 13, 2025, 8:32 PM

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I really like negative cards but they definitely are busted if you have a little setup. I did a Barron mime run with three ecto and a tiny hand size but still had 50+ cards in hand. Maybe the negative card should also prevent seals on cards?

glossy stirrup Jan 14, 2025, 3:32 AM

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I mean

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You just got a broken run that could've been done even without negative cards if you were able to get that many negatives to begin with

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And three ecto

toxic iron Jan 14, 2025, 3:38 AM

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the negatives allow extra ecto but I really like it being busted but feeling vanilla

glossy stirrup Jan 14, 2025, 3:39 AM

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I mean, tbf that's why there's now the downside that it's random which card gets negative

toxic iron Jan 14, 2025, 6:18 AM

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yes thats a good balance change

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got another barron mime run going lol

opal crown Jan 14, 2025, 6:22 AM

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how do you get two runs like this so close together 😭

toxic iron Jan 14, 2025, 6:39 AM

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LUCK

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also red seal negetive gold cards are busted XD

opal crown Jan 14, 2025, 6:40 AM

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i get that in this context they are really really strong but most runs will not look like this lol

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its rare that i even get a negative card in most runs

toxic iron Jan 14, 2025, 6:41 AM

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im using card sleeves too which let me "double up" on the ghost deck so I get 2x spectral cards

opal crown Jan 14, 2025, 6:42 AM

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yeah thatll do it lol

toxic iron Jan 14, 2025, 6:42 AM

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I like the vanilla feel but with busted stuff and this is perfect for it

opal crown Jan 14, 2025, 6:43 AM

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next i will add foil consumables troll

toxic iron Jan 14, 2025, 6:43 AM

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if only saturn is working than it would be perfect

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one of jens mods does that to planets

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i just put it in

fringe pecan Jan 14, 2025, 6:44 AM

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Negative Netagive Tag when

toxic iron Jan 14, 2025, 6:44 AM

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it applies the effects to the hand level

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pretty sweety

restive fern Jan 15, 2025, 3:22 PM

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@opal crown hi ur mod is absolutely awesome

opal crown Jan 15, 2025, 4:48 PM

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lol i appreciate it

lean forum Mar 4, 2025, 3:49 PM

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opal crown id have to brainstorm a fair downside

How about destroying other cards like immolate? pick a card to turn negative and destroy some random ones

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also great mod btw

opal crown Mar 4, 2025, 4:10 PM

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the thing is that destroying cards is often more helpful than it is a hindrance lol

lean forum Mar 4, 2025, 4:51 PM

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opal crown the thing is that destroying cards is often more helpful than it is a hindrance ...

i mean immolate gives you 20 dollars, and plus i think it makes it a bit harder to overuse the spectral

opal crown Mar 4, 2025, 6:01 PM

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yeah and immolate is a stupidly good card

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i don't think balancing to immolate is a good idea

grand junco Apr 1, 2025, 10:32 AM

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@opal crown i had NO idea you mad e amod like this lmfao. I also was working on a way on getting neg playing cards in the game, Heres what I came up with if you wanted some ideas, I also brainstormed a way to make a negative making spectral card with a downside

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This is my joker. based on a buddy of mine obvs

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this was the spectral

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i found this mod while trying to tackle how to work negatives into standard packs, Thanks for being the genuius to figure that out! Im still pretty new to this whole modding thing

opal crown Apr 1, 2025, 2:46 PM

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awesome!

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i ended up liking the random target for the card, i think that balances out pretty well so i play with that config enabled

vale thorn Apr 1, 2025, 2:53 PM

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Will definitely check this one, also ngl I like the inverting rank idea, sure it's functionally the same as no downside but I think it's fun and fitting

opal crown Apr 1, 2025, 2:54 PM

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its interesting but then what does it do to modded ranks

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i dont play with any myself but id still like it to work with them

vale thorn Apr 1, 2025, 3:52 PM

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Mmm unsure how it works code wise, but if you could get a list or array of all possible ranks then you could just take the position of the current rank and find the Nth position starting from the end

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But I don't know how ranks are stored in the code so

grand junco Apr 2, 2025, 12:09 AM

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opal crown i ended up liking the random target for the card, i think that balances out pret...

Clean!

I ran a run yesterday with Ghost. It’s Ridiculous.

Negative playing cards are executed pretty well, but there’s genuinely a crazy power vortex with negative golds or negative steels

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I obtained a negative king through a standard pack, and then made him a red seal gold king with deja vu and devil, picked up a perkeo, and started ripping deaths and Cryptids

Eventually, I could draw literally my entire hand to my deck… like it was all just negative gold red seals

Eventually, I turned a couple of the steel and I hit naninf with 3 blueprints, a brainstorm and mime and baron at ante like 13 lol.

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This has been brought up before so I won’t circle jerk but maybe we should figure out a way to make negative cards slightly more balanced towards actually playing them

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Like they’re nice if you just need to draw more cards to your hand to get like a straight flush or some difficult hand

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But the second you start making them, steel, or gold, hell you don’t even really need a baron or mime. And once you’re entire deck is basically negatives, you can just spam ectoplasm’s.

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At the same time, it is very fun to have a bunch of negative golds! Perhaps rebalancing ecto itself might be the trick

faint mountain Apr 2, 2025, 12:13 AM

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Hello

grand junco Apr 2, 2025, 12:14 AM

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A friend of mine had an idea,

Rework Baron: He cannot trigger on any negative king whatsoever

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?

grand junco Apr 2, 2025, 12:15 AM

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opal crown next i will add foil consumables <:troll:729876711306428496>

Also, base smods adds editions on consumables to the calculation, Jens Aurinko makes it so that planet cards with additions add their respective multiplier to the planet when you level up a planet

#INVERSION: Negative Playing Cards (Version 2)