This mod aims to combine two of the best games ever: Balatro and The Binding of Isaac. I lowkey just begun development of this mod because I love Isaac. :3
#[HEAVY WIP] Balatro: Repentance
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ripe anchor
Can't try it out right now, but will tonight. "Not balanced" just seems to mean standard mod power level atm, are you planning to go further than that?
Also the rarities confuse me
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Have you played Isaac before?
ripe anchor
Lol no, that probably explains it
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xdd so basically, in isaac each item has a hidden stat called Quality, which ranges between 0-4. I have just gone off of the idea that Quality 1 = common, Quality 2 = uncommon etc. Quality 0 items in isaac are normally quite strange so I think I will manually decide which rarity I want to use for each Quality 0 when it comes to it
Also, the mod isn't really like purposely "Not balanced" it's just the case that my goal going into creating the mod is to try to mirror the stats of the items in Isaac in terms of different variable joker stats in balatro. The README.md has a list of the subsitutes for each stat, though it might not mean a lot if you havent played the same aha
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The inky one that through me off was this
Ends up very weak for a legendary in balatro
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xdd its only a legendary because in isaac its a Quality 4 item, so I decided I'd just make it legendary aha
ripe anchor
Very fair
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I kind of like the idea that the Quality of the item in Isaac mirrors to how often you see it in this mod, because Quality does affect spawn rate of items in Isaac, but it might end up making the mod kind of repetitive if a lot of the jokers are legendaries and stuff so I might change this later
If I do change this it'll be after I implement every item, then I'll balance from there
but, there are a lot of items so that'll take a while
e.e
780 items
ripe anchor
Finally a mod to (nearly) rival Pokermon in joker count
blazing jay
The inky one that through me off was this
...It really should have parameters to at least be obtained not through the usual way (Soul), because getting an early Soul and getting THIS would be an absolute buzzkill.
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LMAOO
i didnt think about that
okay ill definitely have to balance rarities then thats fine
ionic glacier
The inky one that through me off was this
what the actual shit
yknow it might be good for you to
make a custom rarity
feral ingot
I actually was making a mod with the same core idea, so i could lend a hand with some art i already made for that one and maybe some new art
(Heres some examples for the jokers i saw on the github page)
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make a custom rarity
that could be a good idea
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(Heres some examples for the jokers i saw on the github page)
wait these are sick what
i just slapped their isaac sprites onto a joker and called it a day if you couldnt tell
art is not my strong suit
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yea, I made every item up to steam sale so thats like over 60 items i already drew
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yea thats sick
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(+I made different sprites for each of the item pools bc why not)
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oh like the doorframe and the room behind it?
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yes
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my idea was way too ambitious tho, so just normal jokers could be better
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im guessing you mean normal as in not including a bunch of different sprites for item pools
on the topic of item pools one of the ideas i have is to add packs for each of the item pools
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im guessing you mean normal as in not including a bunch of different sprites for...
that, and my original idea was for passive items to work like vouchers while actives take up joker slots.
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on the topic of item pools one of the ideas i have is to add packs for each of t...
and I don't know how I never thought of just making booster packs to get the items
because thats actually smart
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also i was originally going to just make 'A Dollar' appear in shops and stuff but now I kind of want to make cards for each of the machines and make it obtained by like selling a slot machine card or something
or like slot machines trigger every round and give a little money but theres a chance its destroyed and you get a dollar
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because thats actually smart
yea then you kind of have an idea of what you're going to get
also the shops between blinds could have like an item room item and like something else along side it
like a planetarium item or a secret room item or something
but i dont know if i could influence the shops to do that
also i was considering making it so that you only see isaac cards
or at least a setting for it
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what if there was also a spectral called devil deal? where you sacrifices something (like a hand/discard/handsize) to get a free devil pack and thats the only way to get them?
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wait thats a good idea
boss blinds can be based on in game bosses too
but i dont know what types of effects id give them
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you could think of something
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cus its kind of hard to like translate how a boss fight is in isaac compared to blind effects in balatro xd
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yea, and also angel packs could be a neat idea (with the whole not doing any devil deals so you can buy them)
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yeah true
and it can be like if you've opened a devil pack you cant find angels in shops
i have no idea how to code that in though so it'd be a lot of learning for me aha
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yea, its a slight bit ambitious but it would be very fun
(also challange room packs could drop you into a boss blind after you pick a card)
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that, and my original idea was for passive items to work like vouchers while act...
i only just saw this but this could be a good idea
but then you can also stack up a lot of things, and also i think its quite difficult to trigger regular effects to like chips and mult from vouchers
though it could be a good idea to limit the player to 1 active item at a time, and the rest of the joker slots can be passive items
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thats actually a very good idea
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how could trinkets be implemented
cus i cant lie i was just going to not implement them at all because i couldnt think of an idea
xd
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also i like the idea that marie suggested of custom rarities so i might add custom rarities for quality 0-4 like in the game
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trinkets could be like in the consumable slots
yea i did think this because there isnt a lot else that could go there
besides actual isaac consumables
unless trinkets are also just jokers but then everything might feel all the same
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i think trinkets and consumables sharing the consumable slots is a good idea
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that could be a good idea i think
oh yeah cus you get 2 consumable slots, and in isaac you can have 1 trinket and 1 consumable
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+theres the items that increase the amount of trinkets and consumables you can hold (which can effect the consumable slots)
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wait isnt there some situations in isaac where you can have 2 trinkets
i think theres an item for it i cant remember off the top of my head
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belly button?
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+theres the items that increase the amount of trinkets and consumables you can h...
yea okay just what i was thinking
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belly button?
yeah could be
yeah belly button
but then i guess that could just be +1 consumable slot
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also, what about boss items? (like after beating an isaac boss you get an item from a specific pool)
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it could, but dont make it free
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yea maybe
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make that the only other way to get isaac items (except for the packs of course)
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also my original idea was all of the instances of health ups in isaac translate to +hands in balatro so there could be a lot of boss item repetition
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yea, isaac and balatro are such different games that you have to take lots of liberties
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i do like the packs idea
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yea, isaac and balatro are such different games that you have to take lots of li...
yeah of course
its like that guy doing a cod zombies mod like i wouldnt even know where to begin with that aha
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there is so much ground to cover
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yea
theres a list of like substituted stats on the github download page but i guarantee it will get changed at some point
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i even have this (slightly abandoned) spreadsheet with all of the sprites, rarities and abilities (that i thought of until now)
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the thing is its hard to stop things being repetitive when its focused closely around the stats in isaac that each item applies
so some items could get unique effects that dont really follow the isaac items just so it doesnt get repetitive
cus thats my only problem right now is im worried that its going to just become extremely repetitive
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so some items could get unique effects that dont really follow the isaac items j...
yea, like how i was planning to change my reflection to give you back broken glass cards
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yea that seems like a good idea aha
but yea stuff like that just small effects that make cards fun
id especially want to do this to higher quality cards cus then it makes them feel more rewarding
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theres a list of like substituted stats on the github download page but i guaran...
this was my idea for now but
then theres some things where its like
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I think range should be handsize
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i think theres items that can do like negative a bunch of range
yea
wait thats a goodi dea
i didnt even consider hand size
what could reflect hands then
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shot height is kinda weird
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unless shot height is xChips and shot amount is hands
cus xChips is a lot more nichely used
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i think shot height should be semi replaced with shot speed (bc its an actual stat in the game)
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okay heres a thought would mutant spider do +3 or +4 hands cus its quad shot
but its 3 extra
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i think shot height should be semi replaced with shot speed (bc its an actual st...
both are
but shot speed is probably a better idea
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i think shot height is just a lot more niche but im pretty sure its the stat that affects shooting over rocks and stuff
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so mutant spider gives you more tears, but less firing rate
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so what is firing rate?
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i think so
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cus im pretty sure like "Tears Up" correlates to firerate up
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yea thats what i was thinking aswell
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i need to write down ideas somewhere aha
i think finalizing the like conversions of the isaac stats into balatro is important before any joker effects
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yea you're right about that
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okay i think ill just edit it right into the readme
so
what have we said each stat converts to
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i think Tears should stay as chips
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tear amount (or whatever we're gonna call it) is hands
yea like shot count
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yea like shot count
yea
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i think tears as chips and damage as mult works fine
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yea i think so aswell
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bombs as discards sound fine?
though there arent many items that give you bombs
unless theres an alternate way to obtain bombs keys etc
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Pyro would be insane
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also i havent come up with an idea for what keys could represent yet
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Pyro would be insane
even boom! would be insane
10 discards is still insanely strong
unless i just heavily nerd them
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what if they were temporary discards?
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like boom is +3 and pyro is +6 or something
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what if they were temporary discards?
as in they dont count to the max?
like once you use the discards they dont go back up
thats sounds good
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yes
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so you have your base max discards of like 3 but if you got boom! it would go up to 13
and using any above 3 will not regenerate
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so keys could also be temporary hands
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so keys could also be temporary hands
very good idea
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but we make it so that temporary hands dont generate money (same for temporary discards bc of green deck)
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exactly
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sounds good
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shot speed?
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SPEED
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OH YEA
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and shot speed
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we got move speed and shot speed
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shot speed could maybe be retriggers
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playing cards
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yeah
that sounds good
wouldnt that make more sense for shot count?
god we're going in circles here aha
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shot count is rarer and more valuable tho
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yeah true
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so now, speed
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good idea, but that could also be health
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yea
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bc we still need health
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health up could be like -5% blind requirement
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and soul hearts are just temporary versions
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i was gonna say like 5% or 10% off
how would we include soul hearts
how would we include all of the different heart types for that matter
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as temporary blind requirements
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red soul dark etc
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red is just gonna be heart slots
soul is temporary (so its only for 1 blind)
dark is temporary but more percent than red and soul
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soul hearts could be added to your joker slots as negative or something and could be sold to decrease blind requirement of the next blind or something
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soul hearts could be added to your joker slots as negative or something and coul...
yes
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otherwise it kind of sucks that its kind of forced on you to use them on the blind after you obtain them
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it would
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especially things like
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also holy hearts, if you win the blind in 1 hand. they turn into heart slots
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could be
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yeah true
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i have no idea
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neat
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so just something that isnt on here i guess lol
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(add health)
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oh yeah
there we go
now we just need speed rahh
i have no idea what speed could be
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what if speed was maybe for better blind skipping?
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hmm
in what way
i cant think of a way to improve blind skipping aha
besides like better tags? but i dont know in what way they could be better
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more tags? like a chance to double the skip rewards?
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yeah thats exactly what i just thought
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maybe, it would be another thing for oops all 6s to go with aswell
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so whats the final idea gonna be
i think it being skip related is a good idea for sure
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yea i think thats it
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like n/10 chance to get an extra tag where n is added speed
we think this is good?
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yea, but we could do different effects for each speed item
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as in?
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for example : recieving money
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yes
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ill just write the effect of speed as Blind Skip Rewards and then it can be unique to each speed up joker
what about speed downs?
you lose stuff when you skip
(:<
like if you skip a blind you could lose money or stuff
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and i think thats everything
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yeah
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just add like a 10% change (additive) per 1 luck
so with 1 luck it would go from 1 to 1.1
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yeah
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it can be strong but you'll need alot of it
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does luck just affect the chance of finding different rarities
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it can be strong but you'll need alot of it
same as in isaac so that works out
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luck i think should just be on random chance things
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?
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like on wheel of fortune
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oops all 6s
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exactly
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yeah
sounds good
what rate would it increase it though
oh you said like 1.1x per luck
sounds fine to me
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now if we find any other stats on the way then we just make it up on the fly
wait what do we do about familiars?
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hmm
i was thinking that
cus i was thinking of like
how would twisted pair work
was the example in my head
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so it like impacts your final score?
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could do
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but i think it should be something unique for each one
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so i think thats actually it this time
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yea that should be fine
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(also if you want the spreadsheet so we can change and revive it i can send it)
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how would tmtrainer work
you know RNJoker from cryptid?
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let me take a look quick
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something like that but you cant see the effect
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yes
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sounds good
ill be able to work on stuff later but im in college for another 3 hours e.e
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kk
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can still think of ideas tho
i might put a bunch of jokers onto the list on the mod site for now
and then implement them later
i just realised are we gonna want any scaling on damage to mult
cus like Blood of the Martyr is going to do +1 mult if its 1:1
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oh sorry i was gone for a bit
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its fine
also do you like the idea for the spoon bender?
for the idea of 'homing' i did kind of like the plasma deck
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the idea for spoonbender is fine, but there is another joker that does the same thing in cryptid
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is there?
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so i was thinking maybe it shows you your highest scoring hand that you could play
dont know how you would code that tho
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i can still put that as the effect it can just be conceptual for now
or ill leave it as balancing them and if i can find a way to make your idea work ill try it out
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yea
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also i think im going to do damage to mult at a 1:10 ratio
so for each +1 damage its +10 mult
seems reasonable
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I think the ratios should be semi-personalized
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yea could be
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depending on how we change the item
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depending on any other effects or anything
yteah
i think ill use 1:10 for items that mainly focus on damage increase and then we can personalise any ratios that need it
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i think thats good
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wait what was our idea for range cus i just realised i didnt write it down
handsize right?
wait i did write it down i cant read
aha
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yes handsize
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oh i didnt see it cus i didnt break the line so it was just on the wrong line
xd
oops
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its fine now tho
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fixed it
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sweet
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putting conceptual effects for more items on the site
cant really work on the mod itself at college cus i dont have access to balatro lol
how do we want it to work?
you say familiars could be applied last but what could it do
the damage would make it a mult card but how could it be applied
also we should think of an idea for transformations
like having a certain set of jokers gives extra effects
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yea this is the problem with some familiars
they're too basic to come up with cool effects for
but transformations are a good idea tho
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also how are extra lives going to work
kind of like um
the vanilla skeleton joker
get 25% and
i forgot
LOL
one sec
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mr bones?
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yeah
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yea just mrbones without the %
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yeah
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(at least for 1UP)
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yeah i was gonna say
theres somethings that will be different like
is it guppys collar that has a 50% chance to revive an infinite amount of times
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yea
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are you down to do the artwork for the jokers? ^^
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I already have jokers from ID 1 to 64
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:o
also i improved the site with a bunch of jokers and conceptual effects if you wanna look
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kk
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oh wiat i havent pushed it to the site itself
xd
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give it a minute to update
i also replaced the rarities with their qualities
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nice
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okay pushed
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finally updated on my screen
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yea idk why they take so long
mine still hasnt for me
wait it has now
i think its to do with cache
or github uses some sort of cdn to pass things through and it just takes time to go through it
ripe anchor
yeah, both browser cache and github's Ddos protection and whatnot
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but i think its something to do with system
yea
browser cache makes it take forever to update
i normally use incognito to check if it updated properly cus it doesnt use the same cache
happy with the site so far tho
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What do we reckon flight would represent?
cold cypress
tainted keeper deck when
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wait decks of characters is such a good idea what
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yea (also the reason why i wanted to make the passive items act like vouchers is because of tainted isaac)
dreamy frigate
about that
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hm?
dreamy frigate
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@feral ingot what do we do about familiars
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no idea
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yipee
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my creative juices are depleted today
cold cypress
oh ma gawd balatro x tboi my dreams came true
tbf edmund has played balatro and he does like it
and balatro has some pretty obvious tboi inspiration
cold cypress
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hes amazing aha
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yea (also the reason why i wanted to make the passive items act like vouchers is...
i was dwelling on this thought and im pretty sure you can just limit joker slots
so that they can never go above 8
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Small update on Github :3
tawny kiln
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Implemented custom rarities
Implemented item descriptions (based off of actual Isaac items)
gloomy solar
don't forget to include 2x images
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yeah theres 2x images - i need to update the github aha
ill do that right now actually while i remember
just lost a bunch of progress i love windows
high dome
wait this is sick i love this actually
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yea sure, I think for now most of the early art is already there
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yea, as I said before I think I reached up to like id 62 or somewhere similar
but I am planning to make more when we need it
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awesome
should be a while before then
im at id
let me check
41
but i have missed a lot of items cus im still trying to think of ways to implement them
done 25 so far
https://meowfem.github.io/ i think i added all of the ones you said you originally had art for and you can see how many ive done of the lot
so got a way to go yet aha
bright idol
soy milk?
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eventually, im going through all of the items in order of their item ID
so im starting with rebirth items
cold cypress
how would brim work
blazing jay
If ya need someone to help balance out the item effects, lemme know...cuz Cricket's Head still seems extremely weak for how powerful it should be, while some others (mainly Roid Rage, NO.1, and ESPECIALLY Mom's Lipstick) seem incredibly powerful.
high dome
i mean that's just a permanent Juggler Tag
blazing jay
+3 handsize
...That's the thing, +3 Hand Size for what's effectively a Common is INSANE. Compared to Vanilla, Juggler only gives +1 Hand Size, and Toubaldor gives +2 Hand Size for -1 Hands Played.
Unless if you're going for the Cryptid approach of "intentionally unbalanced".
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ill prolly go over everything and do a big balacing update at some point
ill admit nothing is in any way balanced at the moment
dusky finch
do you think you'll add floor curses as blind curses?
cold cypress
what if curse of darkness doesn't tell you what the blind score is
high dome
curse of the blind is as annoying as in the real game: consumable cards? good luck figuring out what they are!
curse of the lost makes you enter a random blind in the ante
cold cypress
curse of the lost makes you enter a random blind in the ante
HELP VIOLET VESSEL AAA I BARELY LIVED
oh hi small blind
whag about curse of the labyrinth: replaces the big blind with a boss blind but you go up by 2 antes
stiff cloak
do you think you'll add floor curses as blind curses?
this is a good idea
idk how ill do blind though
dusky finch
Yeah i unfortunately am no help
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i was thinking like everything in the shop is hidden kind of like the actual curse in game but idk if blind effects can carry over to the shop after
it probably can but i wouldnt really know how
high dome
i mean chaos the clown has an effect every shop, maybe you could check the code for him
