Infinite Fusion [Currently not worked on]

[topaz snow]

Fuse any Jokers together!

This mod aims to add a system that would allow any two or more Jokers to be fused together into a single card and still function.

A fused Joker looks like an undiscovered Joker, and it does all of the effects of the Jokers it consists of (So a Lusty and Wrathful Joker would make a fusion that would trigger on both Hearts and Spades)

The mod has an API that allows other mods to define custom sprites/texts for specific fusions, although it doesn't come with any of them built in.

The mod is currently work in progress, meaning issues are to be expected.
Currently the mod features a special Spectral card that fuses two Jokers - The Experiment (placeholder sprite by Joey J. Jester) it's currently there to allow ease of testing the fusions; In the later versions it will be rarer (if it will even be in the later version)

Infinite Fusion on GitHub: https://github.com/SpaD-Overolls/BalatroInfiniteFusion/releases/latest
Community-created companion mod that adds custom art for certain fusions: https://github.com/Depressomane/FuzeFolio

Known issues:

• Blueprint/Brainstorm eval_status their target instead of themselves as a part of a fusion this is a SMODS issue

• Crypid cry_double_scale_calc crash

[cedar dove]

This sounds super cool! How does it decide what the fused joker does???

[topaz snow]

a fused joker does all of the effects of the jokers it consists of

[heavy talon]

Lowkey I feel like it The Experiment could work like Death

Select two jokers

the left joker fuses with the right joker

[topaz snow]

the issue is that you cant select two jokers

[heavy talon]

I see 🤔

[topaz snow]

if anyone finds any issues, that arent on this list, please ping me

also modded jokers need testing because outside of my system being theoretically sound, i dont have actual data on functionality of modded ones

[shell ingot]

Nice, can't wait to try it out

[topaz snow]

tbh i feel like the first two are something to do with the retrigger api because it messes with calculate_joker outputs but idk what i'd even do about it

the wee joker is definitely just me messing up when writing the loc_var function

[heavy talon]

God I gotta figure out a more consistent way to get Experiment rather then debug+ - Jalamanac and cryptid make that hard

[topaz snow]

you can code a custom key function for debug+

or i can

[topaz snow]

        if G.consumeables then
            G.consumeables:emplace(create_card(nil, G.consumeables, nil, nil, nil, nil, 'j_infus_experiment'))
        end
    end```

just paste that at the very top of function global.handleKeys(controller, key, dt)

in debugplus' core

[heavy talon]

I'll try that on for size

[topaz snow]

it'll spawn an experiment when you press y

[buoyant zephyr]

Select a joker and it merges with the joker to its right?

[shell ingot]

Works fine with basic modded jokers so far 👍

[topaz snow]

tbh the actual methods of fusion are not that important to me atm bcos my goal is the underlying fusion system atm

[topaz snow]

tbh the biggest concern is vanilla jokers because they're not a part of the very modular system of smods

[shell ingot]

You want me to try vanilla + modded fusion?

[topaz snow]

the exact combinations don't really matter and atm I have so little info that any testing a good so dw about it

[shell ingot]

Oop

Tried to fuse Joker with Jimball to test

Wait it's a crash from my mod wth

I don't think JokerEvo likes your fusions much 😬 Will give it a look soon

[topaz snow]

could be

the way fusion works is by impersonating whatever joker it's trying to act as

[shell ingot]

Those are the arguments in said math.max

[heavy talon]

hm

pressing y gives me a goofy ahh cryptid crash

after patching

[shell ingot]

Not sure if your mod does something with a card's ability.

[topaz snow]

oh maybe that just the way I coded the actual fusion part (which was hastily thrown together)

the way the fusing process works is by copying the data from targets, deleting them and then spawning a fusion

[shell ingot]

How much depth is copied tho

[topaz snow]

everything in card.ability

[shell ingot]

Weird

[heavy talon]

so far so good 🤔 when it comes to fusions

[topaz snow]

I just realized that anything with custom generate_ui won't work properly because I'm rendering the joker descriptions through the info_queue

[heavy talon]

first crash 🗣️

started fusing already fused jokers

I can check to see what jokers were involved in the fusions rq

It was

• 4 Jimbos in one fusion

• Walkie Talkie and Riff Raff in the other

Okay so apparently fusing it with Exoplanet and Flag of Surrender (Familiar joker)

well no strange

if you try and fuse too many jokers together at once Cryptid will throw a crash for legendaries, maybe it's scaling jokers in paritcular that are causing the crash?

cause it calls cry_double_scale_calc

I was trying to fuse all 5 legendaries together

[topaz snow]

I'll need to investigate that

[heavy talon]

In the meantime do you think it's okay if I make a google sheet for people to make custom fusion like names and stuff? It won't be like fusion Jokers so no unique effects

🤔

[topaz snow]

I don't mind but I feel it could be a bit early for that

[clear dragon]

lmk if I need to make any fixes for Cryptid support to work smoothly :)

[frank forum]

Since when does Cryptid work smoothly period

[shell ingot]

I added a check to see if the ability amount exists and it doesn't crash anymore 👍

[clear dragon]

I already feel like UI wise, some Jokers will be an issue

there should be some way to differentiate what tooltips are for the fused jokers, compared to ones created by the fused jokers

[topaz snow]

atm the default is to ignore the info_queue of subjokers

[clear dragon]

that's smart, I'm fine with that tbh

[shell ingot]

Imagine a fusion with that Ouroboros joker lol

[frank forum]

lol I was thinking the same thing

[frank forum]

also lmfao pretty sure that's my screenshot

[shell ingot]

Idk I picked the first one I saw in that mod's thread

[frank forum]

yeah it's from when I was pointing out it could be eternal

which obv is not what you want for as joker like this

[heavy talon]

What is virtual packs from

👀

I'm actually curious on that

Oh Bunco

I haven't used that in FOREVER just because of mod incompat galore

[frank forum]

i've had very little problem with bunco

polymino cards are useless though

[rose moat]

Oh neat

I should test my jokers on this to ensure I'm not doing things in weird ways

[heavy talon]

I was mostly thinking the idea could be a side mod that implements it that's a requirement, but uh, here it is:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1prtEOIO9ktFJ4okG37D79r5GKsG5FiqLwXr3ORQcs9k/edit?usp=sharing

Some basic rules I wouldn't mind seeing if possible:

1. Please don't nuke the spreadsheet I trust the modding thread

2. We're going off of raw fusion rules here. Not fusion jokers where additional abilities are implemented.

3. Have fun

[topaz snow]

speaking of raw fusion rules, the jolly joker + jolly joker would technically be +8 mult twice if hand contains a pair

it's still two separate triggers

[frank forum]

Doesn't Google docs have versioning anyway? Where got could revert if it was wiped

[heavy talon]

[heavy talon]

Yeah I didn't know if I should get that technical with it or not

+8 then another +8 as 2 different triggers

[topaz snow]

🤷

[heavy talon]

I think +16 is fine because it isn't 2 seperate effects that are happening

Like if it was like Ramen + Jolly Joker I could get it

x2 mult that decreases, and +8 mult

[topaz snow]

I'll need to add a function to return all loc_vars as a table so the summ could be displayed properly (cus those values aren't actually static)

[heavy talon]

[topaz snow]

custom ui doesn't display properly, idk what I'll do about that
atm I have one exception coded for that (misprint always showing foresight when fused)

[topaz snow]

looking at this purely through source (on phone atm) it seems like cryptid calls the doublescaler while infinifusion isn't correct (if it even can be correct to begin with)

I think it could be solved through a hook? I'd need to learn how cryptid works more in depth for this

[mild fjord]

Hear me out: Infinite Craft Balatro

That's what I think when I see this mod

[topaz snow]

this mod is inspired by pokemon infinite fusion, "infinite craft"-y jokers are possible but not for this mod

[topaz snow]

unless you want to fuse them because they should fuse just fine

[frank forum]

I mean to really make something like infinite craft it'd need an ai engine

And I mean that in the machine learning sense

[topaz snow]

ok so after thinking about this I realized the source of the sixth sense not working

[heavy talon]

only way I could see it working without giving the user a lot of strife is if a server somewhere was running that code

but that means 2 things

an always online connection

and lua using http

[topaz snow]

sixth sense destroys through it's calculate_joker return val and infinifusion doesn't return anything

I'll need to add an edge case, although I'll need to see if there's a way to ret calc_joker w/o triggering retriggers

because if I just pass sixth sense's true through infinifusion it'll retrigger the entire fusion despite the fact retriggers are already handled through being separate calculate calls

[topaz snow]

for someone who stared at retrigger api code for as long as I have, not knowing the answer to this already is embarrassing

[topaz snow]

I just realized the retrigger api could break everything so I need to add some measures for that too

[topaz snow]

fixed sixth sense right now

the broken blueprint/brainstorm notifs are strange bcos they dont happen on joker_main

wait

i think thats a smods bug

[topaz snow]

going to investigate cryptid after the next update because being functional with mods less encompassing than cryptid is enough for me to feel confident enough to add the api

[topaz snow]

almost got the api to work

[shell ingot]

Feels bad for big joker mods that wants to add an interaction for each jokers 😅 Not sure I'd even do it.

Could always be a collaborative effort 🤔

[topaz snow]

this is just api support for outside mods

infinifusion itself will probably not include any combinations

[topaz snow]

https://github.com/SpaD-Overolls/BalatroInfiniteFusion/releases/latest

@heavy talon infinifusion api

Infinite Fusion [WIP]

current todo list:

• investigate cryptid crash
• clean up the code that fuses jokers
• draw a new sprite for the experiment
• write a function to create random fusion
• perhaps naturally spawning fusions?

[topaz snow]

btw im really late on this but did evo actually work

[shell ingot]

Nope, evo don't work on fusion

Does your mod recognize which card is an infinite fusion and which is not? i'll add a check to prevent the evo tooltip from showing

[topaz snow]

infinite fusions have self.infinifusion

or card.infinifusion within smods api

[shell ingot]

Alright

There we go, no longer shows up, this will prevent tooltip bloat 👍

[topaz snow]

implementing some of the jokers from here and discovered another issue

i'll need to make sure various ability values are synced up between fusions, because for example the egg doesnt work because it adds extra value to itself and then that extra value is trapped within the subjoker table

how do i download images from google sheets

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-funnt-cat-black-cat-sleepy-cat-gif-16409614852005252877

[buoyant zephyr]

i think support for things like Gemini would need to be done on cryptid side??

[topaz snow]

i think it could be resolved by a hook on my side

depending on how its done and what we are talking about because i dont know much cryptid

[buoyant zephyr]

the exotic that doubles all values on the leftmost joker

It understandably but unfortunately doesn't work on the fused jokers

[topaz snow]

so cry_double_scale_calc?

[buoyant zephyr]

It is not double scale, it's a secret third thing since it affects even non scaling jokers

[topaz snow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-funnt-cat-black-cat-sleepy-cat-gif-16409614852005252877

i'll need to get more info on how it all works and i think i could make it work

[topaz snow]

tbh "it doesnt work" doesn't really mean much atm because the mod is too early in the development

practically a tech demo

like even the egg doesnt work atm

[topaz snow]

i implemented the ones currently on the list (as a separate mod) so there's a proper reference mod to see how the system functions

[topaz snow]

(still stand by that bcos one of the two custom art jokers in the starter pack literally doesnt work)

[topaz snow]

@odd pollen can u pin github pls

[topaz snow]

and maybe the community sheet bcos i dont see the reason to split up the two mods into different threads even if they are technically separate

[topaz snow]

ty

[odd pollen]

Do I pin the sheet?

[topaz snow]

i dont see why not

[topaz snow]

repost of shame because i messed up dependencies by 1 space

[clear dragon]

You’re talking about misprintize I guess?
If so it depends on how the ability table is stored
And the fusion itself might re-randomize all the values, which would be bad I assume

It might need to be hardcoded to search the ability table at a higher depth for infinifusion jokers

[topaz snow]

the fusion keeps the original ability tables within self.infinifusion

[clear dragon]

Yeah, then I will likely have to do this

[buoyant zephyr]

Does Gemini use misprintise?

[topaz snow]

what functions should i look at in cryptid for this?

[clear dragon]

Yes

[clear dragon]

cry_misprintize_card iirc

It only goes depth 2 in the table so, ability.extra.something gets changed but ability.infinifusion.extra.something wouldn’t

I want to also loop through infinifusion tables if that is detected

[topaz snow]

infinifusion is not within the ability table

[clear dragon]

And then there’s the double scale crash, idk why that happens but could be a similar thing with depth 2

[clear dragon]

OH

yeah then I will definitely need to account for that

[topaz snow]

i think i could handle it on my end, although i'll need to see how its used on cryptid's end

ya i think i can write a hook that'll convert it into infinifusion

[topaz snow]

the way infinifusion works is by changing into the subjokers for various effects so cry_misprintize is just one of the places that i should account for

[clear dragon]

Cryptid loads very late, it might be easier to add the hook on Cryptid’s end once you program it

[shell ingot]

What if fusioning two of the same jokers default to the original joker sprite?

Also spoilers: Fusioning two Boredom doesn't make it better

Oh yea are fusions not bp'able by default or it's just an UI moment?

[heavy talon]

WIP on the "M Incarnate" concept I had

[topaz snow]

I could add that yeah

[topaz snow]

ui moment, I should set compat to true

[heavy talon]

here we go

first jonkler completed

[topaz snow]

I wish it was possible to do blueprint_compat as a function ala in_pool, but ig setting it to true will do

[heavy talon]

Alright so

I feel like the companion mod is gonna be called Fuze Folio, I made a copy of the starter pack to get everything all set up

Gonna probably get it into a git where people can pull requests to add stuff later

[topaz snow]

added the thing to force joker sprite if the fusion is made up of entirely the same joker + experimenting with procedural effects

atm the procedural resize is only wee and square, and i need to figure out how to fix soul pos

[topaz snow]

btw all that only applies to jokers that dont have art

[unkempt flume]

oh boy time to fuse scary face into smiley face, then fuse that into sock and buskin, then fuse that into reserved parking

[topaz snow]

added a system to resync ability values that should persist through fusion calc (like extra cost) + made it so the cost of the fusion is a summ of the costs of the jokers its made of (before it was just resetting to $1)

need to add proper sticker/edition compat and then i'll release 0.0.3

[topaz snow]

sticker/edition compat and fix the procedural resizes that is

after that the mod should be entirely vanilla compatible?

[shell ingot]

Cant you check if at least one joker from the fusion has blueprint_compat = true?

[topaz snow]

the problem with that is that I can't change the flag on the fly

I don't have a way to see if the blueprints are trying to check compatibility with infinifusion

[shell ingot]

You do transfer ability values on fusion, why not blueprint_compat only if its true?

[topaz snow]

it checks against the center every frame

i could probably patch it to work properly now that i look at it but idk if it would work for modded jokers

[topaz snow]

ok so im thinking and if i restructure some of the code a bit i could allow fusion api to be more than just visuals + allow people to use it for crosscompat with other fusion mods

[topaz snow]

like for example I could allow other mods to make it so fusing certain jokers through infinifusion would spawn their fusion joker instead

[topaz snow]

https://github.com/SpaD-Overolls/BalatroInfiniteFusion/releases/tag/0.0.3

new release

current version should support every Joker from vanilla rn

[topaz snow]

update: i was wrong an the way i did fusions makes them completely incompatible with blueprinters

[topaz snow]

i would like to begin tackling cryptid compat rn but since i dont know anything about cryptid i would be very glad to hear of any specific issues

[shell ingot]

Oh

Blueprints jokers can't copy the calculate function or whatever's used by the fusion?

[topaz snow]

blueprints rely on the return table from calculate function and fusions cant return the return tables properly

the only thing returning anything in calculate is an edgecase for sixth sense because it has to return true to have its effect work

[frank forum]

why green and yellow?

[topaz snow]

thats a cryptid guy

[frank forum]

ph i see

brain did a stupid

[topaz snow]

im adding compat to the cryptid guys

[frank forum]

mostly because the cryptid guy looks like it could be a custom sprite for a fusion

[topaz snow]

@clear dragon dont know much about cryptid, so idk if this is a catch-all solution or if it will be problematic in specific contexts, but putting this at the top of cry_misprintize should make infinifusion compatible with it

    calculate_infinifusion(card, nil, function(i)
        cry_misprintize(card, override, force_reset, stack)
    end)
end```

it definitely works with gemini though

sticking a similar block at the start of any function that messes with the card's ability should have the similar result of making it work with infinifusion

[topaz snow]

the way calculate_infinifusion works is by running the third argument for every subjoker

the second argument is context

atm the only use for context is context.no_edition, which strips the card of its edition for the duration of the infinifusion calc (currently only add_to_deck and remove_from_deck use this to prevent negative from counting for every subjoker)

[topaz snow]

also to account for this, editions that have an effect on addition/removal should probably add a check for card.infus_editions to prevent themselves from running when fusion is messing with edition for calc purposes

card.infus_editions contains either a table of edition keys (upon initial fusion process) or a string of the edition key and exists only for creation of the fusion and the duration of no_edition calc

[topaz snow]

i should add a infinifusion_incompat so certain jokers can mark themselves unfusable (main culprit being ace of equilibrium rn)

like this seems like it would be very annoying to fusionproof

[topaz snow]

actually i should just hook set_edition to account for that

[heavy talon]

@topaz snow Do i need to change anything from the starter pack for these newer versions if there is any breaking changes?

[heavy talon]

https://github.com/Depressomane/FuzeFolio

Posted the stuff on Git and bumped the version dependency in main.lua up to 0.0.3

lemme know if anyone has any issues and I can fix em when I get off of work 2nite

[dusty sable]

There is a ai generator on civit ai that generates balatro jokers

I wonder if theres a way to hook it to this and get some type of sprites for this

[heavy talon]

Again no ai art please

[cedar dove]

This would be really cool if possible, though idk how feasible since I know producing/reading assets on the fly tends to be a big challenge.

[heavy talon]

I wouldn't want to include ai art in the first place

[topaz snow]

atm no api changes, so it should be fully compatible, and all planned changes are going to be additions that shouldn't effect any previous infinifusions

[heavy talon]

Sounds good

May or may not make a seperate thread to keep discussions specifically on the Fuze folio project there debating about it atm

[heavy talon]

@topaz snow one more think I can think of. Is there any way for us to be able to display the "fusions" as a seperate tab potentially in collection? For the named ones at least in Fuze Folio if they're registered, or is that getting a little too deep into it

or even in the joker tab

[heavy talon]

also

crash log when using Nostalgic Googol Play Card with a infusion jonkler

[heavy talon]

also made a much funnier placeholder image for FuzeFolio's fusions

[topaz snow]

it's definitely possible, I'll probably work on it after I add a function to spawn specific fusion w/o having to actually fuse anything

[topaz snow]

Looking at the code the error happens because an infinifusion is trying to check if there's a valid fusion for itself but something about the situation has destroyed it's fusion table

[heavy talon]

It's because of Nostalgic GPC I think? Lemme test with Ankh to see if the same thing happens

[topaz snow]

The crash can be avoided by adding a safeguard but the fact there was no fusion table is concerning

[topaz snow]

cloning infinifusion should be fine unless I missed something or if the Nostalgic GPC does it's copying differently

[heavy talon]

🤔 Nostalgic Googol Play Card might do it differently

because it makes two copies of the leftmost jonkler

nope Ankh does the SAME exact thing

I'm using the git pulled ver. idk if that's a problem or not

Lemme test if it's with any jonkler rq if not uh

just the Fuze Folio ones

[topaz snow]

maybe I broke something (or cryptid did?), I'll need to investigate

[topaz snow]

the git pulled version is identical to release (the commit differences are just me rapidly fixing a couple crashes)

looking at my hook, the error could be avoided by delaying the sprites I think?

either way I should update the function (as well as saving/loading) to account for the api

atm the fusion fetches it's api counterpart on creation/load and it doesn't persist, when it probably should

wait I realize what happens with the error

infinifusion's copy receives the fusion data too late

I should probably patch my code to be in the actual function itself instead of hooking

yup I need to patch it in

although tbh the crash is strange because if there's no fusion table the fusion should assume it's made of two basic jokers

[topaz snow]

strange

i made the patch and yet it still crashes with ankh but for a different reason

[thorny pewter]

What's happens if you have a blueprint then a
Brainstorm+ another joker

[topaz snow]

crash on engine/particles is not a good sign

[topaz snow]

fusions do all the effects of their subjokers

[thorny pewter]

So infinite loop

[topaz snow]

so blueprint+joker+brainstorm would copy the joker to the right, the leftmost joker and also add +4 mult

[topaz snow]

?

[thorny pewter]

Like the blueprint is copying the
Brainstorm+ k
Joker so it would give 4 mult then copy the blueprint that Copys the joker that then gives 4 mult ect ect

[topaz snow]

wait you mean brainstorm/blueprint outside of the fusion?

[thorny pewter]

Yes

[topaz snow]

fusions cant be blueprinted

[thorny pewter]

Ah ok

That makes sense

To stop those pesky infinite loops

[topaz snow]

its a technical limitation

blueprint/brainstorm rely on the return table from calculate_joker and fusions cant give those

[thorny pewter]

But we can fuse fusions?

[topaz snow]

yes

[thorny pewter]

Omg I can't wait for this to be done

[topaz snow]

rn its mostly vanilla compatible outside of ankh apparently

[thorny pewter]

Il mostly probably use it as incantation for jokers tbh

Wait can it do multiple of the same joker

[topaz snow]

yes

[thorny pewter]

Ok

[thorny pewter]

Lol

Is there a limit

Or should I have like 100 jimbos

Could*

[topaz snow]

there's no coded limit but if you have too many it'll probably crash

[thorny pewter]

Ok il guessing it also does not work with editions ?

[topaz snow]

idk how many is too many but just keep in mind that fusions calculate every joker within themselves so its like having multiple joker within 1 slot

[topaz snow]

it works with editions (for the most part), and when fusing jokers with multiple editions it picks one randomly

[thorny pewter]

Ok that's kinda what I meant like each jokers editions don't count

So a polychrome and a foil it will choose 50/50

[topaz snow]

yes

[thorny pewter]

Ah ok I'm guessing it's not easy or possible to program it to do both

[topaz snow]

infinifusion is still a single joker, it just acts as multiple for calculations

[thorny pewter]

Ye ok makes sense

[topaz snow]

edition is outside of card.ability so it doesnt get carried over into the subjoker data anyway

the only things infinifusion keeps about the subjokers are their key and their ability data

[thorny pewter]

1 last question then I'ma head to bed does his also work with scaling jokers

[topaz snow]

it should work with almost any joker

[thorny pewter]

Ok well I'ma head to bed so gn

[topaz snow]

UPD: figured out the crash

it was trying to grab the rarity colour

when infinifusion has no rarity

i made it grab the badge colour instead

[topaz snow]

with the next version i want to introduce infinifusion_incompat as a joker property, a new function to spawn fusions and a debugplus command to spawn fusions from fusion key/joker keys

[shell ingot]

That's cool

[topaz snow]

also wrote a new fusion function for this, still need to test it but theoretically it should allow creating jokers using both physical cards and just keys together as one fusion

so for example you could make a tarot that infuses the basic joker into a random joker and it'd be just create_infinifusion{contents = {G.jokers[#], 'j_joker'}}

[shell ingot]

Oh are you going to add consumables that does like "Fuses leftmost joker with Joker" or something?

[topaz snow]

idk if i'll do that but its good to have the option for that out there

i also would like to add joker as an infinifusion property to allow registering fusions from non-infinitefusion fusion mods so theres potential crosscompat between those

im also considering adding properties to define custom behaviours for fusions but im a bit on the fence about that

[topaz snow]

@clear dragon this'll need to be changed to be

    if card.config.center == card.infinifusion_center or card.config.center.key == 'j_infus_fused' then
        calculate_infinifusion(card, nil, function(i)
            cry_misprintize(card, override, force_reset, stack)
        end)
    end
end``` to account for the fusion api changes (im adding non-infinifusion fusion support)

[topaz snow]

@heavy talon oops all 20s needs fixing btw it seems i put in the wrong keys when making the initial file

[heavy talon]

🤔

I can also take a look at it when I get home I forgot to push my progress from last nigth

[clear dragon]

I’ll try to add this today :)

[topaz snow]

next version of infinifusion api will have ability to define custom behaviour for fusions so they could be made more natural

for example putting thiscalculate = function(self, card, context) if context.joker_main then if next(context.poker_hands[card.infinifusion[1].ability.type]) then local mult = 0 for i = 1, #card.infinifusion do mult = mult + card.infinifusion[i].ability.t_mult end if mult ~= 0 then return { message = localize{type='variable',key='a_mult',vars={mult}}, mult_mod = mult } end end end endinside m incarnate will make it fire off a single +16 instead of 2 +8s

also SMODS.InfiniFusion.joker to define a preexisting joker as a fusion result

rn the only thing stopping me from releasing the update is that idk how to actually insert the new command into debugplus from my side of the mod

[topaz snow]

https://github.com/SpaD-Overolls/BalatroInfiniteFusion/releases/tag/0.0.4

[topaz snow]

should i turn infinifusion into a rare joker?
what im thinking i could do is change its default behaviour (no fusion data = fusion of 2 basic jokers) so it picks two random (compatible and in_pool) jokers instead

maybe write an in_pool for it thats rng-based so its actually rarer than normal rares

[shell ingot]

Encountering natural infinifusions sounds cool

[heavy talon]

[heavy talon]

Hmnm I'm thinking of a fusion idea rn to try and make more experiments

Maybe referencing the Mycologist from Inscryption

[topaz snow]

TODO for the next update:

• unfusion function
• natural infinifusions
• first compat layer (writing a list of jokers to automatically tag as infinifusion_incompat)
• fusion collection

[tiny niche]

Let's go

[topaz snow]

https://github.com/Depressomane/FuzeFolio/pull/1 @heavy talon custom behaviour for m incarnate + fix for oops all 20s

[topaz snow]

todo: rewrite the currenr ability syncs because i realized theyre kinda stupid the way they are right now

i actually sync every fusions "global" ability values by changing them to all be the same

when keeping the individual values desynced and just adding them together for infinifusion's own ability table would make much more sense

[shell ingot]

Its to save like scaling mult etc?

[topaz snow]

kinda? there are some values i'd like to have synced between fusions (atm the two it actively syncs is extra value and perish tally) and the current version syncs them literally (by adding them together/keeping the minimum value respectively) and then setting that value across all of the subjokers when doing that and then applying it only to the main fusion makes more sense

at least in case of extra value

perish tally i should probably keep the way it is rn, but sell value should definitely be kept per joker and then just summed together into the infinifusion's own ability table

[topaz snow]

had to cheat a little to see this in action but now infinifusions can spawn naturally

i decided to not code in any rng for its in_pool because the fusion itself is completely random

well, not "completely" - i wrote a custom check for it so various pool stuff still applies

[topaz snow]

trying to test this while having a mod that adds more jokers was a bad idea

[heavy talon]

What happened lol

[topaz snow]

trying to find a specific joker in the shop when theres a mod that adds a billion jokers

[heavy talon]

Cryptid?

You can disable cryptid's Jokers in the settings

[topaz snow]

nope, defusion

[heavy talon]

Oh defused

Yeah I don't use defused normally since I usually like making a concentrated effort for my jokers

[topaz snow]

ok it works so far

(natural infinifusions should have a rare badge)

[topaz snow]

available in the newest commit

[topaz snow]

btw doing this i fixed a couple crashes that happened bcos my safety system wasnt safe enough

[frank forum]

I guess defused does add like 30 jokers at this point

[topaz snow]

its not rlly an issue it was just a bit annoying trying to test this one specific feature

oops

[frank forum]

Almost all the mods I personally use add jokers. I have over 950 in game

[topaz snow]

not infinifusion but defused and cryptid incompat apparently?

something with flipped card

[frank forum]

Oh I'm gonna have to look into that. Oh the joys is maintaining code i didn't write as someone who... can't really code

In not at mt PC right now, can you screenshot around the line it mentions?

In the DeFused code

[topaz snow]

its probably a cryptid thing

cus doublesided

[frank forum]

Yeah I usually just ask in modding-dev for help with stuff like this. But it might already be being done right on "my" end

[topaz snow]

i forgot to make it check for incompat oof

unrelated but /infuse is actually a game changer because it allows to test out fusions w/o actually crashing the game

because all invalid fusions just fizzle due to how debugplus works

[heavy talon]

pulled

and merged

[topaz snow]

will commit once more and i think that might be it for today

[heavy talon]

[topaz snow]

https://github.com/SpaD-Overolls/BalatroInfiniteFusion/releases/tag/0.0.5

still got a random crash with cryptid with the same issue from waaay back so will have to investigate

[lavish talon]

This looks quite fun, do the fused jokers only appear naturally or through other methods too

[topaz snow]

there's currently a placeholder spectral that fuses two jokers

I think once the mod is more or less finalized I'll change it to be like soul (you're still basically getting a free joker slot) but rn it's just a normal spectral

cryptid compat is currently being investigated but this release should be fully vanilla compatible if I'm not missing anything

[lavish talon]

Maybe the soul like spectral should let you select one card and it picks a random other one possibly removing negatives or other editions

If that makes sense

[topaz snow]

it already technically removes editions

only 1 edition stays

[frank forum]

I mean if you're gonna make it rare like soul I think you should still get to pick both cards

And maybe for people who sent care about balance, make a toggle to turn it back to normal spectral spawn rate

[topaz snow]

ye I'm thinking the effect will remain basically the same other than maybe making it "fuse selected joker with a random Joker next to it", which is still complete control)

[frank forum]

Isk I'm not planning to play with the mod either way, just an idea

[topaz snow]

tbh it's still insane to me that all of it just works

[topaz snow]

wait

is double scale crash just a general cryptid crash

[frank forum]

Reminds me of how I first made defused "Surely it can't be a simple as using the existing code and amputating the fusion bits." It was.

[topaz snow]

your jokers are defused

for now

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[topaz snow]

current todo:

• unfusion/defusion functionality
• change fusion searching function to allow for multiple fusions using the same combo
• fix used_jokers (no idea if its actually broken or not but i should investigate it just in case)
• allow for duplicates of infinifusion
• make it so jokers with a valid infinifusion tag generate a fusion table even when spawned through non-infuse means
• fusion collection (will require a lot of work)
• draw new art for the experiment (current idea - soul-like card with a dna splicer as the soul_pos)

[shell ingot]

fusion collection about to do a bajillion pages

[heavy talon]

I would love to try and make the actual better art or get a basis in

Cause I mean if it's based on the Splicers from Pokémon that's baller

[topaz snow]

I think I'll do the final art myself but ye it'll be based on the pokemon splicers because this entire mod is a pokemon fangame reference

[heavy talon]

Mhm

[topaz snow]

fusion collection will only include registered fusions

[shell ingot]

Oh ok

[topaz snow]

by default it'll probably be empty unless I hardcode an exception to show a generic infinifusion if there's 0 registered ones

[shell ingot]

Can natural fusions have jokers from other mods?

[topaz snow]

natural infinifusion can pick any joker as long as it's unlocked, compatible with fusion and is in pool

need to challenge-proof it still but yeah

[shell ingot]

Neat

[topaz snow]

natural infinifusion also can't contain jokers that are marked as fusions but I might change it so the generated fusion data just splits up the fusion so it would be a 3 joker fusion instead of 2

[rose moat]

wonder if you can sample colours from the jokers you have and then make a dynamic sprite based off that

[topaz snow]

tbh i'd be happy if i could figure out how to fix soul_pos sprite when resizing the joker so my dynamic sizing system could work properly w/o beheading the generic infinifusion

[rose moat]

Maybe look at how #1288504280239575061 does it

oh it has no soul pos

[topaz snow]

the issue with soul_pos is that it seems like you cant resize it

eremel said it could be done with a lovely patch but i'll need to look into it again later

[rose moat]

I mean anything can be done with a lovely patch

But that doesn't surprise me considering nothing in the base game has a soul and resizes

seems like it has sizes(?)

unless this is a case of steamodded not doing it right

or something else overwriting it

[topaz snow]

the issue is in how Card:draw handles it afaik

changing floating_sprite's T.h/T.w/VT.h/VT.w doesnt do anything

[cyan slate]

is there anyway to assign art to infifusions

liek they're made automatically so

how would you even theoretically add art to them

[topaz snow]

theres a custom object type (SMODS.InfiniFusion) used for registering specific fusions to assign art/localization/behavior

[cyan slate]

i'd love to submit art

[topaz snow]

infinite fusion contains a file that explains everything the object type can do

[topaz snow]

infinite fusion itself won't come with built-in art but there's a companion mod, the spreadsheet for the companion mod is in the pins and the mod itself is at https://github.com/Depressomane/FuzeFolio

[topaz snow]

I should probably edit the pinned message to include both the infinite fusion and fuzefolio links

[dusty sable]

usually i would 100 percent agree but since it would be infinite fusion a thing based off of Ai combining things it would honestly fit

like i dislike ai art being used where a human could make the art but since this is very literally infinite and infinite combos, i think this is one of the very very very very minimal actual use cases for it

[rose moat]

I mean we could also just do some simple shader stuff

like applying colours from one joker onto another

[dusty sable]

yea we could but imo it would be cooler to have jokers actually fuse and have custom sprites even if it is a bot that did it

and besides that we can slowly get some ideas from it to make real art to add to the mod that a real person could actually make look better and obviously not ai made

[heavy talon]

I just don't want to get into controversy abt it because even though yeah it kinda is accurate it's just a easy way out

[dusty sable]

oh no i 100 percent understand it Ai definitely steals to make things, but using it for this very specific thing is like my only like yea this makes sense why to use it cus its genuinely next to impossible for something like this to have all the art made by a human even with several people doing it, just because of the nature of what is being done

and since its for a fun little mod and not to be sold or anything its basically the least unethical use of the tool (but yea it is still using other peoples art)

[cyan slate]

was just wondering why not

how come the main mod wont have art

[topaz snow]

my goal with the mod is to provide a functional game mechanic and a system to utilize it

you don't need a billion assets to have the mechanic itself

[gloomy canyon]

Jo

The Joker was in my shop and my game instantly crashed, i have Cryptid and BalatroInfiniteFusion installed

[topaz snow]

hm

it seems like a joker within the fusion had a function for loc_vars but it didn't return anything

so it broke

should be a one line fix

[heavy talon]

Yeah what spad said, it's just an API and they made a basic mod to interface with it. If you want to submit art the sheet is the way to go 👍

Though I may need to get a lot more balatro coding experience if I wanna make jonklers work properly in some use cases for more custom stuff

@topaz snow sorry for random ping but when considering the rarity of the eventual final card (Heading rn since Pokémon for a name like Stitch or Splice) is that gonna be like 0.3% rarity?

[topaz snow]

not sure what the question is here

[heavy talon]

I explained it stupidly but uh

I was trying to say like the spawn rate compared to vanilla spectrals I think?

cause I know both Black Hole and Soul have a 0.3% chance

of spawning

[heavy talon]

WIP of my idea for Sponsorship

(still gotta edit it a bit)

headcanonical lore is an old promotion from the "glory days"....

before Joker Cola became Joke

fixed

gotta test in game to see how it translates

[topaz snow]

I think 0.3% for essentially +1 Joker slot is fine

[heavy talon]

• if some of these fusions get kinda busted, ESPECIALLY Legendary + another joker

I feel like if I learn a decent grip of Balatro coding I'd love to make some unique stuff for Legendaries

[topaz snow]

I might make a spectral that's like hex where it fuses 2 random jokers and destroys the rest

[gleaming portal]

it looks super cool

[topaz snow]

update: i've finished coding defusion

i need to rewrite the debug plus command for it bcos my current one isnt very user friendly but it all works

also in the next version im adding /infuse all to fuse all currently owned jokers

[topaz snow]

tbh i need to rewrite some parts of the defusion function to be better too but yeah

[topaz snow]

solved the double scale crash, so after the next update infinifusion should be stable

cant promise that it'll be 100% functional in cryptid bcos the other two compat changes are going to be done by cryptid, not me, but when its done i think it should work smoothly

current shortterm todo:

• rewrite a bit of split_infinifusion to work better
• rewrite /defuse to be more user-friendly
• delete the procedural scaling for wee/square bcos its more trouble than its worth

[topaz snow]

will push the current state of the code rn w/o new release bcos the split function is still heavy wip

[clear dragon]

ok I'm kinda stuck right now with compat

--Infinifusion Compat
    --for some reason this doesn't actually update the values
      if card and card.infinifusion then
          if card.config.center == card.infinifusion_center or card.config.center.key == 'j_infus_fused' then
              calculate_infinifusion(card, nil, function(i)
                  print(i)
                  if
                      (not force_reset or G.GAME.modifiers.cry_jkr_misprint_mod)
                      and (G.GAME.modifiers.cry_misprint_min or override or card.ability.set == "Joker")
                      and not stack or (not Card.no(card.infinifusion[i], "immune_to_chemach", true) and not Card.no(card.infinifusion[i], "immutable", true))
                  then
                      if G.GAME.modifiers.cry_jkr_misprint_mod and card.ability.set == "Joker" then
                          if not override then
                              override = {}
                          end
                          override.min = override.min or G.GAME.modifiers.cry_misprint_min or 1
                          override.max = override.max or G.GAME.modifiers.cry_misprint_max or 1
                          override.min = override.min * G.GAME.modifiers.cry_jkr_misprint_mod
                          override.max = override.max * G.GAME.modifiers.cry_jkr_misprint_mod
                      end
                      if G.GAME.modifiers.cry_misprint_min or override and override.min then
                          cry_misprintize_tbl(card.infinifusion[i].key, card.infinifusion[i], "ability", nil, override, stack)
                      end
                  else
                      cry_misprintize_tbl(card.infinifusion[i].key, card.infinifusion[i], "ability", true)
                  end
              end)
          end
      end

for some reason although it misprintizes the correct tables, none of the values get permanently changed

[topaz snow]

the exact code I sent should be enough to provide complete compat

[clear dragon]

this one?

[topaz snow]

.

ye this one

[clear dragon]

alr lemme test

[topaz snow]

just putting it at the start

[clear dragon]

oh you already handle the heavy lifting, nice

that works

oh I see how now

because you temporary replace card.ability, etc. for misprintize and other funcs to handle

[topaz snow]

calculate_infinifusion executes the code for each subjoker

ye

[clear dragon]

alr perfect

now what if I...

ok it didnt crash actually, nice

I 100% thought it would break against my spaghetti code

[topaz snow]

double_scale is handled on my end on the newest commit

I need to update the WIP fusion splitting to ensure the split off jokers automatically set their double_scale data if they have it but yeah

Splitting is WIP but it works for the most part

btw fusion suppresses "on_apply" for editions on initial fusion bcos I feel like it shouldn't reapply stuff like glitched or oversaturated

[topaz snow]

I should probably turn that into a toggle

[topaz snow]

actually I should probably build a system to store applied editions and only suppress duplicate calls

[topaz snow]

irl stuff + apparently balatroAP has a major crash, so probably no updates today/tomorrow

[topaz snow]

https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/commit/59f127545f663724a90c13dc6fb1af78c5303196

latest infinifusion commit + latest cryptid commit should make infinifusion stable with cryptid

[thorny pewter]

Bro I just realized this would be op after with Gemini

[topaz snow]

it would be op with anything because fusing jokers is inherently op

[topaz snow]

might bother adding consumable support for infinifusion

cus cryptid nostalgic deck

[topaz snow]

update on consumable support: it looks feasible and is already partially functional after a single change

[topaz snow]

update: its barely functional atm but i think it could work and thats kinda insane

like rn i have it queueing the events with the assumption the use conditions dont change but if i redo the queueing to take a new can_use check after executing each use before actually queueing the next one, infinifusion will be 100% compatible with consumables

[topaz snow]

that's easier said that done

[topaz snow]

so basically what I understand is that I'll have to figure out which events were summoned by use_consumeable and then have the sanity check run just before all of them and if the sanity check fails just replace the events with instant empty ones

[thorny pewter]

Let me just get out my perkeo rq

[topaz snow]

all of this is mostly for cryptid's nostalgic deck, where perkeo is already op

also fused consumables aren't as useful as fused jokers bcos just think of the conflicts

like Moon x Stars

[thorny pewter]

Ye fair

[topaz snow]

also one time use only 💀

[thorny pewter]

But still I want to have my perkeo copying 20 souls at a time in 1 go

[topaz snow]

how would u end up with a perkeoble soul

[thorny pewter]

Equilibrium

Or pointer

Or any other joker that gives soul cards

[topaz snow]

an op scenario is op even without the fusions I think

[thorny pewter]

Btw what is the new deck about

[topaz snow]

beta balatro

consumables and jokers share their cardarea

[thorny pewter]

Wait so this is in cryptid

Or just regular balatro

[topaz snow]

infinifusion is standalone but I've worked with mathisfun to ensure its compatible with cryptid

[thorny pewter]

What I'm still on the deck not the mod

[topaz snow]

ah

[thorny pewter]

But it's good that it's standalone

[topaz snow]

nostalgic deck is upcoming deck for cryptid

[thorny pewter]

Ok

[topaz snow]

for a more indepth, standalone mod based on beta balatro, there's balatro archived

[thorny pewter]

Ah ok

I almost said something stupid

But il say it anyway since I'm stupid

When do we get fused tags

[topaz snow]

why

[clear dragon]

You can always make it standalone by disabling everything except the decks in Cryptid

But Archived will most likely have this too

[topaz snow]

current idea for how to implement the usage of infinifused consumables:
as of right now, the calc inserts an event before each subcard's use_consumable to ensure the card has the correct ability table
I could grab the number of the events existing by that point, then after running use_consumeable I can grab all of the newly created event tables and store them
and by the time my inserted event runs I can run a quick use check
if the check fails, I run over the table of stored events and set them all to be empty instant events

[topaz snow]

I'll try that later but if it works I wonder if it could be used for some sort of consumable retrigger system outside of infinifusion

[topaz snow]

what I'm thinking is that if I get the consumable fusion to work, I'll cut the dynamic scaling and instead make a bunch of generic alts that'll get applied based on priority

so like:

1. exotic [cryptid]
2. legendary
3. consumable
4. basic joker

[thorny pewter]

my disapointment is irmesuarable and my day is ruined

[topaz snow]

infinifusion physically cant be blueprinted due to how it works

[topaz snow]

consumable support is almost finalized, i just need to add loc_vars for vanilla cards (without them a bunch of the cards crash)

[thorny pewter]

just found an incompatability with jens almanac

the one that allows you to chose as many options does not work

[thorny pewter]

i think i have a blueprint

[fierce spruce]

That might be a blueprint

[scarlet heart]

Can they get stacked and just display a ×x?

[thorny pewter]

it doesnt even work sadly

[frank forum]

Lol is this fuaed with oroboros?

[thorny pewter]

no i just fused 500 blueprints with debug plus

[topaz snow]

it doesn't work as in?

does it crash? or does the effect not happen?

if the fusion happens but the effect doesn't from from within it, it seems like that'd be a jens almanac issue because of checking G.jokers directly instead of using SMODS.find_card

[thorny pewter]

It crashes

[topaz snow]

do the logs say anything or does it pull ace equilibrium and doesn't make a crash report?

[thorny pewter]

Not makes a crash log it

I can't get to my computer this sec tho so I can give it later if need be

[thorny pewter]

If you want to recreate fuse with this joker

[topaz snow]

newest commit has consumable support + api

im thinking of adding voucher support too

[topaz snow]

this was easier than i thought

[shell ingot]

Not sure what would be the point of voucher fusion

[topaz snow]

well the main reason is because it was easy to implement after the consumable support, but im planning to replace the natural infinifusion function to just use create card so you could view this as futureproofing for cryptid

[topaz snow]

I'm also considering wiring support for other centers but idk how fruitful that'd be

[topaz snow]

@clear dragon currently working on consumable fusions and it appears cryptid's code cards need some sanity checks for compat
it's mostly just removing duplicate ui elements if such exist before creating new ones like this

[topaz snow]

also cryptid's planets dont work within infinifusion due to generate_ui issue

it seems like its similar to the issue i was having with vanilla planets before i made the patch to the function

idk why it would be the case for cryptid

[clear dragon]

👍

When you find any fixes feel free to make a PR

[frank forum]

yeah, not with this method that just combines effects

it'd only be usewful if they could show up in the shop prefused

and well.. it'd just redeem both

[shell ingot]

True

[topaz snow]

this is mostly just compat for the sake of compat but if any mod is willing to do anything with it they're welcome

atm busy so not a lot of updates on my projects but by the next update any possible fusion could be overriden to have custom effects through the api

[sick marlin]

Lord just imagine how insane that’d make Cryptid

[topaz snow]

still busy but something for the todo list:

• automatically generate infinifusion support for jokers that use og fusion jokers system

[swift smelt]

is this still being updated?

[topaz snow]

not currently bcos I'm busy with irl stuff

[scarlet heart]

Then the question goes: do you think the mod is functional enough now?

[topaz snow]

it's functional enough to play around with but I'd rather do more work on it before telling people that it's functional enough

[grim warren]

Any chance this is going to get polished up/updated anytime soon?
Love the mod, it has just started to cause crashes within the last few updates of SMOD

[topaz snow]

not sure when I'll have the time for infinifusion unfortunately

smods is introducing a lot of changes that I'll need to investigate

[shell ingot]

Infinicomeback

[topaz snow]

true....

[grim warren]

No worries. When you've got time you've got time. Til then we'll make do 🙂

[proper slate]

if i get some free time i can do some testing

[topaz snow]

there's no testing to be done tbh
it was known that there were issues back when the mod was in active development and considering smods changed a bunch of underlying systems while the mod wasnt being maintained that means that there's definitely more issues

[barren ledge]

is there limit how many jokers it can hold?

cuz if not, then i am about to blow up my PC

[topaz snow]

there's no limit, mechanically infinifusion acts as all of the jokers within itself

[topaz snow]

Infinite Fusion [Currently not worked on]

added this so ppl know its unsupported rn, it would probably require a completely rewrite for new calc and i cant rlly do that rn

[rotund flower]

wth is this

[topaz snow]

?
infinite fusion is completely incompatible with modern versions of smods, but even if it was compatible it doesn't do anything that could've caused this