Archipelago Randomizer

[median pendant]

https://github.com/BurndiL/BalatroAP

yea i was asked to make a thread here for this mod, lets see how that goes

[faint haven]

yippee

[median pendant]

myst are you currently working on anything with the mod or not? asking because i want to publish a new release

[faint haven]

nope

feel free to release

[faint haven]

@clever bloom can you 📌

😊

[median pendant]

https://github.com/BurndiL/Archipelago_Balatro

yea this as well, thats the apworld

dont know how important this part of the mod is for this discord but for completeness ill just post it

[clever bloom]

Oh hey

[median pendant]

yello

[clever bloom]

It's the thread on the After Dark server I've been watching

I still extend my offer to do the spriting if there's any assets needed

[faint haven]

i can replace the jimbo yapping with an ap sprite if you'd like lol

[median pendant]

AP Jimbo

[faint haven]

i can reuse my old code for doing that

[dense patrol]

oh, to explain what this is. This is a multigame randomizer, and balatro is being integrated

here's the description

This project is the cumulative effort of many talented people. Together, they have spent countless hours creating a huge repository of source code which has turned our crazy idea into a reality. ```

[high storm]

so what does that mean for balatro

what does the randomization even apply to

[dense patrol]

everything in the collection

you have no access to any of them, no planets, no jokers, no vouchers, no spectrals, and no tarots

you have to beat boss blinds up to x stake (ante only goes up to 8) and each deck to find said items

but, you aren't alone, you can play any other game with this by yourself or other people online, including balatro..there can be duplicate game

here's the main list of games https://archipelago.gg/games

[faint haven]

(you actually can't play this by yourself)

[dense patrol]

you can, add one more stake

or set the locations to minimum

[faint haven]

oh i forgor

yeah that generated i'm just dumb lol

[median pendant]

yes ive tried to fix this (you're not dumb the unit tests also fail). The problem is that the settings are currently being stupid (and im also being stupid).

sry for ping i forgot

whatever with some weird configuration of the settings it works

[clever bloom]

(you're not dumb the unit tests also fail)

Are you really a programmer if the unit tests pass?

Is that even possible

I thought that was a myth

[median pendant]

just rewrite the unit tests so they pass

[faint haven]

so true

[median pendant]

put a couple asserterrors() in there and you're set basically

[clever bloom]

If it compiles no need to touch the files I say

asserterrors()?
Sorry that's too high level for me

We log using print statements in this house

to our own detriment

[median pendant]

i think assertError or assertException is something in Java(?), idk I've never written unittests myself

but yea log print is the way

[faint haven]

you people log errors?

[clever bloom]

well you see the error is logged

all you need to do is raise the power to the exponent you logged it at

boom

log gone

[median pendant]

ohhh

[faint haven]

woah how did i not think of that

[clever bloom]

In all seriousness I hate everything and everyone that wrote the APWorld documentation

I still cannot for the life of me figure out how to write an APWorld

and I have been tearing my hair out because I want to write a more user-friendly version for the RPGMaker implementations

It does not help that I barely understand Python having used Ruby for most of my life

[median pendant]

oh I've been looking at the other games and the documentation

and its very tough

my vscode looks like this, balatro on the left and like every other .apworld on the right

[clever bloom]

It's just so impenetrable

[median pendant]

yea tbf it's a pretty complicated project

[faint haven]

what the fuck is that sdv apworld

😭

[clever bloom]

A programmer going "if it works, it works"

and hey

if it works, it works

[faint haven]

indeed

[clever bloom]

unfortunately it's very hard to understand why it works

I'm working on the RPGMaker VX Ace plugin, and I'm really fighting to make it as user friendly as possible

but the APWorld is the hardest link

what use is an extremely user-friendly integration plugin if the other half is still just as arcane

[median pendant]

its also weird because of the item classifications

[dense patrol]

playing this is a nightmare by yourself lol

[median pendant]

like i set jokers and tarot cards etc as useful but when they cant be placed in the world it says theres too many progression items

so useful = progression? why even have useful then

[clever bloom]

What the does "too many progression items" mean

if the game has that many it has that many

what

[median pendant]

like if theres too little locations for too many items

for example if you exclude every location in the world (which is technically possible) it will tell you it has no place to put items that are important to beat the game

[clever bloom]

I get that
I guess in terms of the logic, "useful" items still must be guaranteed to appear

which I think is dumb

[median pendant]

yea but why

like thats just progression then no

[clever bloom]

It's diet progression

[dense patrol]

here's an idea

[clever bloom]

progression lite™️

[median pendant]

i guess

[clever bloom]

...which is still progression in some sense, I don't ing know

[dense patrol]

make a yaml option that let's you select what jokers are progression, useful, and filler

[clever bloom]

I have long stopped trying to understand Archipelago's design decisions

[dense patrol]

same with tarots, and vouchers

[clever bloom]

like separating NetworkSlots from NetworkPlayers

[median pendant]

that does not sound fun

[clever bloom]

despite the same NetworkSlot always containing the same NetworkPlayer

...why not just unify them? What possible use is there for them being separate?

[dense patrol]

i mean the default would just make them all useful..but i'd like to set each joker individually

and then require the first few deck and 8 antes to give progression items

or at least the first deck and 8 antes

because rn it's impossible to play this alone unless you get incredibly lucky

[median pendant]

i don't even know if AP can do that

[faint haven]

modifying 150 jokers individually does not sound fun

hm

[median pendant]

but it wouldn't be extremely cringe i guess

like before this returns check if it was already specified by the user what classification it is

of course i'd need to rewrite it a bunch

[median pendant]

also i think you can just set this in the yaml already

with progression balancing

[dense patrol]

the problem is..anything and everything that's not filler is considered useful..so i'm here beating ante 1 boss blind and getting magic trick

[median pendant]

yea thats fair

[dense patrol]

at least make an option to pick what items are filler, it doesn't need to be complicated

[median pendant]

i also havent implemented the logic that you need to beat stake 1 to get to stake 2

[faint haven]

oh

[median pendant]

how do you envision this in a yaml

[dense patrol]

one second

[median pendant]

yea id have to mess with events for this (i think???)

if anybody else wants to do this be my guest

[dense patrol]

you could make it to where antes are also andomized items

not antes, stakes

[faint haven]

i am not at all familiar with apworlds sorgy

[faint haven]

unfortunately i don't think you can skip stakes lol

[median pendant]

ive actually never tested if beating a run at stake 1 will unlock stake 2

in the mod

[dense patrol]

here's how i would implement it

    # Sets which legendary encounters can contribute to the Legendary Hunt goal.
    # 
    # Latios will always be the roamer. Latias will always be at Southern Island.
    # 
    # Possible values are:
    # "Groudon"
    # "Kyogre"
    # "Rayquaza"
    # "Latios"
    # "Latias"
    # "Regirock"
    # "Registeel"
    # "Regice"
    # "Ho-Oh"
    # "Lugia"
    # "Deoxys"
    # "Mew"
    ['Registeel', 'Ho-Oh', 'Latios', 'Rayquaza', 'Kyogre', 'Latias', 'Mew', 'Regice', 'Groudon', 'Deoxys', 'Lugia', 'Regirock']``` the example

filler_items:

Allows you to pick what Jokers, Tarots, Planets, and Spectrals you want to be filler.

['Joker', 'Pluto', 'The Fool', 'The Idol']

[clever bloom]

Whoa

[median pendant]

ok that makes sense

[clever bloom]

mixing pools

[median pendant]

well that isnt really a problem

[clever bloom]

I know it isn't

it just feels a bit wrong

[dense patrol]

the pools are already mixed

[clever bloom]

I meant mixing item types

like Jokers and Tarots into the same array

I know that's how it works

deep down it feels a little wrong

[median pendant]

what game is this so i can look at the implementation there

[dense patrol]

i could give myself default oh also @median pendant when i got a strength from cratomancer, it unlocked it as soon as it spawned, not as soon as i used it

[median pendant]

some shartemon game right

[dense patrol]

and that's pokemon emerald

[median pendant]

hm weird

[dense patrol]

because it was the first one i can think of

some other games do that too, and technically starting items does it

just not the same way

[median pendant]

i chuckle everytime i see this line in the games code

-- REMOVE THIS

[dense patrol]

well why hasn't he removed it smh

[median pendant]

literally unplayable

[faint haven]

funny

have you tried installing DebugPlus?

for ease of testing

[median pendant]

no

does it change code on the fly

like you dont have to restart

[dense patrol]

you can spawn jokers and unlock them o the fly

[median pendant]

oh

well i can send myself items over archipelago anyways

[dense patrol]

and win instantly, some other stuff

[median pendant]

hm cant do that with AP

might have to check it out

[faint haven]

#1228149931257237664

you can already win/lose instantly in base debug tbh

[dense patrol]

also didn't realize it had save states

that's pretty useful

[median pendant]

hm where does it discover tarot cards

oh

ahhh just saw a huge oversight when adding consumables, the normal game code will still unlock them

simple fix

[dense patrol]

oh how do you unlock jokers and vouchers and such? i'm wondering if it's possible to use this same idea to add modded jokers and vouchers

[median pendant]

well you receive an item id and name from the server, and then you look that id up in your own table and unlock it

so if you want to add mod jokers you also have to add them to the apworld

[dense patrol]

well i know theres some games that can read that information off the yaml and toss it into the apworld..cant remember which ones though

[median pendant]

well balatro will not be one of those games until development is at a much later stage

[dense patrol]

i remember it's factorio! but yeah i could probably just make my own apworld..i really like betmma's voucher

[median pendant]

yea i think its very possible actually but just hell to implement

[dense patrol]

ye no rush

Hey..yknow what would fix the items with too many progression items..adding shop items

Would also help early game

[median pendant]

hm... idk how that would work .apworld wise

like one (or more) shopitem every ante

?

[dense patrol]

Could be yeah

Make it an option how many and they aren’t guaranteed..but if you didn’t get it last ante you can still get it the next

Basically it still counts up, so endless would actually be beneficial besides ante goal

[median pendant]

yeaaa idk

[dense patrol]

that or it's a new slot kinda like a voucher slot

[naive aurora]

you can actually reload mods through steamodded by holding m, so long as you're not modifying lovely injected code

[naive aurora]

In that case you'd definitely want to use keys over names, different mods might have different objects with the same name

[median pendant]

yea, right now i picked the item names for simplicity (and it works pretty well) but if mod item support was ever intended we'd have to migrate

which i dont really feel like doing

tbh maybe i just need to take a break from this mod after a playable version has been released

[naive aurora]

yeah it's what the game usually uses too, you're not at blame for that

it doesn't play nice with mods, unfortunately

[median pendant]

yea the main reason i chose the "real" names is that it's more clear for the other players

for them it would say "you got j_joker for BalatroPlayer" instead of "you got Joker for BalatroPlayer"

there's probably a fix for that but i dont know it

[naive aurora]

In Balatro code, it's fairly easy and efficient to convert from key to name, but finding the object from its name takes O(n)

[median pendant]

yea but i was talking server side

what my mod currently does is convert name -> key

[naive aurora]

is there a way to include both in the data sent?

[median pendant]

also O(n)

[median pendant]

of course but cringe cringe cringe

actually im not even sure

[naive aurora]

using key for finding the object would be O(1)

then just use the name for display?

if we're already taking O(n) space, O(n) time shouldn't be needed here

[median pendant]

for that I'd need to convert the index of the item (number) into the right key

so I'd have to make a table for that

the big issue behind all of this is: i don't want to do it

because it's cringe to implement it at current stage where its not even clear if we're still gonna add items

so the discussion of having mod items is not really interesting to me

but yes, of course, everything is possible. you can somehow tell the apworld through the yaml that it will need to create new jokers for mods and it will somehow sync up to the game, but creating a usable implementation for that that won't make me or the potential players rip their hair out is far outside of my scope rn

[naive aurora]

I can bring knowlegde of Balatro code to the table, but I don't know shit about AP worlds unfortunately

[median pendant]

yea, the thing is the AP server sends you an item object which has (among others) following properties: name and index.

wait actually no.. i might be wrong there

im right. but still, making it work with AP is awful

you actually could make a sophisticated system with it by sending the game a json telling it which mod item ids belong to which item, but yea one small typo in the yaml can mess this all up

might have to check the factorio implementation for it (i wont)

but yea, im not the one who will implement mod support, i can say that much

[faint haven]

too early for modded support anyway

[clear field]

Yeah probably not till it's PR or close to it

[median pendant]

ok so i thought for the shop items:
for each ante there will be a number of items (5-15) that can appear in the shop.

probably have to add AP Item as a gameobject through steamodded

[median pendant]

but idk what the best approach here would be, add them as consumables or make an entirely new class of item that can appear in the shop

[faint haven]

a new object probably

guaranteed to appear in shop until it's bought x times per ante?

[median pendant]

well yes, but how do you tell the game to just place a new class of item in the shop

[faint haven]

just add it lol

[median pendant]

ohhhh

just add it

[faint haven]

actual answer

[naive aurora]

omg

[faint haven]

you can make a lovely patch to patch the Game:update_shop function

[naive aurora]

real answer

[faint haven]

hi aure

[naive aurora]

hi

[median pendant]

ye the thing is there it creates an anonymous function which i can't overwrite

like in the event

[faint haven]

qhar

that's why i said make a lovely patch

[median pendant]

no idea how to do that

or what that is

[faint haven]

you can use lovely to directly modify the code

[median pendant]

le sigh

[faint haven]

aure can you guide them i gotta go

[naive aurora]

can't rn

[median pendant]

yea i think i won't do a patch anyways, there is another way

[naive aurora]

but there's a good bunch of examples in steamodded files

[median pendant]

do you have to create a .toml file

or is that something else

[naive aurora]

yeah the .toml files are lovely patch files

[median pendant]

ok then I'll find another way

[naive aurora]

I don't think there is one, at least not cleanly

most patches are pretty much "take a certain line, add something before or after it or replace it"

but sometimes you can't get around regex

[median pendant]

hm maybe ill have to look into that then

i could still just add it as a consumable

that would save me so much trouble

[faint haven]

i think a voucher is better since that'd be instant use

[median pendant]

true

[faint haven]

and when you get it you can have the funny

Myst's Post-Skeletron

Redeemed!

[median pendant]

is there an easy way to unregister a voucher again?

[clear field]

unsure, but could look at https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1248431147784863840

[median pendant]

yea that already helped a lot thanks

the sprite will change obviously

[median pendant]

even managed to get it to appear in a shop now..

currently writing the worst code known to man

seems to work surprisingly

still lots of testing to do tho

[faint haven]

pog

[median pendant]

i don't even wanna tell you how i avoided doing patches

[faint haven]

oh don't worry i suffered a lot before lovely was a thing

[median pendant]

yea at least the steamodded API helped a lot with creating the voucher

even though the example here kinda confused me
https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/wiki/Creating-new-game-objects#example-1

because in the loop voucher mod they do it a different way

[naive aurora]

that's 0.9.8 docs

[median pendant]

or is that just two different ways calling the constructor in lua?

[faint haven]

that's the 0.9.8 guide

[median pendant]

that makes sense

[naive aurora]

the 1.0 guide is in the numbered pages

[median pendant]

thats interesting

must be hell doing 2 different versions at the same time

[willow ingot]

I am interested but unsure what I am looking at. So it's like N games, N players played together at the same time, and somehow need to cooperate between different games?

[median pendant]

oh yea, have you ever played a randomizer before?

usually its in games like zelda where you have a bunch of items in chests, but a randomizer makes it so the items are shuffled among each other

and you have to figure out a way to beat the game

with Archipelago its that you can have N amount of games and the items are shuffled even between the games, so if you beat ante 1 in balatro a different player (whos playing zelda for example) gets the sword

[willow ingot]

Sounds crazy hard

[median pendant]

well the shuffling logic is all already there, this mod is really just making a "connection" between the server (that takes care of sending items and you receiving items) and the game

so yea it's not as hard as you first think but it still takes a lot of work

[willow ingot]

I understand it now, thanks for the explanation!

[median pendant]

yea its kinda hard to see the appeal of it if you've never seen someone play it or played a randomizer yourself but it's basically playing games you're very familiar with in a completely new way

[faint haven]

yea when i first heard of archipelago i was confused as hell

you'll understand if you get into a game tho

[willow ingot]

Sounds fun actually

[median pendant]

AP Items in shop!
https://github.com/BurndiL/BalatroAP/releases/tag/v0.0.4

[faint haven]

pog ill check this out soon

[median pendant]

somebody mentioned they were willing to do sprites for this game, i think this would be the first case where it would be cool, i dont remember, was it you Myst?

[faint haven]

that was Egg

[clever bloom]

Egg was that

[dense patrol]

Was that egg

[faint haven]

Egg that was

[dense patrol]

That made me giggle

Even though egg just said it

wait

I can’t read

[faint haven]

lmaoo

[dense patrol]

I’ve just gotten off work

I’m exhausted lol

[clever bloom]

I think I did do some vouchers in the After Dark thread

let me go dig them up

.

[median pendant]

Holeee

[median pendant]

lol

this is awesoem

[faint haven]

hell yeah

[willow ingot]

Will it be redeemable after claiming both tiers

[median pendant]

its redeemable if you have 4 dollar

and theres no second tier, it just appears in the shop as long as you still have AP items to collect

its completely separate from the voucher logic

[willow ingot]

I don't see Balatro in supported games (on archipelago.gg) is it becuz this is still alpha

[median pendant]

yea, it will never be on the website because its 18+ lol

there are actually like 100 more games than are on the website

hold on theres a spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HZvn4wSjb633Uxu2o8oHambwP0aAax4XnADidn3xs3g/edit#gid=450876694

and heres the 18+ spreadsheet lol:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XsP7CnfJZ_Ax79EiN7l-EOA_iEzi1p2eg9goyeSymU0/edit?usp=sharing

[faint haven]

Balatro isn't marked as 18+ on the main spreadsheet tho

iirc

did it get moved recently?

[median pendant]

was it ever on the main spreadsheet?

[willow ingot]

Wait 18+ ?

[median pendant]

yes because it clearly promotes gambling

yea its stupid

[faint haven]

the pegi rating system is stupid

[willow ingot]

Funking stupid

[median pendant]

hecking awful even

[willow ingot]

So is this playable at the moment? Just follow the install guide and it's good to go?

I suppose one cannot add mods other then this one
(Sorry for asking all this)

[median pendant]

not any mods that add items, but quality of life mod (like more speeds) are fine

but id wait like 20 minutes, im currently updating the release

ok now i updated the latest release

[median pendant]

ok so normally i would load a json.luafile by simple writing json = require(G.AP.this_mod.path .. "json"), at least a few weeks ago. But now this doesn't work anymore, i was asked to use NFS.load() instead of require, but the line json = NFS.load(G.AP.this_mod.path .. "json") doesn't give a value back. How would i migrate this to the newer version

[naive aurora]

NFS.load doesn't behave like require in that it returns a function

json = NFS.load(G.AP.this_mod.path .. "json.lua")()

[median pendant]

ohhh

ok so just call the function then it will return it

thats interesting

thanks for the help

[naive aurora]

np

[median pendant]

NFS.loadalways returns a nil value, so theres no function

and i put int he exact same path i did when i used require

[naive aurora]

did you include the .lua file extension?

require doesn't need it, but NFS.load does iirc

[median pendant]

oh wow, well ill try that

now it works finally, thanks a lot. dll files still have to be loaded with require tho

[naive aurora]

yeah that's something else entirely

the filesystem restrictions don't matter for these

[median pendant]

ok so that won't change in the future?

[naive aurora]

👍

[median pendant]

yippeh

[flint pike]

Tried it out and it's actually very awesome, although it wish you could actually tell what item youve sent to other worlds + i wish the AP ticket said what item it would give upon purchase (similar to how black market in sonic adventure 2 AP has it)

making AP items appear as anything other than vouchers is probably not in the plans but i drew a tarot for it

[median pendant]

Lol that looks awesome

[median pendant]

Ill look into this, its definitely possible

[flint pike]

finished the other two consumables

[faint haven]

that looks so good

[flint pike]

• icon for AP unlock (instead of trophy)

[median pendant]

Oh yea the trophy is scuffed lol

Its the icon for when u get an achievement

But these are goated

[flint pike]

while i was doing the specrtal one i realized that the fool would break AP item if it were made into a tarot so oof 💀

and planet too

💀

maybe it could be made so they dont count for fool but yeah 💀

[faint haven]

the Perkeo in question:

[flint pike]

i wonder how archipelago reacts to the same item being redeemed a second time

maybe if it doesnt break you could just leave it as is

[flint pike]

ok i just remembered that the basegame already deals with perkeo in a simple way

it locks black hole and soul into booster packs

so if they dont change the fool's last card and are locked into boosters they should work w/o absolutely destroying the game

[median pendant]

oh idk if i was gonna make tarot/planet/spectral as AP items anyways, i thought the icons are made for when you unlock one of those cards

[flint pike]

it's good to have the art just in case

[median pendant]

but its kinda sad because you put the effort into making these cute cards

[flint pike]

I think they could make a good sanity option similar to how sonic adventure 2 has a bunch of locations that can be toggled (like chao key crates, golden beetles, animals, whistle pipes, chao leveling, etc) (can you tell sa2 is the only other ap game I play)

[median pendant]

yea tru, ill have to think about it a bit but i feel like it shouldn't be that different from how i implemented the voucher AP Items

but you have to be really crazy to set those to true as well

also the fool shouldnt break anything, the current game logic just takes the latest unchecked shop item and checks that

thats how i get to have one voucher that can potentially unlock every shop item and not have one game object for each shop check

[flint pike]

fool/perkeo could allow getting more cards than there are items in the pool but maybe it could be dealt with by making it so if you try to use an ap card and the pool is empty it'll or something like that

[median pendant]

yea if theres no unchecked items in the pool anymore it just wont do anything

but yea idk when or if ill implement that

its one of those niche features

[flint pike]

still very excited to have this mod exist at all, if there are any graphical assets the mod actually needs drawn, let me know

[karmic spear]

Archipelago Balatro wooooooooo

[flint pike]

on topic of actual features, i wish the "not connected" and "connected to [server]" text didnt persist into the actual gameplay

[median pendant]

Yea i can do that

[median pendant]

anybody know how i can change the icon for the unlock notifications? what do i set _atlas in create_UIBox_notify_alert to so it looks for the SMODS atlas thingy?

[flint pike]

currently trying to figure out that, but in worst case scenario AP mod can just override the basegame icon atlas with a modified version that adds the AP icon

^ after overriding the icon atlas the only code edit that would be required is changing {x = 3, y = 0} to point at whatever part of the icon atlas the AP logo would be added to

[median pendant]

yea i think that should be possible, i just dont really know how the entire logic with the atlas and icons works at all

[flint pike]

ok i figured out the thing + made the popup show the unlocks consumables/boosters
(already dm'd the code but saying that i want the code included in the mod here bcos server rules)

[flint pike]

updated iconto match the actual logo more (being all desaturated like that)

and on topic of actual features i think being able to disable certain stakes would be cool (like having an option to toggle whether a stake is unlocked or skipped, so you could for example have stake count = 4 where the stakes are white, black, orange and gold)

[median pendant]

i mean i can try but im not too confident about it

[naive aurora]

vanilla stakes are not even close to supporting this, but it shouldn't require too much effort to make it work due to the steamodded stake API we have

[median pendant]

is there any documentation on the stake API

[naive aurora]

just the code itself for now, no docs were provided when it was first made

[flint pike]

new release, including a bunch of stake features

[faint haven]

aw i've just finished an async for the day

[flint pike]

figuring out the stakes (and the rest of the game by extension) was really fun

[flint pike]

the new release is definitely incompatible with older worlds

testing would be appreciated because yeah

a very big update with a lot of features

[flint pike]

another release

• added new goal (unique wins: win with # unique combinations of deck and stake)

• added notifications for AP bonuses and traps (with custom art)

• added a lot of description texts for AP stuff (mostly lock messages, it's not just "AP item" anymore)

• russian localization

• german localization

• started work on challenges (although they're unplayable in the current version)

• AP items are now picked randomly and get rerolled if you don't buy them until the end of the ante (buying them also rerolls and restocks them next shop)

• modded items no longer appear in AP profile

• fixed some debuffed jokers having effects when they shouldnt

• fixes and improvements to APworld generation

• fix seed money and money tree not working properly with AP bonus interest

• legendary jokers and the soul now animate on the unlock notification

• the mod has been split into multiple files

• proper localization file support

• apworld code refactored

https://github.com/BurndiL/BalatroAP/releases

[faint haven]

yaey

[flint pike]

• galdur support
  (we had to do some bugfixes so i threw that in as a bonus)

[median pendant]

Archipelago/Randomizer

feel like this is a more fitting title now

[flint pike]

i was about to ask whether having the "(in alpha)" still makes sense lol

[median pendant]

right on time

[flint pike]

although why the slash

[median pendant]

um...

idk why not

what do you recommend instead

[flint pike]

its "archipelago randomizer", not "archipelago or randomizer" but yeah

[median pendant]

Archipelago Randomizer

[flint pike]

win

[clever bloom]

nah, i'd win

[flint pike]

currently working on ui

will probably rewrite this screen later down the line

compact version you get from the profile button

[flint pike]

the connect button just goes into the archipelago profile

also what you see when you look in the config when already connected

[dense patrol]

imagine the day where you can add modded items.. that would be fun

[median pendant]

maybe soon

[flint pike]

current config screen (that will be in the next release) has remove (completely eject from the game), lock (lets them load but locks them) and unlock(modded items are in and unlocked from the start)

modded items as a part of the ap pool are technically possible but that'll require a bunch of work

and currently archipelago doesnt cover the entirety of base game (challenges are still wip) so probably early for mod support

[median pendant]

oh yea true the challenges

keep forgetting about the challenges

[weary mortar]

Been having a great time with this mod so far, but I can't seem to figure out why the game keeps crashing on beating ante 8 when on the Beat Ante goal

[flint pike]

it seems like you're on an outdated version of the mod

the up to date version is 0.1.8 (idk why the one you have says 0.5.0, bcos that version number aplies to archipelago as a framework, not archipelago as the balatro mod)

[flint pike]

its unrelated to beat ante goal and has something to do with stakes and the conflicting implementation between the old balatro AP and new steamodded

balatro AP 0.1.8 is the hotfix version that should resolve this conflict

[weary mortar]

Ah the 0.5.0 was a manual change before understanding what the version requirements were pointing to

Never changed that back xD

[weary mortar]

I'll try this, thank you

[long timber]

Yo, since this isn't an alpha anymore apparently, should it be changed on this spreadsheet? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1733DtKxylcSmCxn216rOVkJNS-aezFu8nURRw86CjKc/edit?gid=58422002#gid=58422002

[median pendant]

it is still alpha I think

doesn't really matter tbh, it's still not polished right now (spad is doing their best to change that) so I would say it fits best in alpha

[flint pike]

i'd say it's more of a beta version than an alpha, but it's just semantics

at the end of the day its still in active development

[spiral moth]

Help, what's broken

My yaml for reference

(I'm on 0.1.8, if that changes anything)

[faint haven]

try updating ap

[spiral moth]

I'm on 0.4.6 and the yaml says that's the minimum...

[faint haven]

then try 0.5.0?

maybe

[spiral moth]

Nothing to lose, I suppose

Yep, that worked, soooooo the minimal version in the yaml is a lie lmao

[faint haven]

🥀

[median pendant]

the minimum should be 0.5.0 lol

might have to change that

maybe you have some outdated yaml

because the newest yaml has 0.5.0 set as min versoin

ye the one packaged with the newest release has 0.5.0 set i just double checked on github

[flint pike]

posting this here too

adding in-game hints

current branch only has them on card entities but they'll also be on decks and galdur stakes

[spiral moth]

But the one generated by your apworld (which is the one I use as a reference, like, always) generates as 0.4.6

Also, here's something I've noticed; your logic makes the game exceedingly hard by making assumptions that are straight up wrong, so I think some more "restrictions" have to be added (I'll explain with pics)

Universal Tracker tells me your logic says I could buy things at Red Stake, but I'm using vanilla unlocks, so before beating any deck there's no way I'm getting to the Red Stake shop, and your logic correctly reflects that I'm not supposed to beat any deck yet

This is further examplified by the playthrough generated with this seed, which basically says "hey after beating Checkered Ante 1 you should have access to Red Stake", which is, uh, not true at all

Though, to balance this, I gotta say, I think the concept is awesome and fun is definitely there

It's just madly difficult and, well, the logic is straight up wrong about what's doable in terms of stake shops

[median pendant]

why couldnt you reach red stake

i see no problem with the logic here

the requirements to beat ante 8 on white stake are met

and if you do that you get access to red stake

what item is missing for red stake in your opinion?

the logic is programmed in a way that if you can beat ante 8 on the previous stake (which requires 2 joker bundles or smth like that) the next stake is unlocked

and the playthrough just tells you what inlogic items you need for this

[spiral moth]

Red Stake is in logic while "Ante 3" is the furthest check in logic

If I begin a run and plug Universal Tracker into it, White Stake Boss 1 to 3 for the unlocked deck are in logic, and all stakes' shops

So unless UT is plain wrong, I think there's something that doesn't work in your logic's code

[median pendant]

might very well be the case

(that my code is wrong)

[spiral moth]

Also, check spheres 3 and 6: at sphere 3, I can beat Checkered Deck White Stake Ante 1. I can only beat that same deck+stake's combo Ante 5 in sphere 6. How, then, could I have accessed Red Stake shop before that?

[median pendant]

ye i see the mistake in my code, I simply forgot to add logic to the shop items there

well thanks for reporting this

happens when you have 3 different modes of unlocking stakes, you tend to forget one for a specific region

[spiral moth]

That's entirely fair!

Glad I could help find that, it felt difficult but not exactly in a fair way, so this explains that, clearly

[flint pike]

https://github.com/BurndiL/BalatroAP/releases/tag/v0.1.9

new release, doesnt include all of the features that were going to be in it but its still a pretty notable one

[spiral ginkgo]

new version's template yaml require lowest version of Archipelago as 0.5.1, but that version doesn't seem to be public
trying to change the requirement to 0.5.0 makes the generation to fail, don't remember what the errors are

[flint pike]

@median pendant strange apworld issue

[median pendant]

Lol.. well you can just change the "0.5.1" to "0.5.0" in the yaml

I run on the newest archipelago version so it autofills it... might have to find a way to change that

Ill update the release yaml soon to make it compatible with 0.5.0

wait i just read the second part of the message

um... it used to work on 0.5.0

ill test

[spiral ginkgo]

yeah, I guessed so, but since my group and I can't find Archipelago 0.5.1, I tried something

[median pendant]

ye 0.5.1 is running the newest branch on github from source with python, but i dont want anybody to go through the pain of doing this obviously

[spiral ginkgo]

ah ! I see

[median pendant]

i see the error, its really cringe

i should probably update the apworld for this

ok the issue is actually in the yaml lol

ok so all you have to do is to go in the launcher and click on "generate template options" to get a valid one

or just use this yaml (they should be identical)

sorry, you'll have to put in the options again

[spiral ginkgo]

no problems !

[median pendant]

but copy paste is probably possible

[spiral ginkgo]

thanks a lot !

[median pendant]

ok it generates for me

also updated the yaml in the release, i think most people will play on 0.5.0

[spiral ginkgo]

it seems that "tarot_bundle" and "spectral_bundle" parameters are mixed up

  tarot_bundle:
    # Instead of making every tarot card an individual item, you have the option to put them all in one bundle, 
    # that gets placed in the world.
    # There is also the possibility to make custom bundles (not recommended).
    individual: 50
    one_bundle: 0
    custom_bundles: 0

  planet_bundle:
    # Instead of making every planet card an individual item, you have the option to put them all in one bundle, 
    # that gets placed in the world.
    # There is also the possibility to make custom bundles (not recommended).
    individual: 50
    one_bundle: 0
    custom_bundles: 0

  spectral_bundle:
    # Instead of making every spectral card an individual item, you have the option to put them all in one bundle, 
    # that gets placed in the world.
    # There is also the possibility to make custom bundles (not recommended).
    individual: 50
    one_bundle: 0
    custom_bundles: 0

this resulted in planets being individual but spectrals and tarots were both using a single bundle each

also had the game crash from hovering AP item vouchers after buying the 1st one

[flint pike]

do you have the logs

they should be at Mods/lovely/logs

[spiral ginkgo]

let me see if I can recover them

yeah, can't find them anymore, forgot to save them before deleteting mod folder to go back to a vanilla Balatro

[flint pike]

you don't have to delete the mod folder to go back to vanilla, just renaming version.dll should do the trick

[median pendant]

Weird i thought i fixed that already. Really busy rn because of personal stuff but maybe ill look into it soon

[spiral ginkgo]

I made a script to generate a backup of vanilla and overwrite it with a modded version and another one to wipe that folder and recreate it from the backup
that's why it gets deleted but will try with just the dll

[spiral ginkgo]

[flint pike]

very late on this but did the item that crash the game send a hint to the server?

someone else reported the same issue and looking at their logs didn't provide us with any info because it's a stack overflow, so rn trying to gather any other info on this

[spiral ginkgo]

yeah, it did

when hovering it, the server gets the hint, the UI display the box and starts to display the text
then the game close

[flint pike]

hmm

what item was in the hint btw

[spiral ginkgo]

just remembered about it, but when the game did that at some point, I also lost the stake I already finished

errrr

there were a lot of them

[flint pike]

I mean the one that was sent to the server before the crash

[spiral ginkgo]

there were Doom items, Zelda items, Pokemon items and also Balatro items

it did to all of them after the 1st, so 29 voucher

since we gave up trying to do them all after the 5th crash, there was something like "Box of Shotguns", "PP Up" or "Red Deck"

we first thought it was a character size limit, since the 1st crash was on a doom map which has a huge name
but this happening to Balatro items too, that's probably not it

[flint pike]

it seems like sending the hints is what breaks it

[spiral ginkgo]

without looking the code, our best guest was that getting the 1st voucher doesn't fully update everything and fails when accessing datas of the next ones

also, all hints were correct
correct player, item and check name

[flint pike]

to me it seems like it's specifically the hint sending part that's failing

Not sure why though

[flint pike]

the issue should be avoidable by disabling item names in the config

I'll try investigating the issue later

[spiral ginkgo]

okay
next time I'll re-do a similar run should be this weekend, so will try then

on a different topic, is it possible to force a specific joker to be unlocked from start (even though Joker Bundles are enabled) ?

[flint pike]

not sure about compatibility with bundles but you should be able to just put the joker name into starting inventory

[spiral ginkgo]

I tried putting it in "start_inventory", but the generation fails

[flint pike]

idk if it's the bundles but make sure the joker name is inputted correctly

[spiral ginkgo]

yeah, it's the right name
guess it just doesn't work with bundles then

[flint pike]

@median pendant starting inventory and bundles seem to be incompatible

should probably check that

[spiral ginkgo]

if needed, that's the yaml I tried to generate with

[median pendant]

weird

i'll look into it

[flint pike]

is start inventory supposed to be {}?

[median pendant]

honestly ive never done anything with start inventory, forgot that existed

its supposed to be []

[flint pike]

both this and the template have start inventory as {}

[flint pike]

template has it as {}

[median pendant]

what the fuck

[flint pike]

at least the one attached to the release

[median pendant]

oh hm, then its right i guess

[spiral ginkgo]

I don't remember if I tried with [], but it did look odd

[median pendant]

oh wait you're using joker bundles?

[spiral ginkgo]

yeah

objective is to use bundle but have Showman unlocked to have repeat of the few jokers unlocked with a single bundle

[median pendant]

yea

can you try it (just for testing) to turn off joker bundles and generate again

[spiral ginkgo]

I can't right now, but will do when I get home which will be in about 7 hours

[median pendant]

oh well then ill just do it

ok this is the correct syntax

didn't know this either, interesting I guess

the 1 is for the amount of times you wanna have this item, so you could do like permanent_hand_upgrade: 5if you'd want to

(item name made up in this case)

[flint pike]

strange, I don't remember it being like that

[median pendant]

idk ive never used the feature

but i just looked at what hollow knight does

[spiral ginkgo]

does it work with bundles then ?

[median pendant]

Yup

[spiral ginkgo]

[spiral ginkgo]

during my previous run with disabling the item name in config, I got a game crash from hovering a The Fool while my previous tarot card used was an Archipelago Tarot
I still had 4 Archipelago Tarot available

here is the log file

oh yeah !
forgot about it last time but there seems to be a few issue with stakes :
Black Stake doesn't have Green Stake scaling but has Orange Stake perishable stickers.
it feels like it considers Black Stake to be with White, Red and Orange instead of White, Red and Green

[flint pike]

will look into it

the stakes not working is strange bcos the way it works should keep the actual modifiers

[flint pike]

like why would that even be the case, it shouldn't call loc_vars to begin with

https://tenor.com/view/too-much-rain-mei-my-neighbor-totoro-rain-over-the-rain-gif-13595855

the fool crashing is like 1 line fix there but like WHY

[flint pike]

@spiral ginkgo atm not home so I'm unable to test changes rn but this should fix the fool issue + I removed some code related to hints that could've been problematic, so you can try to check what happens with names on

as for the stakes I haven't even looked into that yet but will when I get to my computer

I'll probably get home before you (in a few hours) so I'll do the testing myself

[flint pike]

it seems im unable to reproduce the item name crash

[flint pike]

someone else tested this and it worked

this required removing my system of checking for duplicate hint calls, but tbh i shouldnt have even placed that system there because thats an issue for ap client lua team to fix, not us

[flint pike]

which they did

everyone will have to update their AP client lib with the upcoming update

[heavy pine]

needa remind myself to do this when i have time

[flint pike]

I still need to fix up the current version, I should have enough time today

[spiral ginkgo]

just spent about 30 minutes trying to connect to a server at the beginning of a multiworld
everything was okay on both side, even already played multiple time connected to the same server and even did so the previous day

joined are all the logs from that moment
I still haven't managed to connect and decided to stop

[flint pike]

@median pendant you know anythin about Socket error: TLS handshake failed?

[median pendant]

hm i get that when i connect to a server running on my pc, but it usually resolves itself after a few seconds

[spiral ginkgo]

I always have that issue, be a friend's server or a local server
it usually takes between 5 and 10 minutes to finally connect

however, if I already have items unlocked (for example after a crash mid-run), the connection succeed instantly

[median pendant]

thats weird....

because when you connect to a archipelago.gg server it connects instantly

maybe its a plugin issue, i doubt that balatro or our code has anything to do with that, the code just calls the API methods to connect and stuff

[spiral ginkgo]

I'm only using what's asked for in the git

[median pendant]

yea

do you have the recent version there? honestly just grasping for straws here because no idea

[spiral ginkgo]

yeah, 0.1.9b
also had the issue in 0.1.8 and 0.1.9

[median pendant]

ok so I tested some of the bugs and spad told me what to change, stakes crashes and debuff not working should be fixed in this, will soon also be on github probably

[heavy pine]

just a question, does this work with other mods? or just vanilla

[spiral moth]

If you try to add content it most likely will break the thing, QoL like Score Preview and the speed mod and that sorta thing do work

(I've tested Dimserene's Vanilla+ pack and it seemed all good)

[flint pike]

there's an option to allow modded content to spawn but that's as far as we plan going with mod support for now
we're considering adding proper mod support (as in making the modded items a part of the archipelago) but the earliest we're doing anything with that is after the 2025 update

[heavy pine]

absolutely fair, it sounds like a lot of work

[sudden timber]

is this up to date? i am lazy to join the after dark archipelago server

actually i don't wanna wait for a response either so lmao

[trim leaf]

It just updated to better-calc today.

Like an hour before your comment.

[flint pike]

https://github.com/BurndiL/BalatroAP/releases/latest

it's on better calc now and the major issues have been ironed out

[surreal quest]

[flint pike]

minor issues were found so a hotfix is on the way

[rare torrent]

Hey, so I just updated to v0.1.9d. Is the option reset/delete your archipelago profile supposed to be grayed out?

Everything else seems to work fine

[flint pike]

yes because the game now automatically deletes that profile

everything AP needs is stored on the server

[median pendant]

oh yea, maybe we should mention it here as well, this thread is kinda dead and the main thread moved from the Archipelago After Dark discord server to the main Archipelago discord because of the new PEGI rating.