#[WIP] Phantom Thieves - 10/22 Jokers done

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willow finch
south cove
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persona

willow finch
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that is the inspiration, yeah

south cove
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these effects are

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strange

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in designing the cards this way you lock out a lot of crossmod and vanilla+mod synergies

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the joker pool can get so large that it's not really an option to get jokers from only one mod

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the token system can work in some cases but in most cases i feel like it's just not necessary

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and even in the synergies between these cards you're forced to use a fuckton of different tarots that spreads you thin between a bunch of enhancements

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also none of these give chips or mult except chief and back alley doctor, and some of these are fucking busted

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each token reduces the required score of the next blind by 2%-

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oh no

south cove
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this was on ante 9

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you have a strange obsession with "each token adds a 5% chance to"

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which makes them all luck based and feel unrewarding to pick up

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especially when they take up a joker slot

willow finch
willow finch
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i want these Jokers to help reach Higher Antes

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some blind ideas are thought to be Ante > 8 only

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Robin Hood is OP because || it spawn the Akechi boss blind if it has 3 tokens or more ||

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the idea is that The Betrayal boss blind is hidden by another boss blind, and shows itself only when you start playing it

ancient heath
willow finch
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ok I'm remaking the effect of the Jokers from scratch. Stay tuned

willow finch
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[Concepting] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers

willow finch
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Here's the Phantom Thieves Jokers!
The mod adds 22 new Jokers (11 common, 6 uncommon, 4 rare, 1 legendary), one for each Tarot card.
Each Joker's effect upgrades every time the corresponding Tarot is used, from Rank 1 to Rank 10.
The purpose of this mod is to involve players to choose different Tarots other than only Death, Hanged Man and Temperance.

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Here's an example of a Phantom Thieves Joker (absolutely not definitive, I'm not good at drawing).
It shows on the top the number of the corresponding Tarot and on the bottom left the current Rank

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Some Jokers have the ability to Evolve once they reach the higher ranks

pale oasis
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feels like the scaling is a little slow

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on zorro

willow finch
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yeah?

pale oasis
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i suggest getting rid of the mults, as thunk doesnt like a joker having 2 "function"

limber locust
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hand size + chips + mult is also...

willow finch
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and it uses the most difficult Tarot to get in the game

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which is Fool because, you know, you can't copy it with Fool

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also the numbers on the effects are far from exact as I have to test it, but I can't write mods so...

pale oasis
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you need to use 2 empress to make milady as good as golden_joker

limber locust
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also, fool gives you 2 "level ups" due to using 2 cards after all

pale oasis
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the mults feels out of place

limber locust
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it feels like a filler

willow finch
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yeah but without the Mult the jokers have no use

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you have to use many tarots to rank them up

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without the score increase you would get using other jokers, feels like no win is coming from these

pale oasis
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i think its good enough(with a few buffs) without some +mults

limber locust
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exactly

willow finch
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so better effects and no mult?

pale oasis
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yes

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now johanna is way worse than hanging chad, i suggest to make it hanging chad first and go from there

willow finch
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k

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I just changed Zorro

pale oasis
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zorro could change every 2 ranks, for example rank 5, create a planet cardof played hand, rank 7, create bla bla ,1 in 2 chance to create 2 of them instead

willow finch
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see now

pale oasis
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midway through the ranks miladys effect could change into after every hand played

willow finch
pale oasis
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its late here i should go to sleep

willow finch
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gn mate

pale oasis
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gn

limber locust
sullen tapir
willow finch
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UPDATE: 11/22 Jokers' concepts made

  • The Contract ✅
  • Zorro ✅
  • Johanna ✅
  • Milady ✅
  • Goemon
  • Chief ✅
  • Carmen ✅
  • Captain Kidd ✅
  • Robin Hood ✅
  • Necronomicon ✅
  • Fortune Teller
  • Twins ✅
  • Weapons Dealer
  • Back Alley Doctor
  • Teacher ✅
  • Paparazza
  • Skilled Gamer
  • Shogi Player
  • Admin
  • Man of the People
  • Prosecutor
  • Arsène
willow finch
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Also added 10 new Blinds connected to the Jokers

willow finch
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and now ALL JOKERS ARE DONE

pale oasis
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prosecutor is not a common lmao

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foil, poly, and the other one is way too good for a common

willow finch
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so I have to reduce the power

pale oasis
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man of the people is infinite money with the 2 voucher

willow finch
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no no, you can't have -1$ rerolls

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minimum would be 0$

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but the next reroll is always 1$ more

pale oasis
pale oasis
willow finch
pale oasis
willow finch
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I just need to change the abilities

pale oasis
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yea lowering the chance could work

willow finch
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at rank 10 I keep the 100% chance to do that? or I keep like a 1 in 2/3?

pale oasis
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maybe arsene could copy the joker to ours right too at rank 7 or something

willow finch
pale oasis
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teacher is very good early bad in endgame

willow finch
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just increasing the mult?

pale oasis
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🤷‍♂️

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don't think+mult it's good in endgame

willow finch
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Xchips instead?

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so i keep one thing for the Joker?

pale oasis
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yess

willow finch
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and is essentially the same?

pale oasis
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yes the joker give chips so x chips is not far off

willow finch
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done

pale oasis
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robin hood could give a tarot and a 1 in 5 chance to give another at rank 4/5

willow finch
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don't you think that the Useful Tarot is enough?

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useful means one connected to your jokers

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like if you have Arsène, then The World is a useful Tarot

pale oasis
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effect not changing for several ranks bothers me but that's just me tho if you want to keep it that way you do you

willow finch
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oh wait it's true

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I was reading Necronomicon the whole time

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and I didn't notice

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maybe switch to Each Hand played at rank 5?

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the idea is that you don't want to keep this Joker

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the abilities must be better than other Jokers

pale oasis
willow finch
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There must be a way that you see a normal Boss Blind while in the shop, then when you play it becomes The Betrayal

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so you don't expect it

pale oasis
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and I think the rest are great

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this is a cool mod, even though it's still concepting

willow finch
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yeah I'm not good at lua

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hoping for some help from someone gooder

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also, which one is better?

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conceptually speaking, these are not Final

willow finch
willow finch
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Here's the Legendary reworked

limber locust
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yippieee

willow finch
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please

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also, new Tarots

south cove
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on my way to open a tarot pack

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and get tarots that are entirely useless if you don't have a pt joker

willow finch
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there should be a function that makes some consumables show up only if you have the Jokers for it

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like Gros Michel and Cavendish

willow finch
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Started adding the Jokers

willow finch
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HELP NEEDED
How can I write the inside of this function?

function createMostUsedTarot()
willow finch
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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers

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[WIP - NEED MODDERS] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers

willow finch
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SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED THE FIRST JOKERS
Robin Hood, Loki and Hereward have now been fully added to the game

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[WIP - MODDERS NEEDED] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers (3/41 added)

willow finch
willow finch
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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers (3/41 added)

willow finch
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Started adding these Jokers

willow finch
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Updates

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I have implemented the Rank system, and now whenever you Rank Up a Joker, its number will change too

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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers (6/41 added)

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[WIP] [ARTISTS NEEDED] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers (6/41 added)

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Now Milady, Astarte, Lucy, Robin Hood, Loki and Hereward are fully functional

merry sparrow
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Hey I was tagged about this modding thread, is this just making Jokers of Persona related characters?

willow finch
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oh yes

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I just coded the "Back Alley Doctor" Joker

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[WIP] [ARTISTS NEEDED] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers (7/41 added)

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all these Jokers are fully functioning

merry sparrow
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so are you devolping a new system to make these cards more powerful?

willow finch
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yes, it's called Rank Up!, inspired by the game

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if you have a Joker and use the Tarot linked to that Joker, then it ranks up

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and its ability becomes more powerful

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Some Jokers can also change, like Personas in the game when you rank up to 10 the confidants

willow finch
# willow finch

In this photo, you can see that I added these Jokers. In the shop and in the packs you can only find Rank 1 Jokers, and you'll have to rank them up. When Milady gets to rank 9 it evolves to Astarte, and then when it goes to rank 10 it evolves to Lucy

frank girder
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@empty geyser

empty geyser
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You should add Fox

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Or uh whatever the persona is called I forgot

willow finch
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this one?

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yeah it's in the to-do list

willow finch
willow finch
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i am in desperate need of artists

empty geyser
merry sparrow
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are you doing the pixel art by hand or just doing a pixel art filter over pre-existing artwork/renders?

willow finch
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I'm not god with pixel art

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or any art in general

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and the sprites are not final, the art is just a placeholder to remember which Jokers I coded and which not

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plus, the 1x file is just the 2x file resized

willow finch
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Twins and Lavenza added

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[WIP] [ARTISTS NEEDED] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers 9/41 added)

merry sparrow
willow finch
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it causes a game crash when you have "Lavenza", lose and start a new game so I'll have to change the code

merry sparrow
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Oh nice, I want to learn Lua so I might be much help with the problem but I can take a look

willow finch
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i'm learning lua by making this mod so don't worry

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ok I solved the problem

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the problem was this: when the run ends and you start a new one, the game runs remove_from_deck to all the owned jokers, activating their ability, which is the function PT_Twins_RemoveJokerSlots(card,rank) which checks the Rank of the card to know how many joker slots to remove. But if the run is ended, the card's ability becomes null and the game crashes because it tries to do if null == 3

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publishing the new version on github right now...

willow finch
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Released the v0.3.1 version that adds Twins and Lavenza jokers

GitHub

VERSION 0.3.1
This release adds:

Twins and Lavenza Jokers and abilities
Bug fixes

Note to all of you reading this: if you want to help with the mod development or the sprites design, feel free to...

willow finch
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You can see all Jokers' abilities here

willow finch
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Working for the Magician Arcana's Jokers

willow finch
limber locust
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3

willow finch
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perfect

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so this one

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got it

limber locust
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no thats 4

willow finch
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no

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this is 4

willow finch
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I'm undecided between these two. Do you guys think the numbers should have the same color of the base card?

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also: new art for Milady, Astarte and Lucy here

pale oasis
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first one looks better, but has less visibility(depends)

willow finch
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PROGRESS REPORT
I still need to add Zorro's ability

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also did the art of Bad Alley Doctor and reworked the arts of the Justice jokers

merry sparrow
# willow finch 1 or 2?

Try having it with the butterfly in the top left and lavenza at the bottom right up right?

merry sparrow
willow finch
merry sparrow
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Yeah the top one is better in my opinion

willow finch
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for me too

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thanks for that

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version 1 or 2?

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I onestly think 1 is better

merry sparrow
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Yeah 1 is better

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It’s weird to have just 1 “JOKER” under the wing

willow finch
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Here they are

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I still need to code the Magician's abilities

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I need these functions for that

function createRandomPlanet()
function createPlanetForLastHandPlayed(normal or negative)
willow finch
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[WIP] [ARTISTS NEEDED] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers 12/41 added)

south cove
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two negative planets for played hand should be a rare

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that is a crazy strong effect

willow finch
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i think using 10 specific tarots with a specific joker in hand is not a "crazy strong" effect

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but I value your opinion

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I could change Mercurius to do 1 normal + 1 chance for negative

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and zorro to 1 normal + 1 negative

willow finch
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Chariot Arcana is fully implemented

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[WIP] [ARTISTS NEEDED] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers 15/41 added)

willow finch
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[WIP] [ARTISTS NEEDED] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers 17/41 added)

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Added Tower and Star Arcana

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Next on the list:

  • Teacher: Played cards give +20 chips when scored
  • Paparazza: Reduce required chip score of Blinds by 10%
  • Necronomicon: Creates a random Tarot card at the end of the round
  • ...
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The Joker becomes stronger during the run, increasing its power from 10% up to 50%

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Remember that when you vote

willow finch
willow finch
# willow finch

calling the almighty @south cove here to give their opinion

willow finch
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for the the happiness of @empty geyser, the next Jokers i'm adding are the Fox ones

willow finch
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it shouldn't be too difficult to implement their abilities

willow finch
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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers 20/41 added)

willow finch
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@empty geyser waiting for your reaction

willow finch
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did some testing with the PT Jokers and I overwrote 4/5 records

willow finch
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Temperance Joker Added

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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - Use Tarots to rank up your Jokers 21/41 added)

willow finch
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an utility mod that will significantly make easier the creation of future mods

red veldt
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bug report: the back alley doctor joker appears to be not doing anything at all. (while it displays its +chips properly, it doesn't actually add any chips during scoring)

merry sparrow
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is their a download link to the mod?

willow finch
red veldt
willow finch
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tomorrow the mod development will resume 🎉

willow finch
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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - REMAKE

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This mod will be re-created from scratch

oblique dragon
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😭

willow finch
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don't worry, I'm not developing other mods and am 100% invested in this project

willow finch
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Remaking them

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BEYOND MAX is what keeps them scaling even after Rank MAX:
Rank stays MAX but their effect continues to upgrade each X uses of their tarot

willow finch
willow finch
willow finch
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Igor and Zorro are fully functional!

willow finch
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Johanna added and fully functional

willow finch
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Milady added and fully functional

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I'm stopping for now, I'll publish the work I did till now

willow finch
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Goemon added and fully functional

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@empty geyser can be happy again

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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - 4/22 Jokers done

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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - 5/22 Jokers done

empty geyser
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Only Ws

willow finch
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Barista added and fully functional

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it's incredible how there is no other Sojiro art other than this

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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - 6/22 Jokers done

willow finch
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I'll skip Carmen for now because I need all other Jokers + UI knowledge which I do not possess

merry sparrow
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when we download the mod do you want us to use the Source Code form the new link or the old release?

willow finch
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the releases before the remake are listed as OLD on Github

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now I'm working on a new release for the 6 jokers I created

willow finch
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Build2-Ver1.0 IS OUT

Here is the content currently added:

Jokers

  • Igor, the Legendary Fool Joker
  • Zorro, the Uncommon Magician Joker
  • Johanna, the Uncommon High Priestess Joker
  • Milady, the Uncommon Empress Joker
  • Goemon, the Uncommon Emperor Joker
  • Barista, the Common Hierophant Joker

Decks

  • Phantom Deck: "Start with Igor, +1 consumable slot"

Tarot

  • Vanilla, modification to the art of vanilla Tarots

Options

The main file Phantom Thieves.lua has a starting section called -- MOD SETTINGS where you can change the options:

  • Debug is for showing debug messages on the console. It can be true or false. It is set to false by default.
  • UpdateVanillaTarots is for changing the art of vanilla Tarots. It can be false, 'Semi' or 'Full'. It is set to 'Full' by default.
willow finch
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Captain Kidd added and fully functional

willow finch
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Robin Hood added and fully functional

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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - 8/22 Jokers done

willow finch
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Necronomicon added and fully functional

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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - 9/22 Jokers done

willow finch
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Prophetess added and fully functional

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[WIP] Phantom Thieves - 10/22 Jokers done

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Build3-Ver1.0 IS OUT

Here is the content currently added:

Jokers

  • Igor, the Legendary Fool Joker
  • Zorro, the Uncommon Magician Joker
  • Johanna, the Uncommon High Priestess Joker
  • Milady, the Uncommon Empress Joker
  • Goemon, the Uncommon Emperor Joker
  • Barista, the Common Hierophant Joker
  • Captain Kidd, the Rare Chariot Joker
  • Robin Hood, the Uncommon Justice Joker
  • Necronomicon, the Uncommon Hermit Joker
  • Prophetess, the Common Wheel of Fortune Joker

Decks

  • Phantom Deck: "Start with Igor, +1 consumable slot"

Tarot

  • Vanilla, modification to the art of vanilla Tarots

Options

The main file Phantom Thieves.lua has a starting section called -- MOD SETTINGS where you can change the options:

  • Debug is for showing debug messages on the console. It can be true or false. It is set to true by default.
  • UpdateVanillaTarots is for changing the art of vanilla Tarots. It can be false, 'Semi' or 'Full'. It is set to 'Full' by default.
willow finch
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Wardens added and fully functional

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Weapons Dealer added and fully functional

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Back Alley Doctor added and fully functional

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Teacher added and fully functional

willow plume
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hi I keep getting the can't find atlas error

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can you help please

willow finch
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maybe you are playing with low definition

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I still haven't made those sprites

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just play with high definition for now

pure pendant
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really cool joker set. reminds me of quest cards in hearthstone. keep it up!

willow plume
willow plume
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thank you so much its working now :)

terse torrent
willow finch
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guys I'm back from vacation ❤️

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thanks for all the love and support

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this mod's development will continue now

ebon bear
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hi

willow finch
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Paparazza added and fully functional

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just 7 more Jokers and the mod is basically complete

willow finch
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Skilled Gamer added and fully functional

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Shogi Player added and fully functional

willow finch
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Build4-Ver1.0 IS OUT

Here is the content currently added:

Jokers

  • Igor, the Legendary Fool Joker
  • Zorro, the Uncommon Magician Joker
  • Johanna, the Uncommon High Priestess Joker
  • Milady, the Uncommon Empress Joker
  • Goemon, the Uncommon Emperor Joker
  • Barista, the Common Hierophant Joker
  • Captain Kidd, the Rare Chariot Joker
  • Robin Hood, the Uncommon Justice Joker
  • Necronomicon, the Uncommon Hermit Joker
  • Prophetess, the Common Wheel of Fortune Joker
  • Wardens, the Rare Strength Joker
  • Weapons dealer, the Common Hanged Man Joker
  • Teacher, the Common Temperance Joker
  • Paparazza, the Common Devil Joker
  • Skilled Gamer, the Common Tower Joker
  • Shogi Player, the Common Star Joker

Decks

  • Phantom Deck: "Start with Igor, +1 consumable slot"

Tarot

  • Vanilla, modification to the art of vanilla Tarots

Options

The main file Phantom Thieves.lua has a starting section called -- MOD SETTINGS where you can change the options:

  • Debug is for showing debug messages on the console. It can be true or false. It is set to true by default.
  • UpdateVanillaTarots is for changing the art of vanilla Tarots. It can be false, 'Semi' or 'Full'. It is set to 'Full' by default.
willow finch
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I don't like the Admin's effect

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i'm trying to come up with a new one

hollow spruce
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looking forward to seeing this develop

worn silo
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prisma totem
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hello will this ever be done

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or does the development eternally resumes tomorrow

willow finch
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I didn't know there were people waiting for this to be completed

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I might resume the work