Blank Joker (Idea)

[rotund nova]

I have no idea how to make it work, but I was wanting to make a Joker that has a 1 in 2 chance of copying the ability of a different Joker you have, and rerolls itself after each hand. I do wanna learn how, but I have no experience with coding.

I adjusted the wording, because I felt like it might have been unclear.

(Did it again, as I kinda wanted it to be a less reliable take on Blueprint).

I'm thinking that it shouldn't be able to target Blueprint or Brainstorm in order to keep its somewhat random theme in mind.

[slate rune]

how about instead of making it luck based, just make it copy a random joker that changes each round

the wording could go like this

Copies a random held Joker's ability
Changes each round

that could be cool as a visual indicatator as to what the Joker is copying

and the rarity could either be Uncommon or Rare

Uncommon because of the uncertainty that it brings or rare because of the fact that it can copy a random Joker's oh which may be a legendary joker's ability that it's copying unless ofc it's Chicot

[rotund nova]

I was thinking that it changing it each hand was better, as it would make it more erratic.

[rotund nova]

Yes

[untold reef]

Maybe add a (currently X)

[rotund nova]

Imagine how Wee Joker would look inside of it.

I'd like to see an alt version with "changes every hand" instead.

[untold reef]

Could show the joker it's copying's description as one of the popup descriptions beside it

[slate rune]

hmm wouldn't that be too chaotic?

[rotund nova]

I've seen some mods that just have a less-balanced version up for download.

[slate rune]

you can't control what joker it will copy next even when in tight situations

[honest siren]

a) yes
b) you have to check for context.setting_blind for when a blind is being selected; I believe there’s something similar for when the cards are drawn but I don’t remember the name

calculate = function(self, card, context)
    if context.setting_blind then
        --write effect code here
    end
end

No

It triggers whenever calculate() is called, which is on any action

You use context to figure out if it’s on hand played

The vast majority of joker effects are calculated like this

soul_pos = {x = 0, y = 0},

This is all you need to set up a soul sprite in the code

It doesn’t look like Steamodded has support for using two different atlas yet

So what you’d need to do is copy the atlas from the game files and add the Blank Joker sprite to it

Then when you select a joker to copy, it should look for its pos and set that as its soul_pos

To get the effect you want, you may also need to write some lovely patches to render the other joker smaller than usual

I did some messing around with soul drawing code for Cryptid and you could probably just change the base value of the variable scale_mod for that

https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/blob/main/lovely.toml

Line 36 is the relevant patch

Hologram shader could also go hard with that (and it’s handled the same way)

One step at a time, ye

What part are you saving, the name or the entire card data?

It should be a variable that you can replace with soul_pos

Something like card.pos or card.config.pos

[honest siren]

Take a look at Dropshot from my mod

https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/blob/main/Items/MiscJokers.lua

You’ll have to do something similar but with the joker ID instead of the suit name

The suit is selected dynamically like the joker would be

And I have to run it through localization

[rotund nova]

Wouldn't the little side tooltip be nice to help ensure better mod compatibility?

Fair enough.

I didn't think this would be as complicated as it seems to be.

Then again, I'm basically at the level of coding equivalent to "i don't know how to make a double piston extender in Minecraft".

[honest siren]

Ohhhh

that for jokers is not fun

I got it working with a specific joker and I had to use lovely patches and it wouldn’t be easily extensible to any joker like what you want

[rotund nova]

Is lua that bad?

Ohhhh.

[honest siren]

Well the docs is incomplete and what you have left is just a random game dev’s code

Which is not easily designed to support mods

You should’ve seen what it was like in the days of the demo

[honest siren]

Joker API wasn’t even a thing yet (though not many ppl tried adding jokers)

X is background color, V doesn’t matter for what you’re trying to do

For Dropshot it’s used to get the color of the suit correctly

C:inactive makes the text that light color for things like (Currently: )

That’s for the loc_vars

Idk how exactly localization works for jokers but you’ll have to find the Joker’s ID and pass it in with the right parameters

{C:inactive}Currently: #1# can work for the string

Yes

But use inactive instead of grey

Also add one space before and after since the game uses that for padding in other cases

Something like "{X:inactive,C:white} Currently: #1# "

[honest siren]

Look at Dropshot

I use a default value if the card is nil

And then you’d need to find the ID and use the localize() function to get the name

You would need to wrap anything you want to vary in loc_vars

Something like <has a copied joker> and "" or "Copies the ability"

Basically it won’t print out anything if isn’t copying anything, but it’ll print “Copies the ability” if you’re in the collection

It’s the equivalent of a ternary operator in Lua

There’s probably an easier way that the smart people in #⚙・modding-general know about for swapping out two descriptions but this is one way that…works

Ah

You’d probably want to wrap that check around each part of the last line

So like {C:inactive}#1#{X:inactive,C:white}#2#{C:inactive}#3# (#2# is your current check)

That might be a bad way of doing it but basically you’re just making everything a loc_var

and checking if it should be displayed before displaying it in the loc_vars function

The easier way is to just display a default in the collection like every other similar joker does

so you can just write {what you’d normally display} or "Joker"

might need to check a few tables up if they’re defined so you don’t index a nil value

[honest siren]

You should only need to do something like this

It has to be returned in this format:

return {vars = {var1, var2, var3}}

Vars is just trying to replace #1#

So you’d just do util.is_in_your_collection and "Joker" or (joker stuff)

Also you will probably want to localize that

Why are you doing this

But yeah it’s pain

The UI library sucks too

[honest siren]

Save it in card.ability

[honest siren]

Just write something like card.ability.copied_joker = other_joker when you pick a joker to copy in calculate()

You might need to pull from P_CENTERS to grab all that again

Or if you’re copying a Joker you have, maybe just save its name and sort_id which you can reference later

Those are in joker.ability.name and joker.sort_id

sort_id is unique for each card, hence why I recommend it

No

Just iterate through G.jokers.cards until it has a matching sort_id

[rotund nova]

I never thought to include Blueprint or Brainstorm in the list of Jokers it could copy.

[untold reef]

Now do a joker that has a soul position like hologram

[rotund nova]

YOOOOOOOOO

[rotund nova]

How's it going?

[honest siren]

The person who was coding it got false banned and unbanned which is why all their messages vanished

But iirc they got the thing where you can visually see what joker Blank Joker is copying working

[rotund nova]

Ahhhh...

[reef solstice]

Indeed, the visuals aren't just 100% how I want them yet

I can't get them to scale down properly

[reef solstice]

PROGRESS has been made.

[rotund nova]

YOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[tawdry wing]

wow

[reef solstice]

We ballin

[rotund nova]

Might I request a standalone version of the Blank Joker?

I remember seeing something about a mod thing with the screenshots that got wiped, and I'm down for it being there, but I do wanna experiment with the Blank Joker on its own.

[reef solstice]

sure

[reef solstice]

I'll finish it up, clean up the code and then send you a zip

[rotund nova]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-ok-great-good-thumbs-up-gif-16351183

[reef solstice]

Me when I forget to push the code and hence cannot work on it @ work

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pain-payne-tigger-gif-20052259

[reef solstice]

Aight, I think everything is functional now

I'll write a little standalone

[reef solstice]

https://github.com/GitNether/nethers-jokers/releases/tag/blank-joker-standalone

@rotund nova ^

[honest siren]

for some reason it won't load the custom shader

[reef solstice]

Yeah I just tested it aswell, hold up

(Me when I release a mod that crashes your game)

Me when I dont add the code to inject the shader

smh my head

[rotund nova]

https://tenor.com/view/bsod-gif-26376970

[reef solstice]

Aight, its updated kids

[honest siren]

perfect, now I can put it in my modpack

[reef solstice]

!!!

[honest siren]

which is literally just installing every 1.0 mod until it breaks

[reef solstice]

lmao

[honest siren]

(hasn't broken yet)

oh

[reef solstice]

erm, what the sigma

[reef solstice]

its working for me!!! your fault

(what build steamodded are you on)

[honest siren]

0531a

[reef solstice]

?!

[honest siren]

the update to Steamodded literally just lets achievement enabler work

[reef solstice]

You have all the files?

[honest siren]

wait where are you installing Blank Joker?

are you putting it in its own folder?

[reef solstice]

Mods/standalone_blankjoker/(code in here)

[honest siren]

ok maybe it's because I didn't delete the old version

[reef solstice]

Yeah, probably

(copium)

[rotund nova]

Damn, it crashed.

[honest siren]

no that didn't fix it

[reef solstice]

You get the same error?

[rotund nova]

What's the error specifically?

[reef solstice]

^

[honest siren]

bad argument #1 to 'newShader'

[rotund nova]

So I can compare mine.

[reef solstice]

Just show me yours

[honest siren]

wait I have an idea

of how we might be able to fix this

lemme try it

[reef solstice]

Aye captain

[reef solstice]

You're not on Steamodded 1.0.0

[rotund nova]

Oh. Do I just slap Steamodded 1.0.0 in my mods folder and take out the old version?

[reef solstice]

Yee

might need to reverify the steam files

1.0.0 is the main branch btw

[rotund nova]

Why did it tell me 0.9.8 was the latest release in the install wiki?

[reef solstice]

becaus e1.0.0 is pre-release-alpha

[honest siren]

ok I think my fix worked

[reef solstice]

not released yet

[honest siren]

for some reason LOVE (the game engine) doesn't like reading from my mods folder

[reef solstice]

👀

aha

[rotund nova]

Well, I can't seem to find it.

[honest siren]

I had to do a similar fix to get CustomFont working but I basically move the file to a folder it likes and then delete it

[rotund nova]

Maybe I'm just beeg dumdum.

[reef solstice]

its the main branch

[reef solstice]

weird

[rotund nova]

How do I find the main branch?

[honest siren]

here's the patched lua file

[reef solstice]

dont go anywhere, its the main branch

[reef solstice]

ill add it

[rotund nova]

I don't know what that means.

[honest siren]

shader doesn't work with modded jokers but I think you already knew that

looks sick though

[reef solstice]

Thats due to them not being in the actual atlas, for now i hardcoded the "joker" atlas

if there's a way to extract the atlas of a joker, that might fix it

lmk if you know a way and ill add it

[rotund nova]

Oh.

I really was being stoopid

And it still crashes.

[reef solstice]

You have other mods

[honest siren]

uninstall that mod

[reef solstice]

you need to remove them

they aint compatible with 1.0.0

Aight final release now (I beg)

(Still the same link:)

https://github.com/GitNether/nethers-jokers/releases/tag/blank-joker-standalone

[honest siren]

also would be cool if blank joker copied more than just scoring

[reef solstice]

Such as?

[honest siren]

ex. $ gain from mail-in rebate

or other things that blueprint can copy

[reef solstice]

it works exactly like blueprint

idk if $ works

it should

Feel free to test

[honest siren]

oh yeah I think BP is incompatible with that

[reef solstice]

^

[honest siren]

seeing double just isn't working btw

probably not because of your mod though

[reef solstice]

Cant be my mod because I literally just copied the blueprint code lol

[vale fiber]

Are you able to make a 0.9.8 version? 👉🏼👈🏼

[reef solstice]

hmmm

[reef solstice]

You're gonna have to upgrade to 1.0.0 sooner or later anyways, and downgrading from 1.0.0 (good API) to 0.9.8 (no bueno) is atrocious

I had a look at it and gave it a shot, but it's hell

1.0.0 makes our lifes so much easier already

@honest siren idk if it works for you, but the scoring stopped working for me

[honest siren]

That was happening with Seeing Double, and appears to not be caused by Blank Joker

And then some things that weren’t blueprint compatible it didn’t copy

[reef solstice]

it isnt working for me with like.. any joker it seems

Sometimes it does

Sometimes not

Lusty Joker, for example

for some reason aint scoring

I fixed it

I think it was a not needed if context.joker_main then wrap

@honest siren

I'll update the release

Might fix your issue aswell, lmk when you test it

https://github.com/GitNether/nethers-jokers/releases/tag/blank-joker-standalone

[echo shell]

Hi @reef solstice can I include this mod into my modpack?

[reef solstice]

feel free to