chrome monolith
So, I'm playing gold steak on abandoned deck, it was alright, until... I decided to use the Ouija spectral since i was playing 3oak, but I clicked too fast, and only 4 out of the 8 cards in my hand turned into 3s despite only 1 of them being a 3 while the other 7 weren't
on top of that, in the animation, all of them should've flipped regardless if they were 3 or not, but only 4 flipped, and thinking it was just a visual bug, i checked my deck, and indeed only 4 cards turned into 3s
chrome monolith
anyone able to replicate this?
serene halo
that just shouldnt be possible!?!
I have no clue how this would happen unless you did something like hit escape mid ouija
chrome monolith
I have no clue how this would happen unless you did something like hit escape mi...
all i did was open mega spectral pack, use ouija, savescum, use ouija and skip before all cards appeared, and voila, only half my hand got changed
chrome monolith
and that's how i lost a run that had a bit of potential ):
magic idol
I was able to reproduce it (with debug tools)
It turns out if you savescum, when the pack reopens, you can use Ouija before all the cards in your hand are drawn, so it doesn't modify all of them
serene halo
I couldnt reproduce, the "Use" button never turns red for me
Maybe Mathisfun_ might make a small vid to see if Im just stupid but idk
magic idol
lemme try
serene halo
oh you are awake, alright
magic idol
hmm I actually can't reproduce while savescumming
I was using debug mode to do basically a quick reload of the save when I got it to work
magic idol
wait I think I might know what it is
serene halo
another 👀 moment
magic idol
wait I got it to work
I think I figured out the timing
ok now let me get it on video
serene halo
ok
serene halo
hm ok, and the Ouija just works
magic idol
and you gotta love touchscreen abuse too
serene halo
Im using Autoclicker abuse 😢
magic idol
0.5x gamespeed moment
magic idol
yeah but we'd want to keep it vanilla
only thing I used mods for was to spawn the spectral pack, the game is unmodded in any other way
you could probably also abuse Sigil and Immolate like this
magic idol
if it thinks you only have two cards drawn it would only destroy two cards
or one card
serene halo
Oh wait yeah
magic idol
so you can basically cheese it into always destroying only your leftmost card(s)
gonna try and record one-card Immolate
serene halo
alright
magic idol
but still we just found immolate manip
looks like you can't get it to 1 card, you have to do 2
serene halo
yeah I have no clue how that just works for you
magic idol
it's some goofy timing thing
can't get it consistently
but I think like pausing right when the packs start to appear and waiting a few seconds is a good strat
or maybe not exactly then
but like at some specific range of in-game time
it's so much more consistent with the debug mode quick reload for some reason
anyway I'm going to go surprise game discussion with this now
serene halo
can Talisman tell us anything?
magic idol
this bug makes a lot more sense actually
there's a function that basically tells you if you can use a consumable or not
serene halo
so why is it telling us we can sometimes but not other times?
magic idol
just took a peek at the game code and there's a few things it checks
serene halo
oo this is valuable info
chrome monolith
so this is actually deeper than i thought, all because i wanted to do a 3oak run while gold sticker hunting
serene halo
yep
magic idol
CONTROLLER.locked is false (not sure what this is)stop_use() is the function that is called to tell the game this is happening)HAND_PLAYED, DRAW_TO_HAND, or PLAY_TAROT (i.e. during some animations)
serene halo
welcome to me and maif's world
magic idol
if anything were to break it's probably stop_use()
but I'm not here to sit and debug thunk's code so I won't go deeper
serene halo
play_tarot specifically? or is that just all consumable animations?
magic idol
all consumable animations probably
serene halo
ok, thats what I assumed
magic idol
anyway I'm going to scare game discussion with this now
serene halo
alrighty alrighty
tbh I knew basically all of that from testing around, and I assumed there was a weird timer being broken with WWII ans III so I guess that was stop()
anyways time to go to game discussion
Oh wait Maif real quick 1. does this work with inventory cards and 2. does this work with 1 selection packs
magic idol
no reason why it wouldn't
idk how you'd savescum with cards held in hand so probably not with those
serene halo
tbh I still dont know why that specific part ruins stop()
magic idol
should I post this as a separate bug report, since it's a big larger in scope now
magic idol
tbh I still dont know why that specific part ruins stop()
it's probably some small edge case
serene halo
sure, but we need a name
magic idol
Soy Manip (Soy for a homonym of SOI - Sigil/Ouija/Immolate)
magic idol
or maybe we need a dumber name
serene halo
soiM is pretty dumb bug it does make a lot of sense without the acronym
chrome monolith
i guess because you suspend the ouija from turning all the cards idk
serene halo
YES
serene halo
wait instead of random put in something with a
magic idol
serene halo
so its SUAS but the A is silent
magic idol
spectral use selection actually kinda makes sense tho
and we don't want SUAS II (or do we?)
if so call it (Spectral Use and Selection) Manip
serene halo
true
magic idol
AS -> Ante Skip surely
serene halo
XD
magic idol
tbh I'll just go with what we have now
serene halo
alright
serene halo
either way its funny
chrome monolith
a good bad idea or a straight up bad idea?
magic idol
good bad idea
serene halo
straight up bad but SUPER funny
serene halo
because thats a straight up bad idea, but it would be funny
chrome monolith
SUAS II it is then
serene halo
Yeah ig
magic idol
serene halo
Spectral Usablility Antics that are Stupid Manip
serene halo
ghost gamblit glitch is a banger but it doesnt describe the bug at all XD
chrome monolith
i think sticking with SUAS II is the best option
