#Blackjack Hands

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worldly sleet
worldly sleet
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wonder if a build around Natural is feasible

worldly sleet
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It appears i forgot to mae the mod function, ere is a working version. I think

sour fern
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incompatible with Bunco (it looks like it's because you're overwriting the same original method), leads to circular references/buffer overflow on loading. 30,000 straight entries of this cycle:

(39273) Lua upvalue 'original_game_init_object' at line 168 of mod Bunco (Bunco)
        Local variables:
         self = nil
(39274) Lua global 'init_game_object_ref' at line 3911 of mod Bunco (Bunco)
        Local variables:
         self = nil```
worldly sleet
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ah

worldly sleet
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I should probably do something about that

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Since this mod isn’t very inter by itself

wet lichen
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for flush you usually go with braindead color recognition
while for bj flush it's much harder when math is involved, and you don't have a lot of card combinations for that
so 40x4 base is rather underwhelming

worldly sleet
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I’ll do some probability analysis later

worldly sleet
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I’ll move blackjack flush above four of a kind

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But by my calculations it’s still slightly more common than blackjack house

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Some other hands also will be moved up a bit

worldly sleet
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Blackjack directly above 3 of a kind, Blackjack Three directly above Flush, Blackjack Flush directly above 4 of a kind.

dusky panther
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what about blackjack flush house

worldly sleet
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It’s already the best hand

dusky panther
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we need a 21/5 card so we can have blackjack flush five

worldly sleet
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No we do not

dusky panther
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yes we do

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fishjack hand

worldly sleet
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def should add a The Gamble joker

gilded pewter
# worldly sleet I should probably do something about that
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if i understand correctly this will help you fix compat issues like this

worldly sleet
worldly sleet
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I’ll have a new version out by about tomorrow.

worldly sleet
worldly sleet
worldly sleet
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potential "The Gamble" art

wet lichen
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noice

worldly sleet
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may make a joker to add slightly higher leniency with blackjack hands (like 22 counting as a blackjack)

wet lichen
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22 and 20

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in D&DG those are essentially the range of modifiable bust limit

worldly sleet
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i had an evil idea, The Jack (Boss Blind) all hands that sum over 21 will not score.

wet lichen
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😈

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that could be detrimental to most builds actually

worldly sleet
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hence why it's evil

wet lichen
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more suitable to be final boss than regular boss

worldly sleet
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eh

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might honestly be better as a joker with like x3 mult

wet lichen
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Blackjack hands in general are not easy to make so I assume X3 is reasonable

worldly sleet
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well 21 and under is different from exactly 21

wet lichen
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wait... is that possible in Steamodded 0.9.8

worldly sleet
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still waiting to see someone make a natural build

wet lichen
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it's underwhelming imo
relying on 2 (specific) cards instead of 1 (arbitrary), but with 1 base Mult definitely makes it a lot less viable than High Card

worldly sleet
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yup, near-imppsible to make a good builf with it

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*build

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only real way would be if you managed to level it insanely high while also surviving the process of playing it that much

wet lichen
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Blackjack deck: all blackjack hands start at lv3

worldly sleet
wet lichen
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Ik

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if a subset of hand sum is 21

worldly sleet
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yes

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or the set as a whole obviously

wet lichen
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strongest straight contains blackjack

worldly sleet
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no

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nvm

wet lichen
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uhh

worldly sleet
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yeah

wet lichen
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it has natural in it

worldly sleet
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natural doesn't count

wet lichen
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oops

worldly sleet
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pretty sure i specificed blackjack had to be 3 or more cards

wet lichen
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is it because it's too trivial to make

worldly sleet
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i wanted Natural to be a seperate hand

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i forgot why

tough jetty
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What's Natural?

worldly sleet
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Ace and 10-value card

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by themselves (or with stone cards)

wet lichen
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stone cards are guaranteed to score in a non-5-card hand so yea

worldly sleet
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only because stone cards have no rank thus don't mess with the hand sum

wet lichen
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rank 50 😈

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just joking
someone made a joker that makes stone cards count as their own rank

tough jetty
wet lichen
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I don't think the mod patches idol to work with buffed stone cards

worldly sleet
wet lichen
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yea, 3oak rank 7 is by far the easiest to make and rely on for the long run

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in vanilla Balatro, 7 is like the most hated rank because it has little to no synergy to any jokers

worldly sleet
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yay seven is useful

wet lichen
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Scholar, Face-related Jokers, Cloud 9, 8 Ball, 6th Sense, Hack

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no 7

worldly sleet
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what about 10

wet lichen
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Walkie Talkie

worldly sleet
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wow

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im glad i buffed the hand

wet lichen
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noice

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I'll definitely try it out seriously and potentially make a video out of it

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for now I'm focusing on making a localization mod

worldly sleet
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gl

tough jetty
wet lichen
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red glass is also decent

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Chad Photograph, then drag red glass King to front

worldly sleet
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maybe i should make a challenge where only Natural counts as a hand,

tough jetty
tough jetty
worldly sleet
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and the deck is just 26 aces and 26 kings

wet lichen
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ok

worldly sleet
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would be funny

wet lichen
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that's fair enough

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true

tough jetty
worldly sleet
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probs need some stone cards in there

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to make first small blind doable

tough jetty
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Or just start with Jimbo

wet lichen
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All hands debuffed except Natural
Natural starts at lv3

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or that

worldly sleet
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yeah

wet lichen
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Jimbo is decent

worldly sleet
wet lichen
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35X3 is definitely a decent start (plus guaranteed 21 from cards)

worldly sleet
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*21

wet lichen
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Ace adds 11 chips

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wait nvm

worldly sleet
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11 + 10 = 21

wet lichen
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it's 21

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I'm so dumb

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quick math failed successfully

sturdy obsidian
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Now I'm trying to figure out how one would make a 'Blackjack House'... I know that one combination would be 5s full of 3s for 15 + 6 = 21, but I don't know what other combinations there could be for it.

wet lichen
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55533 and 33366

halcyon sandal
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not a run with this mod, but I had a run with Mika's blackjack joker (x3 for 21, -0.5x per point below 21) where I was going for 3s. turns out 3s are super powerful for making blackjack houses. you can use a pair of 6s or Aces, and you can also use 3 5s

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oh wow, that was oddly relevant

worldly sleet
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AAA99 and AAA44

tough jetty
worldly sleet
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and AA333

worldly sleet
wet lichen
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I totally forgor about Ace's dynamic nature

sturdy obsidian
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Yeah, seems like Aces and 3s are the main Blackjack makers

worldly sleet
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yup

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aces are good for all blackjack hands

sturdy obsidian
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Also, have you ever thought of a 'Blackjack Flush House'?

wet lichen
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it's in there

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a secret poker hand

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base is 180X18, stronger than Fish

sturdy obsidian
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Now THAT is some spicy tuna! (Or would it be more apt to compare it to salmon for how rare it is?)

worldly sleet
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reasoning is that there are 13 combinations of ranks that get Flush Five and 5 that get Blackjack Flush House

sturdy obsidian
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Which is fully understandable

wet lichen
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Ceres gives 40 chips and 4 Mult per upgrade
Eris gives 50 chips and 3 Mult per upgrade
these changes in v1.0.1 revolves around making these poker hands scale differently, buffing your build around them in some way
while Pi still keeps the old Neptune/Ceres/Eris: 30 chips and 4 Mult
actually I have no idea what to do here

sturdy obsidian
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Huh. I just now realized that, compared to other mods, Blackjack Flush House scores the same amount as a Flush Six from the Hands of Six mod

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Either way, I really like the idea of Blackjack hands needing you do math between anywhere from two to five cards, depending on what you're working with or going for

worldly sleet
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ty

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also there's rage potential for flush/full house/flush house builds when there hand is a blackjack and they don't get their planet levels because of it.

sturdy obsidian
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XD If anything, that's more of a '...Huh. Thats a Blackjack?' moment

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I also realized some chaotic potential that can be done with this... Fibonacci (and the modded Prime Time) with a Blackjack (Flush) House focused run, with Aces and 3s

worldly sleet
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hmmm

sturdy obsidian
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If anything, now that I think about it, the numbers that typically make Blackjacks within four or five cards are almost all prime numbers.

worldly sleet
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i should make a 7 card

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like a joker that boosts 7's

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imma try and make a good update for this when i have time

sturdy obsidian
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'Hit The Slots' could be an interesting name for it, or even just the simple name of 'Jackpot'

worldly sleet
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Played 7s have a 1 in 7 chance to retrigger on scored. [Common] not the best joker but still kinda fun if paired with Oops all 6s.

sturdy obsidian
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Yeah, that could definitely be fun to mess around with, especially since one Blackjack method is just a Three of a Kind with 7s

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Hang on- is that what Blackjack Three is meant to be?

worldly sleet
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yes

sturdy obsidian
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Huh. Also, is the only way to get it three 7s?

tough jetty
sturdy obsidian
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Then I can see why Blackjack Three is only worth slightly more than Three of a Kind

worldly sleet
worldly sleet
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The Jack - hand ranks must sum 21 or less

worldly sleet
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revision: Hands whose ranks sum over 21 debuff all played cards.

worldly sleet
sturdy obsidian
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Now that just looks satisfying to see. Is it just me?

worldly sleet
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but Ty

tough jetty
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Is there a Blackjack Straight? It should probably be the best hand in the game as it requires the Shortcut joker and a 2-3-4-5-7 straight

sturdy obsidian
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Or a Shortcut + Four Fingers line of 7-6-5-3

tough jetty
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Yeah

sturdy obsidian
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Also, yeah, we don't have a Blackjack Straight. The closest we got in terms of 'highest scoring' is a Blackjack Flush House that's on-par with Hands of Six's Flush Six (180 x 18)

tough jetty
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Oh, also Blackjack Straight Flush can be a thing

sturdy obsidian
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I mean, there's also Blackjack Three, which can only be gotten with three 7s, and that's only worth 36 x 4

worldly sleet
tough jetty
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Ok :(

sturdy obsidian
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The only way to actually get a Blackjack Straight 'naturally' would be with something that lets you play six card hands, since it could enable an Ace-6 straight.

worldly sleet
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Probs gonna do the bust limit modifier joker soon

tough jetty
sturdy obsidian
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Oh, nice

worldly sleet
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Twenty One of a Kind

sturdy obsidian
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Exactly- Blackjack of a Kind

worldly sleet
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(21 of these would allow a blackjack to be played with only stone cards)

sturdy obsidian
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XD Combine that with Slate voucher (that makes Stone cards able to be played, even beyond the typical Poker hand) from the more Vouchers mod, and you can still play a genuine Blackjack while still getting a bunch of Chips

worldly sleet
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0 of clubs

worldly sleet
worldly sleet
umbral mural
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id highly suggest putting this on github

worldly sleet
hollow lynx
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I think it would be cool if it increased the range of values to be accepted as blackjacks
e.g. 21 -> [gain an AUMS joker] -> 20-22
Modifiable as nessecary but it feels inline with other hand affecting jokers like Smeared and Shortcut

worldly sleet
hollow lynx
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Ah ok

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Just wasn't clear

worldly sleet
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new Blackjack Three definition.

worldly sleet
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new joker description

worldly sleet
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All Natural challenge:

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might also ban The High Priestess

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def gonna ban all the new jokers too.

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gonna unban Ride the Bus

worldly sleet
hollow lynx
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should probably also ban The Eye (no repeat hand types, pretty much The Needle but with 2X instead of 1X req), The Mouth (Only one hand type, kinda does nothing and is just 2X blind), and The Ox (Sets money to zero, otherwise is just a 2X blind)

worldly sleet
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im still thinking about the Mouth (and The Jack, which also does nothing)

hollow lynx
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Why not The Ox tho? seems unavoidable

worldly sleet
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well that simply sucks for you if u get it

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you get 3 whole shops to use your money beforehand

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also i changed the deck

worldly sleet
mortal trail
hollow lynx
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well yeah, but I don't think playing bogus hands really should be part of the strategy of the challenge, doesn't feel like it's in the spirit of it

hollow lynx
hollow lynx
worldly sleet
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It is specifically ace card and 10/face card

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(With stone cards optionally)

worldly sleet
hollow lynx
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it's like- either it's an unavoidable hurdle (not optimizing by playing invalid hands) or tedious to play (optimizing by playing invalid hands). I don't think a boss blind should be "you lose 0 dollars".

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The reason why The Ox is challenging is because you have to build around it. You simply cannot build around it in All Natural. it's a forced hit, or it's unfun gameplay

worldly sleet
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Why does simply spending your money beforehand/ not hoarding money not account for that.

hollow lynx
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What if, hypothetically, you have a money build going? Bootstraps/The Ox can't take that hit, and it's hard to pivot a whole build in one blind

worldly sleet
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suppose I have a face card build with Paradolia, but the Plant. Suppose my build is dependent of Card Sharp but then The Eye.

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I don’t see this as a large issue, but I’ll ban The Ox

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As well as The Jack and The Mouth

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And of course I’ll replay the challenge to make sure it’s still a good experience with those changes

hollow lynx
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You can have a backup plan for Pareidolia + Plant, or Card Sharp + Eye. You cannot have a backup plan for All Natural + The Ox

worldly sleet
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uuuuuuuh

hollow lynx
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how

worldly sleet
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so, im not banning The Mouth or The Jack

worldly sleet
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Ultimate Obelisk challenge.

worldly sleet
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im thinking of making a gold stake version since thsi challenge honestly isn't that hard.

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thoughts?

wet lichen
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banning so many cards makes getting remaining cards much easier as the pool is much smaller, Ig that's the case

worldly sleet
worldly sleet
worldly sleet
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ignore all the weird MacOS stuff adds to zips

worldly sleet
worldly sleet
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I just thought, with an ace up my sleeve. Would 5 fives all the same suit be a Flush Five or Blackjack Flush House

wet lichen
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probably the latter
since we all know that stronger poker hands override weaker ones

inner peak
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Joker thought:
Creeping Vines

A Blackjack can be made with a hand containing a 9 and a 10 as well

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||This is exactly what it looks like||

obtuse tapir
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maybe blackjack 3 could be like 6663 as well?

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as in, you can have a 3oak and a blackjack in the same hand

inner peak
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Yee

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I would say "55533" but that would be a full house instead

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55542 could work instead

worldly sleet
inner peak
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So in other words it's just a three of a kind with 7s

obtuse tapir
worldly sleet
obtuse tapir
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having rank dependent hands isnt very fun

obtuse tapir
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out of the 150

worldly sleet
obtuse tapir
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in this case, 7s

worldly sleet
obtuse tapir
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thats just even rarer and unfunner to build around

worldly sleet
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The blackjack three or blackjack house?

obtuse tapir
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the blackjack house

worldly sleet
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There are 5 combos with make it

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*which

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Builds around blackjack hands tend to revolve around getting specific ranks, that’s just the nature of hands summing to 21 beyond the basic “Blackjack”

worldly sleet
ebon schooner
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does this mod work with 1.0.0? i've been wanting to really try this but i haven't been able to get to work on both

worldly sleet
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1.0.0 coming, as well as a github

worldly sleet
blazing wolf
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for 1.0.0 already?

worldly sleet
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yup

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although i forgot to test the jokers

upper pollen
worldly sleet
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not making a new hand for it though, so it would just be a Straight

jade swallow
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So what is a blackjack three? When I go to play a three card hand that's a blackjack, it just comes up as blackjack. I'm guessing blackjack three isn't that then

worldly sleet
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did you read the description of the hand?

jade swallow
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ah lol

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might be a good idea

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I'm kinda stupid sometimes

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oh I see. Yrah that makes a lot more sense

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So 7-7-7 in any case I can think of

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Wait... that's why 7s are on slot machines isn't it? Somehow I never thought of that

worldly sleet
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2 Aces up my sleeve would allow triple ace to work

jade swallow
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I think that this mods might break The PSychic. I just accidentallyy played a 4 card hand and it worked. I don't have any jokers or anything that would cause this, I don't think

worldly sleet
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hmmm

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i'll check that out

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yeah i see why

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try with newest commit

olive coral
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getting "the gamble" murders the game

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i got it in my first shop and it instantly crashed the game upon obtainemnt

worldly sleet
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k

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i'll check that out

worldly sleet
olive coral
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i already quit

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D:

worldly sleet
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well i fixed something that was probably the problem

jade swallow
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got a crash supposedly related to your mod. Was just playing a hand, not even a blackjack hand I don't think

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here's what I'm trying to do when it crashes. I do have one of your jokers. All those cards are clubs, I don't recall if any are 7s

worldly sleet
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bug fixed

tranquil gull
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i do wonder why naturals are worth so little

tranquil gull
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i guess it is a slightly better high card

jade swallow
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Not that this is probably anything you did wrong, but for some reason, the update makes a totally different mod, MoreFluff, crash the game on startup

obtuse tapir
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what is a natural

tranquil gull
obtuse tapir
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ah

mellow terrace
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@worldly sleet, saw you asking about unlocks, figured I'd share my knowledge. Here's the code I have in my joker called Decadence, it just uses the modify_jokers argument from common_events.lua under check_for_unlock, and just checks to see if Decadence exists, since there's a special condition to get it in game, and it's the only way to get it. But, it's rather simple, just check for unlock, add in an args so it knows when to check, and then if it successfully passes checks, unlock_card(self)

  check_for_unlock = function(self, args)
    if args.type == 'modify_jokers' and G.jokers then
      for k, v in pairs(G.jokers.cards) do
        if v.ability.name == "j_sins_decadence" then
          unlock_card(self)
        end
      end
    end
  end,
worldly sleet
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ty

bronze cosmos
worldly sleet
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I’m assuming this means my evaluate_poker_hand override won’t work then

bronze cosmos
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yeah

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this is all that's left of evaluate_poker_hand

worldly sleet
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Eeeh it would still probably work

bronze cosmos
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it would, but I advise against it for mod compat reasons

blazing wolf
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The mod is broken in the latest Steamodded update

worldly sleet
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bruh

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don't expect a fix too soon

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but there will be a fix

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including the planet pool thing

blazing wolf
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I will wait, but for now I need to remove the mod from my pack temporarily

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Even bunco

sterile dirge
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Could you make a version with only the regular Blackjack hand and none of the others? Idk if others share this opinion but a more simple addition may be nicer

worldly sleet
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no

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You can edit the mod yourself though

worldly sleet
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the mod should be updated now

blazing wolf
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when hovering over a planet card in collection

worldly sleet
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k

worldly sleet
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i think they removed the h_ prefix

bronze cosmos
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yep

worldly sleet
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k now it should REALLY be fixed

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nvm

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okay fixed another bug

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nvm i made another silly mistake

bronze cosmos
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damn that code looks a tad bit scuffed

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why not just have the objects in a way where you can pass them directly 😭

olive coral
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does this mod still work

worldly sleet
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Yes, it’s been updated to 1.0.0

tranquil gull
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game crashed when winning a run with most played hand being blackjack (could also be a cryptid incompat somewhere?

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was doing trance deck

lament slate
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ln 448, the unlock condition for The Gamble should read "unlock_condition = {type = 'win_no_hand', extra = 'bj_jack'}"

worldly sleet
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k

upper pollen
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Hey, I'd like to get into modding and wanted to start by adding some poker hands. Could you help me? I'm a bit new to coding.

olive coral
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i know its been a few days; but are you still purseuing this

upper pollen
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Haven't really had a chance to actually start on anything, but I would like to.

ebon lynx
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i also just wanted to add the regular blackjack

sterile dirge
lament slate
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I feel like if you're going to remove the other hands it should allow naturals to count as blackjacks

ebon lynx
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I only use the 3 card blackjack in my game because that one is a bit more restrictive so i could keep the scaling slightly below 3oak

blazing wolf
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Yeah this mod is neat, but I'll debate it's actually adding difficulty to the game