Blackjack Hands

[worldly sleet]

6 new hands based on blackjack. with planet cards to go with them. I hope I did this correctly. used some of HandofSix's code (#💻・modding-dev message)

Most Recent 0.9.8 Version: #1239338192298315796 message

1.0.0 Github:
https://github.com/Mathguy23/BlackjackHands

oops, small visual mistake fix.

[worldly sleet]

wonder if a build around Natural is feasible

[worldly sleet]

It appears i forgot to mae the mod function, ere is a working version. I think

[sour fern]

incompatible with Bunco (it looks like it's because you're overwriting the same original method), leads to circular references/buffer overflow on loading. 30,000 straight entries of this cycle:

(39273) Lua upvalue 'original_game_init_object' at line 168 of mod Bunco (Bunco)
        Local variables:
         self = nil
(39274) Lua global 'init_game_object_ref' at line 3911 of mod Bunco (Bunco)
        Local variables:
         self = nil```

[worldly sleet]

ah

[worldly sleet]

I should probably do something about that

Since this mod isn’t very inter by itself

[wet lichen]

for flush you usually go with braindead color recognition
while for bj flush it's much harder when math is involved, and you don't have a lot of card combinations for that
so 40x4 base is rather underwhelming

[worldly sleet]

I’ll do some probability analysis later

[worldly sleet]

I’ll move blackjack flush above four of a kind

But by my calculations it’s still slightly more common than blackjack house

Some other hands also will be moved up a bit

[worldly sleet]

Blackjack directly above 3 of a kind, Blackjack Three directly above Flush, Blackjack Flush directly above 4 of a kind.

[dusky panther]

what about blackjack flush house

[worldly sleet]

It’s already the best hand

[dusky panther]

we need a 21/5 card so we can have blackjack flush five

[worldly sleet]

No we do not

[dusky panther]

yes we do

fishjack hand

[worldly sleet]

def should add a The Gamble joker

[gilded pewter]

check this out https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/mixin-methods-or-how-to-modify-lua-methods-without-reducing-compatibility/36929

if i understand correctly this will help you fix compat issues like this

[worldly sleet]

balance changes.

[worldly sleet]

I’ll have a new version out by about tomorrow.

[worldly sleet]

3rd times the charm. (balance changes)

[worldly sleet]

Still works, just REALLY redundant

[worldly sleet]

potential "The Gamble" art

[wet lichen]

noice

[worldly sleet]

may make a joker to add slightly higher leniency with blackjack hands (like 22 counting as a blackjack)

[wet lichen]

22 and 20

in D&DG those are essentially the range of modifiable bust limit

[worldly sleet]

i had an evil idea, The Jack (Boss Blind) all hands that sum over 21 will not score.

[wet lichen]

😈

that could be detrimental to most builds actually

[worldly sleet]

hence why it's evil

[wet lichen]

more suitable to be final boss than regular boss

[worldly sleet]

eh

might honestly be better as a joker with like x3 mult

[wet lichen]

Blackjack hands in general are not easy to make so I assume X3 is reasonable

[worldly sleet]

well 21 and under is different from exactly 21

[wet lichen]

or... set minimum ante to 7 (for the sake of appearing in non-endless) or 9 (endless-exclusive)

wait... is that possible in Steamodded 0.9.8

[worldly sleet]

still waiting to see someone make a natural build

[wet lichen]

it's underwhelming imo
relying on 2 (specific) cards instead of 1 (arbitrary), but with 1 base Mult definitely makes it a lot less viable than High Card

[worldly sleet]

yup, near-imppsible to make a good builf with it

*build

only real way would be if you managed to level it insanely high while also surviving the process of playing it that much

[wet lichen]

Blackjack deck: all blackjack hands start at lv3

[worldly sleet]

btw contains a blackjack and is a blackjack hand mean two different things

[wet lichen]

Ik

if a subset of hand sum is 21

[worldly sleet]

yes

or the set as a whole obviously

[wet lichen]

strongest straight contains blackjack

[worldly sleet]

no

nvm

[wet lichen]

uhh

[worldly sleet]

yeah

[wet lichen]

it has natural in it

[worldly sleet]

natural doesn't count

[wet lichen]

oops

[worldly sleet]

pretty sure i specificed blackjack had to be 3 or more cards

[wet lichen]

is it because it's too trivial to make

[worldly sleet]

i wanted Natural to be a seperate hand

i forgot why

[tough jetty]

What's Natural?

[worldly sleet]

Ace and 10-value card

by themselves (or with stone cards)

[wet lichen]

stone cards are guaranteed to score in a non-5-card hand so yea

[worldly sleet]

only because stone cards have no rank thus don't mess with the hand sum

[wet lichen]

rank 50 😈

just joking
someone made a joker that makes stone cards count as their own rank

[tough jetty]

Does Idol work with them there?

[wet lichen]

I don't think the mod patches idol to work with buffed stone cards

[worldly sleet]

i feel like Blackjack Three is more feasible

[wet lichen]

yea, 3oak rank 7 is by far the easiest to make and rely on for the long run

in vanilla Balatro, 7 is like the most hated rank because it has little to no synergy to any jokers

[worldly sleet]

yay seven is useful

[wet lichen]

Scholar, Face-related Jokers, Cloud 9, 8 Ball, 6th Sense, Hack

no 7

[worldly sleet]

what about 10

[wet lichen]

Walkie Talkie

[worldly sleet]

wow

im glad i buffed the hand

[wet lichen]

noice

I'll definitely try it out seriously and potentially make a video out of it

for now I'm focusing on making a localization mod

[worldly sleet]

gl

[tough jetty]

The best one I can come up with is a bunch of red seal steal kings, 1 ace and baron/mime stuff, so high card build but worse

[wet lichen]

red glass is also decent

Chad Photograph, then drag red glass King to front

[worldly sleet]

maybe i should make a challenge where only Natural counts as a hand,

[tough jetty]

Yeah, that too

[tough jetty]

Don't you lose in ante 1?

[worldly sleet]

and the deck is just 26 aces and 26 kings

[wet lichen]

ok

[worldly sleet]

would be funny

[wet lichen]

that's fair enough

true

[tough jetty]

Yes but not beatable

[worldly sleet]

probs need some stone cards in there

to make first small blind doable

[tough jetty]

Or just start with Jimbo

[wet lichen]

All hands debuffed except Natural
Natural starts at lv3

or that

[worldly sleet]

yeah

[wet lichen]

Jimbo is decent

[worldly sleet]

this is better

[wet lichen]

35X3 is definitely a decent start (plus guaranteed 21 from cards)

[worldly sleet]

*21

[wet lichen]

Ace adds 11 chips

wait nvm

[worldly sleet]

11 + 10 = 21

[wet lichen]

it's 21

I'm so dumb

quick math failed successfully

[sturdy obsidian]

Now I'm trying to figure out how one would make a 'Blackjack House'... I know that one combination would be 5s full of 3s for 15 + 6 = 21, but I don't know what other combinations there could be for it.

[wet lichen]

55533 and 33366

[halcyon sandal]

not a run with this mod, but I had a run with Mika's blackjack joker (x3 for 21, -0.5x per point below 21) where I was going for 3s. turns out 3s are super powerful for making blackjack houses. you can use a pair of 6s or Aces, and you can also use 3 5s

oh wow, that was oddly relevant

[worldly sleet]

AAA99 and AAA44

[tough jetty]

What's 11 + 10
31

[worldly sleet]

and AA333

[worldly sleet]

your comedic timing is off.

[wet lichen]

I totally forgor about Ace's dynamic nature

[sturdy obsidian]

Yeah, seems like Aces and 3s are the main Blackjack makers

[worldly sleet]

yup

aces are good for all blackjack hands

[sturdy obsidian]

Also, have you ever thought of a 'Blackjack Flush House'?

[wet lichen]

it's in there

a secret poker hand

base is 180X18, stronger than Fish

[sturdy obsidian]

Now THAT is some spicy tuna! (Or would it be more apt to compare it to salmon for how rare it is?)

[worldly sleet]

reasoning is that there are 13 combinations of ranks that get Flush Five and 5 that get Blackjack Flush House

[sturdy obsidian]

Which is fully understandable

[wet lichen]

Ceres gives 40 chips and 4 Mult per upgrade
Eris gives 50 chips and 3 Mult per upgrade
these changes in v1.0.1 revolves around making these poker hands scale differently, buffing your build around them in some way
while Pi still keeps the old Neptune/Ceres/Eris: 30 chips and 4 Mult
actually I have no idea what to do here

[sturdy obsidian]

Huh. I just now realized that, compared to other mods, Blackjack Flush House scores the same amount as a Flush Six from the Hands of Six mod

Either way, I really like the idea of Blackjack hands needing you do math between anywhere from two to five cards, depending on what you're working with or going for

[worldly sleet]

ty

also there's rage potential for flush/full house/flush house builds when there hand is a blackjack and they don't get their planet levels because of it.

[sturdy obsidian]

XD If anything, that's more of a '...Huh. Thats a Blackjack?' moment

I also realized some chaotic potential that can be done with this... Fibonacci (and the modded Prime Time) with a Blackjack (Flush) House focused run, with Aces and 3s

[worldly sleet]

hmmm

[sturdy obsidian]

If anything, now that I think about it, the numbers that typically make Blackjacks within four or five cards are almost all prime numbers.

[worldly sleet]

i should make a 7 card

like a joker that boosts 7's

imma try and make a good update for this when i have time

[sturdy obsidian]

'Hit The Slots' could be an interesting name for it, or even just the simple name of 'Jackpot'

[worldly sleet]

Played 7s have a 1 in 7 chance to retrigger on scored. [Common] not the best joker but still kinda fun if paired with Oops all 6s.

[sturdy obsidian]

Yeah, that could definitely be fun to mess around with, especially since one Blackjack method is just a Three of a Kind with 7s

Hang on- is that what Blackjack Three is meant to be?

[worldly sleet]

yes

[sturdy obsidian]

Huh. Also, is the only way to get it three 7s?

[tough jetty]

As I remember, 21 can be equal to 3*n only if n = 7

[sturdy obsidian]

Then I can see why Blackjack Three is only worth slightly more than Three of a Kind

[worldly sleet]

Read the hand description.

[worldly sleet]

The Jack - hand ranks must sum 21 or less

[worldly sleet]

revision: Hands whose ranks sum over 21 debuff all played cards.

[worldly sleet]

video

[sturdy obsidian]

Now that just looks satisfying to see. Is it just me?

[worldly sleet]

Your opinion may be different if you have a straight build.

but Ty

[tough jetty]

Is there a Blackjack Straight? It should probably be the best hand in the game as it requires the Shortcut joker and a 2-3-4-5-7 straight

[sturdy obsidian]

Or a Shortcut + Four Fingers line of 7-6-5-3

[tough jetty]

Yeah

[sturdy obsidian]

Also, yeah, we don't have a Blackjack Straight. The closest we got in terms of 'highest scoring' is a Blackjack Flush House that's on-par with Hands of Six's Flush Six (180 x 18)

[tough jetty]

Oh, also Blackjack Straight Flush can be a thing

[sturdy obsidian]

I mean, there's also Blackjack Three, which can only be gotten with three 7s, and that's only worth 36 x 4

[worldly sleet]

I’m not counting hands that would require a joker

[tough jetty]

Ok :(

[sturdy obsidian]

The only way to actually get a Blackjack Straight 'naturally' would be with something that lets you play six card hands, since it could enable an Ace-6 straight.

[worldly sleet]

Probs gonna do the bust limit modifier joker soon

[tough jetty]

There's a deck in Cryprid that allows you to select as many cards in your hand as you want

[sturdy obsidian]

Oh, nice

[worldly sleet]

Twenty One of a Kind

[sturdy obsidian]

Exactly- Blackjack of a Kind

[worldly sleet]

Ace up my sleeve - Add 1 to the sum of ranks of each hand.

(21 of these would allow a blackjack to be played with only stone cards)

[sturdy obsidian]

XD Combine that with Slate voucher (that makes Stone cards able to be played, even beyond the typical Poker hand) from the more Vouchers mod, and you can still play a genuine Blackjack while still getting a bunch of Chips

[worldly sleet]

0 of clubs

[worldly sleet]

might be better to remove one honestly

[umbral mural]

id highly suggest putting this on github

[worldly sleet]

maybe

[hollow lynx]

I think it would be cool if it increased the range of values to be accepted as blackjacks
e.g. 21 -> [gain an AUMS joker] -> 20-22
Modifiable as nessecary but it feels inline with other hand affecting jokers like Smeared and Shortcut

[worldly sleet]

That would be the 5th option in the poll

[hollow lynx]

Ah ok

Just wasn't clear

[worldly sleet]

well, that settles it.

new Blackjack Three definition.

[worldly sleet]

new joker description

[worldly sleet]

All Natural challenge:

might also ban The High Priestess

def gonna ban all the new jokers too.

gonna unban Ride the Bus

[worldly sleet]

im considering adding Green stake to this.

[hollow lynx]

should probably also ban The Eye (no repeat hand types, pretty much The Needle but with 2X instead of 1X req), The Mouth (Only one hand type, kinda does nothing and is just 2X blind), and The Ox (Sets money to zero, otherwise is just a 2X blind)

[worldly sleet]

i am banning The Eye

im still thinking about the Mouth (and The Jack, which also does nothing)

[hollow lynx]

Why not The Ox tho? seems unavoidable

[worldly sleet]

well that simply sucks for you if u get it

you get 3 whole shops to use your money beforehand

also i changed the deck

[worldly sleet]

And technically you can still play hands other than Natural they just don’t score, so you could throw away hands to throw off the Ox

[mortal trail]

what's natural?

[hollow lynx]

well yeah, but I don't think playing bogus hands really should be part of the strategy of the challenge, doesn't feel like it's in the spirit of it

[hollow lynx]

Ace card + any face or 10 card (or, two cards that add to 21)

[hollow lynx]

Like, the whole point of the challenge is that you can only play one ace and one face/10 per hand, so having to compensate for The Ox by playing e.g. a high card every round, feels unintended

[worldly sleet]

No it doesn’t matter if the cards add to 21

It is specifically ace card and 10/face card

(With stone cards optionally)

[worldly sleet]

It’s not really a strategy, but the Ox can be prepared for by spending your money beforehand so. I don’t see too much of an issue

[hollow lynx]

it's like- either it's an unavoidable hurdle (not optimizing by playing invalid hands) or tedious to play (optimizing by playing invalid hands). I don't think a boss blind should be "you lose 0 dollars".

The reason why The Ox is challenging is because you have to build around it. You simply cannot build around it in All Natural. it's a forced hit, or it's unfun gameplay

[worldly sleet]

Why does simply spending your money beforehand/ not hoarding money not account for that.

[hollow lynx]

What if, hypothetically, you have a money build going? Bootstraps/The Ox can't take that hit, and it's hard to pivot a whole build in one blind

[worldly sleet]

suppose I have a face card build with Paradolia, but the Plant. Suppose my build is dependent of Card Sharp but then The Eye.

I don’t see this as a large issue, but I’ll ban The Ox

As well as The Jack and The Mouth

And of course I’ll replay the challenge to make sure it’s still a good experience with those changes

[hollow lynx]

For those kinds of builds, you know in advance and can decide to take the risk anyways, or not take the risk and pivot.
All Natural kinda forces you into wasting hands or potentially dealing with losing all your money out of RNG

You can have a backup plan for Pareidolia + Plant, or Card Sharp + Eye. You cannot have a backup plan for All Natural + The Ox

[worldly sleet]

uuuuuuuh

[hollow lynx]

how

[worldly sleet]

so, im not banning The Mouth or The Jack

[worldly sleet]

Ultimate Obelisk challenge.

[worldly sleet]

im thinking of making a gold stake version since thsi challenge honestly isn't that hard.

thoughts?

[wet lichen]

banning so many cards makes getting remaining cards much easier as the pool is much smaller, Ig that's the case

[worldly sleet]

yeah, im adding gold stake All Natural

[worldly sleet]

might add gold stake ultimate obelisk just for consistency

[worldly sleet]

nvm I can't beat it. ill still leave it commented in the code tho incase someone is insane enough to try it

newest version, hopefully github coming soon.

ignore all the weird MacOS stuff adds to zips

[worldly sleet]

minor error fix

[worldly sleet]

I just thought, with an ace up my sleeve. Would 5 fives all the same suit be a Flush Five or Blackjack Flush House

[wet lichen]

probably the latter
since we all know that stronger poker hands override weaker ones

[inner peak]

Joker thought:
Creeping Vines

A Blackjack can be made with a hand containing a 9 and a 10 as well

||This is exactly what it looks like||

[obtuse tapir]

maybe blackjack 3 could be like 6663 as well?

as in, you can have a 3oak and a blackjack in the same hand

[inner peak]

Yee

I would say "55533" but that would be a full house instead

55542 could work instead

[worldly sleet]

No Blackjack Three is three of a kind and blackjack with the same cards

[inner peak]

So in other words it's just a three of a kind with 7s

[obtuse tapir]

thats too limiting to make it a hand tho

[worldly sleet]

Well technically with multiple Aces up my sleeve it can be other ranks

[obtuse tapir]

having rank dependent hands isnt very fun

[obtuse tapir]

but thats a specific joker

out of the 150

[worldly sleet]

That’s literally the whole mod

[obtuse tapir]

i meant specific ranks

in this case, 7s

[worldly sleet]

Blackjack house

[obtuse tapir]

thats just even rarer and unfunner to build around

[worldly sleet]

The blackjack three or blackjack house?

[obtuse tapir]

the blackjack house

[worldly sleet]

There are 5 combos with make it

*which

Builds around blackjack hands tend to revolve around getting specific ranks, that’s just the nature of hands summing to 21 beyond the basic “Blackjack”

[worldly sleet]

That’s seems like it trivializes blackjacks if they only require a 9 and 10.

[ebon schooner]

does this mod work with 1.0.0? i've been wanting to really try this but i haven't been able to get to work on both

[worldly sleet]

Probably not

[worldly sleet]

1.0.0 coming, as well as a github

[worldly sleet]

https://github.com/Mathguy23/BlackjackHands probably works

[blazing wolf]

for 1.0.0 already?

[worldly sleet]

yup

although i forgot to test the jokers

[upper pollen]

Hmm, this could make a Straight Blackjack possible (2+3+4+5+6=20)

[worldly sleet]

not making a new hand for it though, so it would just be a Straight

[jade swallow]

So what is a blackjack three? When I go to play a three card hand that's a blackjack, it just comes up as blackjack. I'm guessing blackjack three isn't that then

[worldly sleet]

did you read the description of the hand?

[jade swallow]

ah lol

might be a good idea

I'm kinda stupid sometimes

oh I see. Yrah that makes a lot more sense

So 7-7-7 in any case I can think of

Wait... that's why 7s are on slot machines isn't it? Somehow I never thought of that

[worldly sleet]

2 Aces up my sleeve would allow triple ace to work

[jade swallow]

I think that this mods might break The PSychic. I just accidentallyy played a 4 card hand and it worked. I don't have any jokers or anything that would cause this, I don't think

[worldly sleet]

hmmm

i'll check that out

yeah i see why

try with newest commit

[olive coral]

getting "the gamble" murders the game

i got it in my first shop and it instantly crashed the game upon obtainemnt

[worldly sleet]

k

i'll check that out

[worldly sleet]

can you send the error that showed up?

[olive coral]

sorry i didnt see your reply

i already quit

D:

[worldly sleet]

well i fixed something that was probably the problem

[jade swallow]

got a crash supposedly related to your mod. Was just playing a hand, not even a blackjack hand I don't think

here's what I'm trying to do when it crashes. I do have one of your jokers. All those cards are clubs, I don't recall if any are 7s

[worldly sleet]

bug fixed

[tranquil gull]

i do wonder why naturals are worth so little

[tranquil gull]

i guess it is a slightly better high card

[jade swallow]

Not that this is probably anything you did wrong, but for some reason, the update makes a totally different mod, MoreFluff, crash the game on startup

[obtuse tapir]

what is a natural

[tranquil gull]

ace + 10/face card

[obtuse tapir]

ah

[mellow terrace]

@worldly sleet, saw you asking about unlocks, figured I'd share my knowledge. Here's the code I have in my joker called Decadence, it just uses the modify_jokers argument from common_events.lua under check_for_unlock, and just checks to see if Decadence exists, since there's a special condition to get it in game, and it's the only way to get it. But, it's rather simple, just check for unlock, add in an args so it knows when to check, and then if it successfully passes checks, unlock_card(self)

  check_for_unlock = function(self, args)
    if args.type == 'modify_jokers' and G.jokers then
      for k, v in pairs(G.jokers.cards) do
        if v.ability.name == "j_sins_decadence" then
          unlock_card(self)
        end
      end
    end
  end,

[worldly sleet]

ty

[bronze cosmos]

@worldly sleet quick alert about this breaking change affecting poker hands, I should be merging it soon https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/pull/217

[worldly sleet]

I’m assuming this means my evaluate_poker_hand override won’t work then

[bronze cosmos]

yeah

this is all that's left of evaluate_poker_hand

[worldly sleet]

Eeeh it would still probably work

[bronze cosmos]

it would, but I advise against it for mod compat reasons

[blazing wolf]

The mod is broken in the latest Steamodded update

[worldly sleet]

bruh

don't expect a fix too soon

but there will be a fix

including the planet pool thing

[blazing wolf]

I will wait, but for now I need to remove the mod from my pack temporarily

Even bunco

[sterile dirge]

Could you make a version with only the regular Blackjack hand and none of the others? Idk if others share this opinion but a more simple addition may be nicer

[worldly sleet]

no

You can edit the mod yourself though

[worldly sleet]

the mod should be updated now

[blazing wolf]

crashed again

when hovering over a planet card in collection

[worldly sleet]

k

[worldly sleet]

i think they removed the h_ prefix

[bronze cosmos]

yep

[worldly sleet]

k now it should REALLY be fixed

nvm

okay fixed another bug

nvm i made another silly mistake

[bronze cosmos]

damn that code looks a tad bit scuffed

why not just have the objects in a way where you can pass them directly 😭

[olive coral]

does this mod still work

[worldly sleet]

Yes, it’s been updated to 1.0.0

[tranquil gull]

game crashed when winning a run with most played hand being blackjack (could also be a cryptid incompat somewhere?

was doing trance deck

[lament slate]

ln 448, the unlock condition for The Gamble should read "unlock_condition = {type = 'win_no_hand', extra = 'bj_jack'}"

[worldly sleet]

k

[upper pollen]

Hey, I'd like to get into modding and wanted to start by adding some poker hands. Could you help me? I'm a bit new to coding.

[olive coral]

hey uh

i know its been a few days; but are you still purseuing this

[upper pollen]

Haven't really had a chance to actually start on anything, but I would like to.

[ebon lynx]

I have this if you want it

i also just wanted to add the regular blackjack

[sterile dirge]

Oo yeah that would be nice

[lament slate]

I feel like if you're going to remove the other hands it should allow naturals to count as blackjacks

[ebon lynx]

I considered that but theres a bit of a balance problem with hands ranging from 2-5 cards being able to become a BJ, theyre a bit too easy to make already for the default mult and chips they give

I only use the 3 card blackjack in my game because that one is a bit more restrictive so i could keep the scaling slightly below 3oak

[blazing wolf]

Yeah this mod is neat, but I'll debate it's actually adding difficulty to the game